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		<title>By: Jill Hummelstein</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/22/on-the-road/comment-page-1/#comment-184866</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill Hummelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 18:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, jumping the gun since no one has responded yet: the book can be read in two ways, from the POV of the father and the POV of the child. But wait. It can&#039;t be read in either of those ways, either. The one cancels out the other. 
Or maybe it&#039;s from another POV, and McCarthy is taking advantage of the slippery slope of thrid person narration. Who is telling this story?

What a magnificient stunt for McCarthy to have pulled off and that eludes most readers because they only read for plot. He deserves his genius award to have pulled the wool over the eyes of all readers. And I&#039;m sure that was not his intention, to trick readers. I&#039;m sure he, like any serious writer who doesn&#039;t write schlock, craves a close reading and craves someone to ask the question: Just what the hell is he doing, writing a story that can be read in two ways and in no way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>So, jumping the gun since no one has responded yet: the book can be read in two ways, from the <span class="caps">POV</span> of the father and the <span class="caps">POV</span> of the child. But wait. It can&#8217;t be read in either of those ways, either. The one cancels out the other.<br />
Or maybe it&#8217;s from another <span class="caps">POV</span>, and McCarthy is taking advantage of the slippery slope of thrid person narration. Who is telling this story?</p>

	<p>What a magnificient stunt for McCarthy to have pulled off and that eludes most readers because they only read for plot. He deserves his genius award to have pulled the wool over the eyes of all readers. And I&#8217;m sure that was not his intention, to trick readers. I&#8217;m sure he, like any serious writer who doesn&#8217;t write schlock, craves a close reading and craves someone to ask the question: Just what the hell is he doing, writing a story that can be read in two ways and in no way.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Champion&#8217;s Return of the Reluctant &#187; China Miéville on Cormac McCarthy&#8217;s The Road</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Champion&#8217;s Return of the Reluctant &#187; China Miéville on Cormac McCarthy&#8217;s The Road</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 18:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jill Hummelstein</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/22/on-the-road/comment-page-1/#comment-184845</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill Hummelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no rule in literature that the portrayal of a child or a father need be realistic. Writers take traits and aspects of relationships and conflate them for their own purposes. Since when is McCarthy a realistic writer? Never.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>There is no rule in literature that the portrayal of a child or a father need be realistic. Writers take traits and aspects of relationships and conflate them for their own purposes. Since when is McCarthy a realistic writer? Never.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill Hummelstein</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/22/on-the-road/comment-page-1/#comment-184842</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill Hummelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem that no one has addressed is, If the narration of the entire book is from the father&#039;s point of view (close third), who is narrating the book after the father dies, for the last six pages?

The tone and language do not change once the father dies. So whoever is the narrator is remaining consistent.

I put this out: there was never any father. Was the story told by the child the entire time? 

&quot;You said you wouldnt ever leave me.
I know. I&#039;m sorry. You have my whole heart.You  always did. You&#039;re the best guy. You always were. If I&#039;m not here you can still talk to me. You can talk to me and I&#039;ll talk to you. You&#039;ll see.
Will I hear you?
Yes. you will. You have to make it like talk that you imagine. And you&#039;ll hear me. You have to practice.&quot; (pg.235)

The novel is the child practicing.

The novel is framed, sort of, by two dream. It opens with a dream, but whose dream is it? And it ends with an impossiblity, a detail that could only take place in dream: fish. But in this world there can be no fish. Most probably the water is too polluted. The black water in the opening dream, the trout in the last paragraph, who sees these images?

There are way too many instances of dreams for them to be discounted. 

&quot;Why dont you tell me a story?
I don&#039;t want.
Okay.
I dont have any stories to tell.
You could tell me a story about yourself.
You alredy know all the stories about me. You were there.
You have stories inside that I dont know about.
You mean like drems?
Like dreams. Or just things that you think about.&quot;

Is this novel the dream of the child? The above passage goes on in which the child says stories are suppose to have happy endings. This one does, albeit in the last paragraph, ironically. Ironically, because the weight of the preceding paragraphs completely cancels out the measly last paragraph.

There are no easy answers to the questions I&#039;ve posed. These questions need to be addressed. These questions indicate,  if you read the text closely,  that McCarthy is on top of his game and remains brillant.

Clue: why are there no contrations? i.e. Why is &quot;I dont want to&quot; not &quot;I don&#039;t want to.&quot;

Hint: because the child hasn&#039;t learned grammar yet and the entire text may be from the child&#039;s POV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The problem that no one has addressed is, If the narration of the entire book is from the father&#8217;s point of view (close third), who is narrating the book after the father dies, for the last six pages?</p>

	<p>The tone and language do not change once the father dies. So whoever is the narrator is remaining consistent.</p>

	<p>I put this out: there was never any father. Was the story told by the child the entire time?</p>

