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		<title>By: Jacob Christensen</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/09/paging-all-mac-nerds/comment-page-1/#comment-183835</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob Christensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 12:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@tim mcg:

I actually think that His Steveness made the same argument some years ago (but searching for &lt;em&gt;&quot;Steve Jobs&quot; iPod phone&lt;/em&gt; right now will yield 3 billion hits).

One thing which Microsoft - at least in theory - got right with the Zune player is that music (and games and video) also has a social element - you create a sense of community by sharing music or videos or games with your friends. In this way music becomes a means to reach a social goal.

This probably also plays a certain role in filesharing and copying.

So what the iPhone/ApplePhone ought to have is the ability to phone one of your friends who owns a similar device and play something from your music collection on her/his gizmo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>@tim mcg:</p>

	<p>I actually think that His Steveness made the same argument some years ago (but searching for <em>&#8220;Steve Jobs&#8221; iPod phone</em> right now will yield 3 billion hits).</p>

	<p>One thing which Microsoft &#8211; at least in theory &#8211; got right with the Zune player is that music (and games and video) also has a social element &#8211; you create a sense of community by sharing music or videos or games with your friends. In this way music becomes a means to reach a social goal.</p>

	<p>This probably also plays a certain role in filesharing and copying.</p>

	<p>So what the iPhone/ApplePhone ought to have is the ability to phone one of your friends who owns a similar device and play something from your music collection on her/his gizmo.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim McG</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/09/paging-all-mac-nerds/comment-page-1/#comment-183755</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim McG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 17:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Further thinking, and a real invitation to response from the sociology-types:

This thing strikes me as a really bad (i.e. useless) idea and I&#039;ve been pondering why for a while, and I think I&#039;ve come up with it. Yes, it combines two devices, but you have to consider the social position of those two things before thinking about whether or not people will use them in combination. 

Let&#039;s start with a phone. It lies as an intermediary between two people; it connects distant people (in a relation of equality). An iPod gives one user access to his music. With headphones, the iPod is about shutting out the world, distracting you from a mundane task, entertaining the listener (individually). Hooked up to speakers, it&#039;s about providing music for people who are physically together to enjoy something (and in all cases it&#039;s a one-way medium). 

The only possible way that an iPod and a cellphone occupy the same social space is if people think of their friends as entertainment. Maybe that&#039;s the case; maybe people won&#039;t think it odd to talk back to their iPod, or perhaps simple convenience will bridge the gap (but the UI has be damn-near perfect). 

The market can decide whether it&#039;s useful for someone, but I&#039;m going to continue my search for a phone that I can dial with gloves on (no other functionality needed).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Further thinking, and a real invitation to response from the sociology-types:</p>

	<p>This thing strikes me as a really bad (i.e. useless) idea and I&#8217;ve been pondering why for a while, and I think I&#8217;ve come up with it. Yes, it combines two devices, but you have to consider the social position of those two things before thinking about whether or not people will use them in combination.</p>

	<p>Let&#8217;s start with a phone. It lies as an intermediary between two people; it connects distant people (in a relation of equality). An iPod gives one user access to his music. With headphones, the iPod is about shutting out the world, distracting you from a mundane task, entertaining the listener (individually). Hooked up to speakers, it&#8217;s about providing music for people who are physically together to enjoy something (and in all cases it&#8217;s a one-way medium).</p>

	<p>The only possible way that an iPod and a cellphone occupy the same social space is if people think of their friends as entertainment. Maybe that&#8217;s the case; maybe people won&#8217;t think it odd to talk back to their iPod, or perhaps simple convenience will bridge the gap (but the UI has be damn-near perfect).</p>

	<p>The market can decide whether it&#8217;s useful for someone, but I&#8217;m going to continue my search for a phone that I can dial with gloves on (no other functionality needed).</p>
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		<title>By: gray</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/09/paging-all-mac-nerds/comment-page-1/#comment-183754</link>
		<dc:creator>gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 17:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apple truisms.

