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		<title>By: Anarch</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/23/princesses-prada-product-placement/comment-page-1/#comment-185087</link>
		<dc:creator>Anarch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>American Psycho (at least the book) is saturated with product placement, though I doubt anyone paid for that.  Ironic product placement was taken to extremes in two movies that I know of: Fight Club, where every product placement (deliberately) occurs in a scene of horrific violence or transgression; and Revenge Of The Killer Tomatoes, where, due to metafictional budget crises as the film progresses, the main actors start actively breaking the fourth wall -- and in some cases, the actual set -- to hawk their wares.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>American Psycho (at least the book) is saturated with product placement, though I doubt anyone paid for that.  Ironic product placement was taken to extremes in two movies that I know of: Fight Club, where every product placement (deliberately) occurs in a scene of horrific violence or transgression; and Revenge Of The Killer Tomatoes, where, due to metafictional budget crises as the film progresses, the main actors start actively breaking the fourth wall&#8212;and in some cases, the actual set&#8212;to hawk their wares.</p>
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		<title>By: sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 03:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;“She opened the fridge and pulled out a Diet Pepsi” or “store brand Coke” are both things people might actually think about pulling out of the fridge.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, I can&#039;t think of a film in which a character would reach into the fridge and pull out a can of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.popsoda.com/drbrownscelray.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;celery soda&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><blockquote>&#8220;She opened the fridge and pulled out a Diet Pepsi&#8221; or &#8220;store brand Coke&#8221; are both things people might actually think about pulling out of the fridge.</blockquote></p>

	<p>Well, I can&#8217;t think of a film in which a character would reach into the fridge and pull out a can of <a href="http://www.popsoda.com/drbrownscelray.html" rel="nofollow">celery soda</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: I.G.I.</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/23/princesses-prada-product-placement/comment-page-1/#comment-184977</link>
		<dc:creator>I.G.I.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another angle: I would venture the bet that overtly vulgar product placement in films, as in Bond saga, is driven by brands experiencing difficulties - it could be products development, or brand identity, or the management&#039;s lack of vision, etc. In my view it&#039;s a desperate form of advertising. Aston Martin is a text book example: as the marque declined during the 1970s and the 80s it increasingly started to rely on the dubious Prince of Walles connections, association with the Bond kitch, hand made feel and blah blah. The simple truth was that AM could not compete with the Italian and the German manufacturers in the upper sector of the market.
On the other hand intelligent discrete product placement may do wonders. Richard Gere in American Gigolo is dressed entirely in Armani yet the name appears only at the end of the titles. As far as I know the film did wonders for the Armani sales in ther US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Another angle: I would venture the bet that overtly vulgar product placement in films, as in Bond saga, is driven by brands experiencing difficulties &#8211; it could be products development, or brand identity, or the management&#8217;s lack of vision, etc. In my view it&#8217;s a desperate form of advertising. Aston Martin is a text book example: as the marque declined during the 1970s and the 80s it increasingly started to rely on the dubious Prince of Walles connections, association with the Bond kitch, hand made feel and blah blah. The simple truth was that AM could not compete with the Italian and the German manufacturers in the upper sector of the market.<br />
On the other hand intelligent discrete product placement may do wonders. Richard Gere in American Gigolo is dressed entirely in Armani yet the name appears only at the end of the titles. As far as I know the film did wonders for the Armani sales in ther US.</p>
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		<title>By: Ginger Yellow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ginger Yellow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;On the one hand, we want to read about and watch the luxury products of the rich and famous...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Speak for yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><blockquote>On the one hand, we want to read about and watch the luxury products of the rich and famous&#8230;</blockquote></p>

	<p>Speak for yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: ajay</title>
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		<dc:creator>ajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 10:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob Howard, of course, drives a Smart car...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Bob Howard, of course, drives a Smart car&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: nick s</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/23/princesses-prada-product-placement/comment-page-1/#comment-184914</link>
		<dc:creator>nick s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 05:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>vivian is right: Streep&#039;s character demonstrates distinction not through her choice of coffee, but her having a pissboy/pissgirl to fetch it.