	<p>&#8220;You said you wouldnt ever leave me.<br />
I know. I&#8217;m sorry. You have my whole heart.You  always did. You&#8217;re the best guy. You always were. If I&#8217;m not here you can still talk to me. You can talk to me and I&#8217;ll talk to you. You&#8217;ll see.<br />
Will I hear you?<br />
Yes. you will. You have to make it like talk that you imagine. And you&#8217;ll hear me. You have to practice.&#8221; (pg.235)</p>

	<p>The novel is the child practicing.</p>

	<p>The novel is framed, sort of, by two dream. It opens with a dream, but whose dream is it? And it ends with an impossiblity, a detail that could only take place in dream: fish. But in this world there can be no fish. Most probably the water is too polluted. The black water in the opening dream, the trout in the last paragraph, who sees these images?</p>

	<p>There are way too many instances of dreams for them to be discounted.</p>

	<p>&#8220;Why dont you tell me a story?<br />
I don&#8217;t want.<br />
Okay.<br />
I dont have any stories to tell.<br />
You could tell me a story about yourself.<br />
You alredy know all the stories about me. You were there.<br />
You have stories inside that I dont know about.<br />
You mean like drems?<br />
Like dreams. Or just things that you think about.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Is this novel the dream of the child? The above passage goes on in which the child says stories are suppose to have happy endings. This one does, albeit in the last paragraph, ironically. Ironically, because the weight of the preceding paragraphs completely cancels out the measly last paragraph.</p>

	<p>There are no easy answers to the questions I&#8217;ve posed. These questions need to be addressed. These questions indicate,  if you read the text closely,  that McCarthy is on top of his game and remains brillant.</p>

	<p>Clue: why are there no contrations? i.e. Why is &#8220;I dont want to&#8221; not &#8220;I don&#8217;t want to.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Hint: because the child hasn&#8217;t learned grammar yet and the entire text may be from the child&#8217;s <span class="caps">POV</span>.</p>
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		<title>By: JR</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/22/on-the-road/comment-page-1/#comment-184809</link>
		<dc:creator>JR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 13:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The man is talking to himself, or an imaginary child, the entire book.&quot;

And after he&#039;s dead he continues to imagine the child.  Neat trick.  You&#039;re making a valiant effort to save a bad book - sort of like &quot;It was all a dream&quot; - but it doesn&#039;t work.

The book is genre fiction.  It&#039;s a combination of wish fulfillment and horror story.  The people aren&#039;t meant to be real people- they&#039;re fantasy projections of the intended reader (in this case, middle-class dads- I know, I am one) - about how they would behave if put in a difficult situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;The man is talking to himself, or an imaginary child, the entire book.&#8221;</p>

	<p>And after he&#8217;s dead he continues to imagine the child.  Neat trick.  You&#8217;re making a valiant effort to save a bad book &#8211; sort of like &#8220;It was all a dream&#8221; &#8211; but it doesn&#8217;t work.</p>

	<p>The book is genre fiction.  It&#8217;s a combination of wish fulfillment and horror story.  The people aren&#8217;t meant to be real people- they&#8217;re fantasy projections of the intended reader (in this case, middle-class dads- I know, I am one) &#8211; about how they would behave if put in a difficult situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/22/on-the-road/comment-page-1/#comment-184790</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 07:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t help but read it as a father with a son and found the conversation between father and son nothing like I would&#039;ve imagined.  Worse, he didn&#039;t convince me that these two would speak this way.  So I&#039;m very attracted to Jill&#039;s notion that there is no child.  

I also had precisely the same reaction as China: that it was aimless; pointless.

But again, Jill&#039;s explanation brings it all together for me.  

So I&#039;m with Jill.  There is no child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I couldn&#8217;t help but read it as a father with a son and found the conversation between father and son nothing like I would&#8217;ve imagined.  Worse, he didn&#8217;t convince me that these two would speak this way.  So I&#8217;m very attracted to Jill&#8217;s notion that there is no child.</p>

	<p>I also had precisely the same reaction as China: that it was aimless; pointless.</p>

	<p>But again, Jill&#8217;s explanation brings it all together for me.</p>

	<p>So I&#8217;m with Jill.  There is no child.</p>
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		<title>By: Rasselas</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/22/on-the-road/comment-page-1/#comment-184758</link>
		<dc:creator>Rasselas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 22:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, nobody on the Internet ever likes anything that isn&#039;t by Joss Whedon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Man, nobody on the Internet ever likes anything that isn&#8217;t by Joss Whedon.</p>
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		<title>By: The Last Linkfinder &#171; Torque Control</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/22/on-the-road/comment-page-1/#comment-184732</link>
		<dc:creator>The Last Linkfinder &#171; Torque Control</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A conversation about The Road between Henry Farrell and China Mieville. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: GeoX</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/22/on-the-road/comment-page-1/#comment-184722</link>
		<dc:creator>GeoX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand why McCarthy is supposed to be good (okay, I *understand* it, but I sure don&#039;t understand why so many people subscribe to the notion).  Blood Meridian may be the most monotonous thing I&#039;ve ever read.  I guess he gets a few points for style, but even at his best, he lapses into self-parody a *lot*.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I don&#8217;t understand why McCarthy is supposed to be good (okay, I <strong>understand</strong> it, but I sure don&#8217;t understand why so many people subscribe to the notion).  Blood Meridian may be the most monotonous thing I&#8217;ve ever read.  I guess he gets a few points for style, but even at his best, he lapses into self-parody a <strong>lot</strong>.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill Hummelstein</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/22/on-the-road/comment-page-1/#comment-184706</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill Hummelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 16:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to ask you a question: why, with a writer like McCarthy, would he choose to be inconsistent in portraying the child? Let&#039;s assume it was on purpose. Let&#039;s assume he has enough skill to control tonality, emotional register and the huge contradtion at the end of the book. If approached from this way, he is saying something about the child that all of you missed: the child does not exist.