It will be expensive
It will be closed off from the mainstream of similar devices in some maddening way
It will  be underpowered or &quot;underspeced&quot;  in some maddening way
It won&#039;t work quite as well as  Steve said ( the RDF)
It will still be better designed and easier to use than similar devices in the  same field.

I&#039;m gray and I&#039;ve been a mac fanboy for 20 years. Owner for 16.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Apple truisms.</p>

	<p>It will be expensive<br />
It will be closed off from the mainstream of similar devices in some maddening way<br />
It will  be underpowered or &#8220;underspeced&#8221;  in some maddening way<br />
It won&#8217;t work quite as well as  Steve said ( the <span class="caps">RDF</span>)<br />
It will still be better designed and easier to use than similar devices in the  same field.</p>

	<p>I&#8217;m gray and I&#8217;ve been a mac fanboy for 20 years. Owner for 16.</p>
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		<title>By: I.G.I.</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/09/paging-all-mac-nerds/comment-page-1/#comment-183669</link>
		<dc:creator>I.G.I.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 23:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A major difference between Apple and the big European mobile phone manufacturers is the handling of the warranty service. Apple handle the service in every European country; in unlikely case of an unresolved complain one can contact Apple Europe in Ireland, or in the US for that matter. Not so with Nokia for instance - they use unrelated to the company service subcontractors that simply carry the Nokia logo. A customer cannot even contact Nokia. In the upper market segment of handhelds that should make a difference.

I never had an issue with my Mac or with the service and support in 5 European countries. With a Nokia 9210i the service under warrany turned out as 8 months agony, in 4 Nokia authorised service centers, both in the UK and Germany. 

For that reason alone I may shell out 500 Euros for an iPhone but never again for device of this sophistication made by the traditional phone manufacturers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>A major difference between Apple and the big European mobile phone manufacturers is the handling of the warranty service. Apple handle the service in every European country; in unlikely case of an unresolved complain one can contact Apple Europe in Ireland, or in the US for that matter. Not so with Nokia for instance &#8211; they use unrelated to the company service subcontractors that simply carry the Nokia logo. A customer cannot even contact Nokia. In the upper market segment of handhelds that should make a difference.</p>

	<p>I never had an issue with my Mac or with the service and support in 5 European countries. With a Nokia 9210i the service under warrany turned out as 8 months agony, in 4 Nokia authorised service centers, both in the UK and Germany.</p>

	<p>For that reason alone I may shell out 500 Euros for an iPhone but never again for device of this sophistication made by the traditional phone manufacturers.</p>
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		<title>By: Gdr</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/09/paging-all-mac-nerds/comment-page-1/#comment-183660</link>
		<dc:creator>Gdr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;You still have to overcome the fact that with this device, you are going to have to type with one hand, because the other hand will be needed to hold it&lt;/i&gt;

Surely people will hold it with two hands and use their thumbs to type, like other mobile phones?

&lt;i&gt;it’s a Macintosh handheld computer&lt;/i&gt;

According to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.macintouch.com/specialreports/sf2007/norr.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Macintouch&lt;/a&gt; it&#039;s going to be a closed platform, so you won&#039;t be able to run your own applications. If that&#039;s right, then it&#039;s not a handheld Mac, but a piece of consumer electronics running some of the same software as a Mac.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>You still have to overcome the fact that with this device, you are going to have to type with one hand, because the other hand will be needed to hold it</i></p>

	<p>Surely people will hold it with two hands and use their thumbs to type, like other mobile phones?</p>

	<p><i>it&#8217;s a Macintosh handheld computer</i></p>

	<p>According to <a href="http://www.macintouch.com/specialreports/sf2007/norr.html" rel="nofollow">Macintouch</a> it&#8217;s going to be a closed platform, so you won&#8217;t be able to run your own applications. If that&#8217;s right, then it&#8217;s not a handheld Mac, but a piece of consumer electronics running some of the same software as a Mac.</p>
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		<title>By: Wax Banks</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/09/paging-all-mac-nerds/comment-page-1/#comment-183642</link>
		<dc:creator>Wax Banks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems like only Eszter&#039;s asking questions about the device that go to its real identity. It&#039;s not a phone, people: it&#039;s a Macintosh handheld computer with rich telephony and iPod-style music features. Every one of these that sells puts OSX into the hands of a consumer who *probably* doesn&#039;t own a Mac. That&#039;s the real impact of the iPhone - it changes categories of consumer electronic devices.