As for Bond, others are right to note the product placement in the books: he drove an Bentley 4.5l with the Amherst Villiers supercharger. There&#039;s also a hat-tip to the &lt;i&gt;Goldfinger&lt;/i&gt; Aston at the start of the new &lt;i&gt;Casino Royale&lt;/i&gt; with the powder-blue DB5. So while the Sony placement was painful, the Aston was less so.

&lt;i&gt;I wonder about the product placement in those movies that mock product placement: The Truman Show, Wayne’s World.&lt;/i&gt;

Mike Myers may have mocked it, but he&#039;s raked in tons from it: the last Austin Powers film was painfully saturated in placement.

&lt;i&gt;Ford sells well designed, high quality vehicles in Europe, while selling outdated and outclassed cars in its home market.&lt;/i&gt;

GM also. Though even Honda outfits its line differently in its major markets: the Japanese Civic is funkier than the European than the American. Americans won&#039;t buy funky cars unless they&#039;re sold (Mini, PT Cruiser) as &#039;funky cars&#039;. My guess is that the new Mondeo/Taurus in the US won&#039;t look like that at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>vivian is right: Streep&#8217;s character demonstrates distinction not through her choice of coffee, but her having a pissboy/pissgirl to fetch it.</p>

	<p>As for Bond, others are right to note the product placement in the books: he drove an Bentley 4.5l with the Amherst Villiers supercharger. There&#8217;s also a hat-tip to the <i>Goldfinger</i> Aston at the start of the new <i>Casino Royale</i> with the powder-blue <span class="caps">DB5</span>. So while the Sony placement was painful, the Aston was less so.</p>

	<p><i>I wonder about the product placement in those movies that mock product placement: The Truman Show, Wayne&#8217;s World.</i></p>

	<p>Mike Myers may have mocked it, but he&#8217;s raked in tons from it: the last Austin Powers film was painfully saturated in placement.</p>

	<p><i>Ford sells well designed, high quality vehicles in Europe, while selling outdated and outclassed cars in its home market.</i></p>

	<p>GM also. Though even Honda outfits its line differently in its major markets: the Japanese Civic is funkier than the European than the American. Americans won&#8217;t buy funky cars unless they&#8217;re sold (Mini, <span class="caps">PT </span>Cruiser) as &#8216;funky cars&#8217;. My guess is that the new Mondeo/Taurus in the US won&#8217;t look like that at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Alistair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alistair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 01:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, the car Bond drives in the beginning of Casino Royale is the upcoming Ford Mondeo, not a Focus.  It&#039;s quite a sexy vehicle for a mass market family car.  The irony is that it&#039;s more exotic to an American audience than the Aston, because at least the Aston can actually be bought here (and where I live, I see several a day).  Ford sells well designed, high quality vehicles in Europe, while selling outdated and outclassed cars in its home market.  It&#039;s rather perplexing, especially since they&#039;re profitable overseas and hemorrhage cash in the US.

As for its appropriateness as a product placement, the car Bond is driving at the beginning of the movie is meant to be a rental.  It&#039;s really one of the least egregious placements in the movie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Actually, the car Bond drives in the beginning of Casino Royale is the upcoming Ford Mondeo, not a Focus.  It&#8217;s quite a sexy vehicle for a mass market family car.  The irony is that it&#8217;s more exotic to an American audience than the Aston, because at least the Aston can actually be bought here (and where I live, I see several a day).  Ford sells well designed, high quality vehicles in Europe, while selling outdated and outclassed cars in its home market.  It&#8217;s rather perplexing, especially since they&#8217;re profitable overseas and hemorrhage cash in the US.</p>

	<p>As for its appropriateness as a product placement, the car Bond is driving at the beginning of the movie is meant to be a rental.  It&#8217;s really one of the least egregious placements in the movie.</p>
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		<title>By: Phoenician in a time of Romans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phoenician in a time of Romans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 00:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I have never seen, nor heard of, a UK Government Macintosh. Nuh, the civil service loves it some Wintel.&lt;/i&gt;

Imagine you&#039;re in a government IT department.  You have a choice between being creative and being just like everyone else.  If you&#039;re creative, there&#039;s a good chance the department will benefit, and a small chance the department will suffer.  If you go with the flow, the department gets by like everyone else.

