Comments on: The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Whoville http://crookedtimber.org/2006/12/17/the-protocols-of-the-learned-elders-of-whoville/ Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made Mon, 22 Mar 2010 00:58:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Pie and Coffee » Items http://crookedtimber.org/2006/12/17/the-protocols-of-the-learned-elders-of-whoville/comment-page-1/#comment-182533 Pie and Coffee » Items Fri, 22 Dec 2006 18:21:12 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/12/17/the-protocols-of-the-learned-elders-of-whoville/#comment-182533 [...] Crooked Timber: I really like this group blog. Watch as Scott McLemee discovers the phrase “self-hating antisemite.” [...] [...] Crooked Timber: I really like this group blog. Watch as Scott McLemee discovers the phrase “self-hating antisemite.” [...]

]]> By: Karen http://crookedtimber.org/2006/12/17/the-protocols-of-the-learned-elders-of-whoville/comment-page-1/#comment-182321 Karen Tue, 19 Dec 2006 11:47:41 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/12/17/the-protocols-of-the-learned-elders-of-whoville/#comment-182321 The term "self-hating anti-Semite" just serves as another example of the vicious War on Words being carried out in this country. Such attacks fall into various categories. This one is of the type: Adding a word or affix that's already part of the meaning of the original word just to show the fancy-pants word that it's not all that! Other popular examples of this type of assault include: He had a poor <b>self-image</b> of <i>himself</i>, Now let's all exhale <i>out</i> the air (never used that Yoga tape again!), and Please write the <b>definition</b> of <i>what</i> each word <i>means</i> (found on an English test.) I mean, this <i>literally</i> angers me! The term “self-hating anti-Semite” just serves as another example of the vicious War on Words being carried out in this country.

Such attacks fall into various categories. This one is of the type: Adding a word or affix that’s already part of the meaning of the original word just to show the fancy-pants word that it’s not all that!

Other popular examples of this type of assault include: He had a poor self-image of himself, Now let’s all exhale out the air (never used that Yoga tape again!), and Please write the definition of what each word means (found on an English test.)

I mean, this literally angers me!

]]> By: Shelby http://crookedtimber.org/2006/12/17/the-protocols-of-the-learned-elders-of-whoville/comment-page-1/#comment-182305 Shelby Tue, 19 Dec 2006 01:11:03 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/12/17/the-protocols-of-the-learned-elders-of-whoville/#comment-182305 I don't care what's in it for him, just what's in it for me. They seem roughly equivalent in terms of idiocy, annoyance and capability of polluting mental space. I don’t care what’s in it for him, just what’s in it for me. They seem roughly equivalent in terms of idiocy, annoyance and capability of polluting mental space.

]]> By: marcel http://crookedtimber.org/2006/12/17/the-protocols-of-the-learned-elders-of-whoville/comment-page-1/#comment-182282 marcel Mon, 18 Dec 2006 21:17:51 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/12/17/the-protocols-of-the-learned-elders-of-whoville/#comment-182282 Shelby (15): sounds kind of cruel to Glenn Greenwald. What's in it for him? Shelby (15): sounds kind of cruel to Glenn Greenwald. What’s in it for him?

]]> By: Shelby http://crookedtimber.org/2006/12/17/the-protocols-of-the-learned-elders-of-whoville/comment-page-1/#comment-182277 Shelby Mon, 18 Dec 2006 20:35:25 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/12/17/the-protocols-of-the-learned-elders-of-whoville/#comment-182277 Is there any way we can lock Prelutsky in a room with Glenn Greenwald? For, say, a few months? Is there any way we can lock Prelutsky in a room with Glenn Greenwald? For, say, a few months?

]]> By: bi http://crookedtimber.org/2006/12/17/the-protocols-of-the-learned-elders-of-whoville/comment-page-1/#comment-182273 bi Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:42:30 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/12/17/the-protocols-of-the-learned-elders-of-whoville/#comment-182273 SF: Doesn't Prelutsky himself agree to the "self-hating anti-Semite" label? And I like this: <em>What I found most telling was that those who damned me didn't, as a rule, refute what I had written [...]</em> Hmm... "as a rule". Since most people don't refute my arguments, that means we can just ignore those who actually do refute them. Suddenly, being an intellectual is so easy. SF:

Doesn’t Prelutsky himself agree to the “self-hating anti-Semite” label?

And I like this:

What I found most telling was that those who damned me didn’t, as a rule, refute what I had written [...]