Me wants one.

As to Eszter&#039;s question: I think you have your description right (of the overview/zoom mode). But if you&#039;re asking, *in all seriousness*, what the big deal is about running Safari on OSX in a handheld when you can already run, ahem, IE for Windows Mobile, then you&#039;re very, very seriously missing the point here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Seems like only Eszter&#8217;s asking questions about the device that go to its real identity. It&#8217;s not a phone, people: it&#8217;s a Macintosh handheld computer with rich telephony and iPod-style music features. Every one of these that sells puts <span class="caps">OSX</span> into the hands of a consumer who <strong>probably</strong> doesn&#8217;t own a Mac. That&#8217;s the real impact of the iPhone &#8211; it changes categories of consumer electronic devices.</p>

	<p>Me wants one.</p>

	<p>As to Eszter&#8217;s question: I think you have your description right (of the overview/zoom mode). But if you&#8217;re asking, <strong>in all seriousness</strong>, what the big deal is about running Safari on <span class="caps">OSX</span> in a handheld when you can already run, ahem, IE for Windows Mobile, then you&#8217;re very, very seriously missing the point here.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Christensen</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/09/paging-all-mac-nerds/comment-page-1/#comment-183629</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob Christensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 15:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@jim: I can imagine David Pogue walking into a pharmacy and demanding:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I&#039;ll have whatever William Rehnquist had.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Does anyone here know of scientific tests of the effects of being exposed to Steveness (or should that be Jobsidyl?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>@jim: I can imagine David Pogue walking into a pharmacy and demanding:</p>

	<p><blockquote>I&#8217;ll have whatever William Rehnquist had.</blockquote></p>

	<p>Does anyone here know of scientific tests of the effects of being exposed to Steveness (or should that be Jobsidyl?)</p>
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		<title>By: ogged</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/09/paging-all-mac-nerds/comment-page-1/#comment-183627</link>
		<dc:creator>ogged</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 15:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gizmodo is calling it &quot;the Jesus phone,&quot; which seems about right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Gizmodo is calling it &#8220;the Jesus phone,&#8221; which seems about right.</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/09/paging-all-mac-nerds/comment-page-1/#comment-183621</link>
		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One minor aspect of the RDF:  referring to 3.5&quot; as &quot;wide-screen&quot;.  David Pogue in the NYT this morning actually called the screen &quot;HUGE&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>One minor aspect of the <span class="caps">RDF</span>:  referring to 3.5&#8221; as &#8220;wide-screen&#8221;.  David Pogue in the <span class="caps">NYT</span> this morning actually called the screen &#8220;HUGE&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Eszter</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/09/paging-all-mac-nerds/comment-page-1/#comment-183620</link>
		<dc:creator>Eszter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barry, I&#039;ve always used a screen protector (even now that the screen isn&#039;t working just so it doesn&#039;t get scratched up and the visuals stay clear) and yes to GSM.

As to the Treo upgrade, I&#039;ve been looking at the 680. For some reason (I have to do more research on this to be clear) that one seems more appealing than the 700p. Definitely do not go for the 700w, because it turns out that the Treo doesn&#039;t have the screen size/dimension of the usual Windows Mobile gadgets so most applications won&#039;t work on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Barry, I&#8217;ve always used a screen protector (even now that the screen isn&#8217;t working just so it doesn&#8217;t get scratched up and the visuals stay clear) and yes to <span class="caps">GSM</span>.</p>