Now, here&#039;s the kicker - if the department benefits, you don&#039;t get shit out of it.  If it suffers, you&#039;re going get eased out of your job or at least stall on the career path.

Which do you choose?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I have never seen, nor heard of, a <span class="caps">UK </span>Government Macintosh. Nuh, the civil service loves it some Wintel.</i></p>

	<p>Imagine you&#8217;re in a government IT department.  You have a choice between being creative and being just like everyone else.  If you&#8217;re creative, there&#8217;s a good chance the department will benefit, and a small chance the department will suffer.  If you go with the flow, the department gets by like everyone else.</p>

	<p>Now, here&#8217;s the kicker &#8211; if the department benefits, you don&#8217;t get shit out of it.  If it suffers, you&#8217;re going get eased out of your job or at least stall on the career path.</p>

	<p>Which do you choose?</p>
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		<title>By: American Citizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>American Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as most people know, paid product placement in novels is very rare (Bulgari being the exception).  Of course, brands are often mentioned in novels, but it&#039;s unpaid.  Many times, it&#039;s a natural way to show something about a character.  &quot;He gets a beer out of the fridge&quot; is generic, versus &quot;He gets a [cheap beer] out of his [cheap brand]&quot; or &quot;He gets a [expensive beer] out of his [expensive brand]&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>As far as most people know, paid product placement in novels is very rare (Bulgari being the exception).  Of course, brands are often mentioned in novels, but it&#8217;s unpaid.  Many times, it&#8217;s a natural way to show something about a character.  &#8220;He gets a beer out of the fridge&#8221; is generic, versus &#8220;He gets a [cheap beer] out of his [cheap brand]&#8221; or &#8220;He gets a [expensive beer] out of his [expensive brand]&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: smokey</title>
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		<dc:creator>smokey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 18:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to danbye, I would also like to know how parodistic placement works.  In Talledega Nights there was a great deal of mocking of the absurd levels Nascar goes in product placement, but at the same time, they were real products (including Perrier for the &quot;French&quot; driver).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>In response to danbye, I would also like to know how parodistic placement works.  In Talledega Nights there was a great deal of mocking of the absurd levels Nascar goes in product placement, but at the same time, they were real products (including Perrier for the &#8220;French&#8221; driver).</p>
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		<title>By: Michael B Sullivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael B Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 18:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Molly in comment 3 points out, the Starbucks runs are extensively commented upon in the book.  In the book, the heroine has considerable trouble getting the coffee on time, and eventually finds that she needs to assert herself as a VIP and get the management to let her cut in line in order to meet Priestly&#039;s demands (which is portrayed as sort of philosphically troubling for the heroine, in line with her continuing and overall problems with the attitudes of her co-workers).

Presumeably, this would not be a problem if she were using an in-house or even an out-of-house, but ultra-exclusive, coffee maker.  So I guess that you could say that this serves the plot, rather than being placement.

Of course, it could have been a made up local cofee house, rather than a Starbucks per se.  Since the novel is based on the author&#039;s actual experiences as the assistant to the editor of Vogue, I wonder if this is a real or made up detail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>As Molly in comment 3 points out, the Starbucks runs are extensively commented upon in the book.  In the book, the heroine has considerable trouble getting the coffee on time, and eventually finds that she needs to assert herself as a <span class="caps">VIP</span> and get the management to let her cut in line in order to meet Priestly&#8217;s demands (which is portrayed as sort of philosphically troubling for the heroine, in line with her continuing and overall problems with the attitudes of her co-workers).</p>

	<p>Presumeably, this would not be a problem if she were using an in-house or even an out-of-house, but ultra-exclusive, coffee maker.  So I guess that you could say that this serves the plot, rather than being placement.</p>

