good point. This is already the case on the hole in the ozone layer.

There never was a problem, because it is not getting bigger. I was flabbergasted by this line of argument, but there you have it.

and in any case, what did it matter if we had to wear more suntan lotion?

(the bit about phytoplankton collapse, and birds going blind, is of course never mentioned).

Colorado is having above average temperatures this year.

This is not inconsistent with global warming.

Snow = water vapour + temperature below 0 degrees centigrade.

So if it’s normally cold in Colorado in winter, it can still be warmer than average, and if an unusually moist air mass comes in, the snow dumps.

Residents of Buffalo NY get far more snow than much colder places further north or west, for precisely this reason.

If we really don’t do anything to deal with greenhouse gases, climatic and sea level effects similar or worse than those pictured in an Inconvenient Truth will probably take place. If we’re lucky, the accuracy of his predictions will never be tested. Of course, one prediction can be made with 100% reliability: if things work out because of the strenuous and expensive efforts of governments, NGOs, corporations, and individuals, the Conservatives will claim that there had never been a problem in the first place.

I don’t, in fact, doubt average global temps are rising. But blaming every instance of unusual or dramatic weather on global warming has become a joke…one that’s more likely to undercut support for action on global warming that increase it.

The record snowfall in Denver can be attributed at least partially to global warming. The direct cause this time has been the result of an unusually strong el nino. The el nino effect is due to a cyclical warming of ocean waters. It is perfectly logical to assume that as the entire atmosphere heats up, it will increase the intensity of warm weather phenomenon such as el nino.

OK, so you’re saying that this year, global warming caused a lack of snow in the Alps and record snows in Colorado. I’m guessing that next year, if the opposite occurs (record snow in the Alps and below-normal snow in Colorado) that will also be an indication of global warming as well? Along those lines, last year, it was claimed that Katrina was caused by global warming. What happened this year? No hurricanes at all came ashore in the U.S. The cause? According to the weather service, it was El Nino. And the cause of El Nino? You suggest it is global warming.

I don’t, in fact, doubt average global temps are rising. But blaming every instance of unusual or dramatic weather on global warming has become a joke…one that’s more likely to undercut support for action on global warming that increase it.

Of course, comparisons with the systematic lying of Exxon shills are baseless, though I’m glad to see that jet has now seen through these guys, whom s/he was quoting not that long ago.

All jokes aside, if you watched the Discovery channel last night, you would have seen Gore not quite being an outright bald faced liar. But he certainly was doing Exxon quality of work in debasing science. In one sentence he would say that this or that would cause 20 or 40 feet of sea level rise, and then the next sentence would talk about how “this” could happen in the next 50 or 100 years. So, while “technically” he wasn’t lying, Exxon probably never “technically” lied either.

Gore et al have no problem scaring the “sheeple” into their line of thought. I hadn’t realized that conning the majority into a specific position was such a liberal ideal. Kind of makes bashing Exxon a bit hypocritical, doesn’t it?

Actually YOU would do better to try understanding the affects of climate change a little better.

The record snowfall in Denver can be attributed at least partially to global warming. The direct cause this time has been the result of an unusually strong el nino. The el nino effect is due to a cyclical warming of ocean waters. It is perfectly logical to assume that as the entire atmosphere heats up, it will increase the intensity of warm weather phenomenon such as el nino.

Yep, not only are they skiing, but Denver may be heading for a record snowfall year…

Global warming is, no doubt, responsible for this as well.

All snark aside…

Actually, this may very well be correct. Warming of the atmosphere may very well be allowing it to take up more water, which may be deposited in the form of snow. It doesn’t require that much of an elevation in temperature to allow the atmosphere to increase its moisture content, and, quite frankly, it doesn’t require that much of a lower temperature (at night, for example, or in particular regions of the country) to provide for the moisture to be deposited as snow.

Yep, not only are they skiing, but Denver may be heading for a record snowfall year:

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/10751097/detail.html

Global warming is, no doubt, responsible for this as well.

All snark aside, it is a bit ridiculous to cite the lack of snow in the Alps as ‘proof’ of global warming while ignoring record snowfall in Denver and record cold temperatures in Southern California:

http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_5015126

Global warming advocates would do much better to resist the temptation to cite every bit of unusual weather as conclusive evidence.