	<p>As to the Treo upgrade, I&#8217;ve been looking at the 680. For some reason (I have to do more research on this to be clear) that one seems more appealing than the 700p. Definitely do not go for the 700w, because it turns out that the Treo doesn&#8217;t have the screen size/dimension of the usual Windows Mobile gadgets so most applications won&#8217;t work on it.</p>
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		<title>By: nick s</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/09/paging-all-mac-nerds/comment-page-1/#comment-183615</link>
		<dc:creator>nick s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 12:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nokia&#039;s got to deal with the wonderfully incompatible US market and the wonderfully different American tastes in mobiles. Still, its low-end stuff -- and low-end is the big, big market these days -- is fantastic. How many millions of phones have they sold to Africa and south Asia?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Nokia&#8217;s got to deal with the wonderfully incompatible US market and the wonderfully different American tastes in mobiles. Still, its low-end stuff&#8212;and low-end is the big, big market these days&#8212;is fantastic. How many millions of phones have they sold to Africa and south Asia?</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Christensen</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/09/paging-all-mac-nerds/comment-page-1/#comment-183614</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob Christensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 12:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@maynard: The - admittedly - twisted point was that instead of coughing up 500 EUR (or whatever the price will be) for the iPhone, I&#039;ll spend something like 70 EUR on a simple mobile phone that&#039;ll do the job I want. (Hey, why not go for a Samsung to make the point) So I&#039;m happy. No, really.

But why Bang&amp;Olufsen hasn&#039;t come up with a device like this yet beats me. After all, B&amp;O thinks people are willing to pay 600 EUR for a device which can only make and receive phone calls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>@maynard: The &#8211; admittedly &#8211; twisted point was that instead of coughing up 500 <span class="caps">EUR </span>(or whatever the price will be) for the iPhone, I&#8217;ll spend something like 70 <span class="caps">EUR</span> on a simple mobile phone that&#8217;ll do the job I want. (Hey, why not go for a Samsung to make the point) So I&#8217;m happy. No, really.</p>

	<p>But why Bang&#038;Olufsen hasn&#8217;t come up with a device like this yet beats me. After all, B&#038;O thinks people are willing to pay 600 <span class="caps">EUR</span> for a device which can only make and receive phone calls.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Arben Fox</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/09/paging-all-mac-nerds/comment-page-1/#comment-183613</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell Arben Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 12:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I&#039;m the only Luddite geek I know&lt;/i&gt;...

&quot;Luddite geek.&quot; I like the sound of that. I&#039;m not sure exactly what it means, but I think it must describe something important.

And I&#039;m sorry Barry, but I&#039;ve never owned an 8-track. I do own a stack of old 45s--they&#039;re in a box somewhere--but I know longer have a way to play them. I guess I&#039;m not complete.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I&#8217;m the only Luddite geek I know</i>&#8230;</p>

	<p>&#8220;Luddite geek.&#8221; I like the sound of that. I&#8217;m not sure exactly what it means, but I think it must describe something important.</p>

	<p>And I&#8217;m sorry Barry, but I&#8217;ve never owned an 8-track. I do own a stack of old 45s&#8212;they&#8217;re in a box somewhere&#8212;but I know longer have a way to play them. I guess I&#8217;m not complete.</p>
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		<title>By: bad Jim</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/09/paging-all-mac-nerds/comment-page-1/#comment-183610</link>
		<dc:creator>bad Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 11:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, goody. Now we have an answer to traffic gridlock, sexual dysfunction, immigrant integration, currency mismatch and celebrity pregnancy: a new cell phone.

I&#039;m sorry, but I&#039;ve overheard one side of too many rather loud conversations today to be pleased by the proliferation of the tools with which we are eliminating the perception, practice and perhaps even the premise of privacy. Pah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oh, goody. Now we have an answer to traffic gridlock, sexual dysfunction, immigrant integration, currency mismatch and celebrity pregnancy: a new cell phone.</p>

	<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but I&#8217;ve overheard one side of too many rather loud conversations today to be pleased by the proliferation of the tools with which we are eliminating the perception, practice and perhaps even the premise of privacy. Pah.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Crooked Timber &#187; &#187; the new iMonolith mini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 10:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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