The man is talking to himself, or an imaginery child, the entire book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m going to ask you a question: why, with a writer like McCarthy, would he choose to be inconsistent in portraying the child? Let&#8217;s assume it was on purpose. Let&#8217;s assume he has enough skill to control tonality, emotional register and the huge contradtion at the end of the book. If approached from this way, he is saying something about the child that all of you missed: the child does not exist.</p>

	<p>The man is talking to himself, or an imaginery child, the entire book.</p>
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		<title>By: JR</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/22/on-the-road/comment-page-1/#comment-184705</link>
		<dc:creator>JR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Road is genre science fiction being read by readers who don&#039;t read that stuff so they don&#039;t realize what they&#039;re reading.  It&#039;s shocking, but it&#039;s not very good.  The prose is to good Cormac McCarthy as Across the River and Into the Trees is to good Hemingway. It&#039;s the kind of book that makes you wonder whether you&#039;ve overestimated the author&#039;s earlier stuff.

PS- I thought No Country for Old Men was truly horrible.
PPS- As a political work it&#039;s perhaps got some importance.  &quot;This is what a war would mean.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The Road is genre science fiction being read by readers who don&#8217;t read that stuff so they don&#8217;t realize what they&#8217;re reading.  It&#8217;s shocking, but it&#8217;s not very good.  The prose is to good Cormac McCarthy as Across the River and Into the Trees is to good Hemingway. It&#8217;s the kind of book that makes you wonder whether you&#8217;ve overestimated the author&#8217;s earlier stuff.</p>

	<p>PS- I thought No Country for Old Men was truly horrible.<br />
<span class="caps">PPS</span>- As a political work it&#8217;s perhaps got some importance.  &#8220;This is what a war would mean.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/22/on-the-road/comment-page-1/#comment-184685</link>
		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 14:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having a 2-year-old has gravely affected my ability to read about babies roasting on spits.  

I was wincing at some of the atrocities recounted in Niall Ferguson&#039;s last book; the need to imagine atrocities after the 20th century just seems a bit suspect to me, somehow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Having a 2-year-old has gravely affected my ability to read about babies roasting on spits.</p>

	<p>I was wincing at some of the atrocities recounted in Niall Ferguson&#8217;s last book; the need to imagine atrocities after the 20th century just seems a bit suspect to me, somehow.</p>
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		<title>By: Hasan Jafri</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/22/on-the-road/comment-page-1/#comment-184626</link>
		<dc:creator>Hasan Jafri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 04:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The broiled baby is too well done. It&#039;s overdone. This confirms my long held view that Cormac McCarthy has no future whatsoever as a chef, but as a writer he&#039;s superb. Bon Appetit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The broiled baby is too well done. It&#8217;s overdone. This confirms my long held view that Cormac McCarthy has no future whatsoever as a chef, but as a writer he&#8217;s superb. Bon Appetit.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/22/on-the-road/comment-page-1/#comment-184607</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should&#039;ve paid attention to the Preview below.  Didn&#039;t scroll far enough down, and thus didn&#039;t notice that the link tag was all messed up.  Anyway, if you&#039;re interested, it is &lt;a href=&quot;http://itself.wordpress.com/2007/01/19/some-reflections-on-cormac-mccarthys-the-road/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I should&#8217;ve paid attention to the Preview below.  Didn&#8217;t scroll far enough down, and thus didn&#8217;t notice that the link tag was all messed up.  Anyway, if you&#8217;re interested, it is <a href="http://itself.wordpress.com/2007/01/19/some-reflections-on-cormac-mccarthys-the-road/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A little self-promotion here, but I wrote &lt;a&gt;The Road&lt;/a&gt; this past weekend -- many of which harmonize well with some of the positions taken in your conversation.  I approach things from a &quot;theological&quot; perspective, as well -- albeit, not an especially confessional one, and pursue a sense I&#039;ve long had of McCarthy as America&#039;s greatest death-of-god novelist. Take from the post what you will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>A little self-promotion here, but I wrote <a>The Road</a> this past weekend&#8212;many of which harmonize well with some of the positions taken in your conversation.  I approach things from a &#8220;theological&#8221; perspective, as well&#8212;albeit, not an especially confessional one, and pursue a sense I&#8217;ve long had of McCarthy as America&#8217;s greatest death-of-god novelist. Take from the post what you will.</p>
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