Hmm… “as a rule”. Since most people don’t refute my arguments, that means we can just ignore those who actually do refute them. Suddenly, being an intellectual is so easy.

]]> By: Grand Moff Texan http://crookedtimber.org/2006/12/17/the-protocols-of-the-learned-elders-of-whoville/comment-page-1/#comment-182265 Grand Moff Texan Mon, 18 Dec 2006 17:27:33 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/12/17/the-protocols-of-the-learned-elders-of-whoville/#comment-182265 <i>(spelling and robust comma usage all sic)</i> Actually, it's a code. If you take all the spellng errors and the letter following each comma, it spells "NEED HOT GAY SEX." Can't you people recognize a cry for help when you see one? . (spelling and robust comma usage all sic)

Actually, it’s a code. If you take all the spellng errors and the letter following each comma, it spells “NEED HOT GAY SEX.” Can’t you people recognize a cry for help when you see one?
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]]> By: Barry Solow http://crookedtimber.org/2006/12/17/the-protocols-of-the-learned-elders-of-whoville/comment-page-1/#comment-182257 Barry Solow Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:33:48 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/12/17/the-protocols-of-the-learned-elders-of-whoville/#comment-182257 I don't think you people are being entirely fair. There was a Conservative temple just a couple of blocks from where I lived growing up and many of the Conservatives were quite intellectual. Broad-minded, too. The guys who went to the Ultrua-Orthodox temple a few blocks further down, on the other hand... I don’t think you people are being entirely fair. There was a Conservative temple just a couple of blocks from where I lived growing up and many of the Conservatives were quite intellectual. Broad-minded, too. The guys who went to the Ultrua-Orthodox temple a few blocks further down, on the other hand…

]]> By: The Modesto Kid http://crookedtimber.org/2006/12/17/the-protocols-of-the-learned-elders-of-whoville/comment-page-1/#comment-182255 The Modesto Kid Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:59:24 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/12/17/the-protocols-of-the-learned-elders-of-whoville/#comment-182255 Note that he has not one but <em>two</em> books both titled "Conservatives are from somewhere, Liberals are from somewhere else and are probably faggots", but with different subtitles. Note that he has not one but two books both titled “Conservatives are from somewhere, Liberals are from somewhere else and are probably faggots”, but with different subtitles.

]]> By: Rich B. http://crookedtimber.org/2006/12/17/the-protocols-of-the-learned-elders-of-whoville/comment-page-1/#comment-182251 Rich B. Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:22:18 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/12/17/the-protocols-of-the-learned-elders-of-whoville/#comment-182251 I had always heard "self-hating Jew" (prominently, in Arthur Miller's "Broken Glass"), not "self-hating anti-Semite", which doesn't actually get to the meaning you would want to. There's a joke somewhere about someone who converted from "anti-Semite" to "self-hating Jew", usually told immediately before the one about transitioning from heterosexual male to lesbian. I had always heard “self-hating Jew” (prominently, in Arthur Miller’s “Broken Glass”), not “self-hating anti-Semite”, which doesn’t actually get to the meaning you would want to.

There’s a joke somewhere about someone who converted from “anti-Semite” to “self-hating Jew”, usually told immediately before the one about transitioning from heterosexual male to lesbian.

]]> By: Down and Out in Sài Gòn http://crookedtimber.org/2006/12/17/the-protocols-of-the-learned-elders-of-whoville/comment-page-1/#comment-182241 Down and Out in Sài Gòn Mon, 18 Dec 2006 06:55:52 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/12/17/the-protocols-of-the-learned-elders-of-whoville/#comment-182241 So this post's not about power-strumming? Damn. Just a teenage wasteland. So this post’s not about power-strumming? Damn. Just a teenage wasteland.

]]> By: bi http://crookedtimber.org/2006/12/17/the-protocols-of-the-learned-elders-of-whoville/comment-page-1/#comment-182232 bi Mon, 18 Dec 2006 04:17:13 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/12/17/the-protocols-of-the-learned-elders-of-whoville/#comment-182232 "pretensions of intellectualism...and the willingness to slap the label on themselves." w00t, another bit of contrarianism. Don't conservatives hate intellectuals? “pretensions of intellectualism…and the willingness to slap the label on themselves.”

w00t, another bit of contrarianism. Don’t conservatives hate intellectuals?

]]> By: Russell Arben Fox http://crookedtimber.org/2006/12/17/the-protocols-of-the-learned-elders-of-whoville/comment-page-1/#comment-182217 Russell Arben Fox Sun, 17 Dec 2006 22:38:24 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/12/17/the-protocols-of-the-learned-elders-of-whoville/#comment-182217 <i>...including the accusation that he is a "self-hating antisemite." I am glad to have discovered the blog, if only for that particular turn of phrase, which is wonderful.</i> You've really never heard "self-hating antisemite" before, Scott? Maybe I'm misremembering, but I swear that Woody Allen once had a whole routine (written up in one of his early books, maybe?) about that label, particularly as it supposedly applied to himself. …including the accusation that he is a “self-hating antisemite.” I am glad to have discovered the blog, if only for that particular turn of phrase, which is wonderful.

You’ve really never heard “self-hating antisemite” before, Scott? Maybe I’m misremembering, but I swear that Woody Allen once had a whole routine (written up in one of his early books, maybe?) about that label, particularly as it supposedly applied to himself.

]]> By: mtraven http://crookedtimber.org/2006/12/17/the-protocols-of-the-learned-elders-of-whoville/comment-page-1/#comment-182216 mtraven Sun, 17 Dec 2006 22:37:49 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/12/17/the-protocols-of-the-learned-elders-of-whoville/#comment-182216 Wow, that site is a treasure trove of fun. The only thing more laughable than your standard-issue mouthbreather conservative is a conservative with pretensions of intellectualism...and the willingness to slap the label on themselves. More self-hating antisemitism can be found <a href="http://www.saneworks.us/The-Disease-of-ScienceDemocracy-and-its-Diagnosis-article-290-37.htm" rel="nofollow">here...this is by one David Yerushalmi</a>, who is very concerned that the white Christians are getting a raw deal: <blockquote> America of the 21st Century is now fully controlled by the Elites. Whether the professorate at the universities inculcating our youth with the “scientific” version of what they have learned in the MTV culture, or the ACLU-MoveOn.org organizations hyper-financed by the Open Society billionaires like George Soros, or even the “conservative” Republican politicians and media talking heads who disdain the “religious fanaticism” of the Christian right, religious conservatives are on the run everywhere. For the conservative Christian, politics have become an insane game of voting to stay one step ahead of the “democratic” mobs looking figuratively to lynch the last white Christian American who dares sneak outside his home in a timid effort to lay claim to some small corner of the civic domain. </blockquote> Wow, that site is a treasure trove of fun. The only thing more laughable than your standard-issue mouthbreather conservative is a conservative with pretensions of intellectualism…and the willingness to slap the label on themselves.

More self-hating antisemitism can be found here…this is by one David Yerushalmi, who is very concerned that the white Christians are getting a raw deal:


America of the 21st Century is now fully controlled by the Elites. Whether the professorate at the universities inculcating our youth with the “scientific” version of what they have learned in the MTV culture, or the ACLU-MoveOn.org organizations hyper-financed by the Open Society billionaires like George Soros, or even the “conservative” Republican politicians and media talking heads who disdain the “religious fanaticism” of the Christian right, religious conservatives are on the run everywhere. For the conservative Christian, politics have become an insane game of voting to stay one step ahead of the “democratic” mobs looking figuratively to lynch the last white Christian American who dares sneak outside his home in a timid effort to lay claim to some small corner of the civic domain.

]]> By: marcel http://crookedtimber.org/2006/12/17/the-protocols-of-the-learned-elders-of-whoville/comment-page-1/#comment-182215 marcel Sun, 17 Dec 2006 22:37:07 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/12/17/the-protocols-of-the-learned-elders-of-whoville/#comment-182215 Paul asked "<i>Has there always been a jewish equivalent of the token black reactionaries who make their careers by opposing affirmative action, or is this a new market niche?</i>" St. Paul is probably the archetype. Johannes Pfefferkorn is a 16th century instantiation, and in the last 20 or so years, at least one American Nazi leader, and one other, more generic right wing racist (anti-black, anti-semitic, pro-white) leader had at least 1 Jewish parent. So I think the answer is "always". Paul asked “Has there always been a jewish equivalent of the token black reactionaries who make their careers by opposing affirmative action, or is this a new market niche?”

St. Paul is probably the archetype. Johannes Pfefferkorn is a 16th century instantiation, and in the last 20 or so years, at least one American Nazi leader, and one other, more generic right wing racist (anti-black, anti-semitic, pro-white) leader had at least 1 Jewish parent. So I think the answer is “always”.

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