	<p>Of course, it could have been a made up local cofee house, rather than a Starbucks per se.  Since the novel is based on the author&#8217;s actual experiences as the assistant to the editor of Vogue, I wonder if this is a real or made up detail.</p>
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		<title>By: Danbye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danbye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder about the product placement in those movies that mock product placement: &lt;i&gt;The Truman Show&lt;/i&gt;, &lt;i&gt;Wayne&#039;s World&lt;/i&gt;. Do they get paid by the brands they place? Those brands get exposure more prominent even than that in your regular movie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I wonder about the product placement in those movies that mock product placement: <i>The Truman Show</i>, <i>Wayne&#8217;s World</i>. Do they get paid by the brands they place? Those brands get exposure more prominent even than that in your regular movie.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim McG</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim McG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Mac laptops with which you can hack into the aliens&#039; computer system in &lt;i&gt;Independence Day&lt;/i&gt; are another hilarious product placement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The Mac laptops with which you can hack into the aliens&#8217; computer system in <i>Independence Day</i> are another hilarious product placement.</p>
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		<title>By: ajay</title>
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		<dc:creator>ajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 15:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s because Fujitsu-Siemens are cheap... (I use one). 

Anyway, the Bond books were, as far as I remember, among the first to use product placement - unpaid - in order to add authenticity. Philip Marlowe smoked cigarettes and drank whiskey. You don&#039;t learn any more than that.
 Bond smokes Senior Service with the three gold bands, and drinks... well, a vast amount, but it&#039;s all brand-names. Even his marmalade is branded (Coopers Oxford). About the only things that are brand-named in Chandler and earlier thrillers like Buchan are the weapons, and not even them all the time; but in Bond it&#039;s everything. It&#039;s the start of a process which led inexorably to Tom Clancy and his Lockheed Martin catalogues disguised as thrillers. I don&#039;t &lt;i&gt;think&lt;/i&gt; LockMart pay him for favourable references to the F-22A Raptor, but I could be wrong...

Bond in a Ford Focus was quite funny; rubbed in his status as a very junior officer. He&#039;d probably only just moved up from the Mondeo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>That&#8217;s because Fujitsu-Siemens are cheap&#8230; (I use one).</p>

	<p>Anyway, the Bond books were, as far as I remember, among the first to use product placement &#8211; unpaid &#8211; in order to add authenticity. Philip Marlowe smoked cigarettes and drank whiskey. You don&#8217;t learn any more than that.<br />
Bond smokes Senior Service with the three gold bands, and drinks&#8230; well, a vast amount, but it&#8217;s all brand-names. Even his marmalade is branded (Coopers Oxford). About the only things that are brand-named in Chandler and earlier thrillers like Buchan are the weapons, and not even them all the time; but in Bond it&#8217;s everything. It&#8217;s the start of a process which led inexorably to Tom Clancy and his Lockheed Martin catalogues disguised as thrillers. I don&#8217;t <i>think</i> LockMart pay him for favourable references to the F-22A Raptor, but I could be wrong&#8230;</p>

	<p>Bond in a Ford Focus was quite funny; rubbed in his status as a very junior officer. He&#8217;d probably only just moved up from the Mondeo.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 15:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More topically, Quiggin is talking about the phenomenon that made Cecil Rhodes rich. With the discovery of the Kimberley diamond mines, and then the introduction of mechanisation and dynamite, he realised that although he could now sell vastly more diamonds than anyone had ever before, that wasn&#039;t actually a good thing. Who would want diamonds if everybody could afford them?

So he and De Beers set up the Central Selling Organisation to market South African rocks, whose real purpose was to act as a cartel and prevent too many diamonds from reaching the market, thus maintaining their scarcity and hence, price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>More topically, Quiggin is talking about the phenomenon that made Cecil Rhodes rich. With the discovery of the Kimberley diamond mines, and then the introduction of mechanisation and dynamite, he realised that although he could now sell vastly more diamonds than anyone had ever before, that wasn&#8217;t actually a good thing. Who would want diamonds if everybody could afford them?</p>

	<p>So he and De Beers set up the Central Selling Organisation to market South African rocks, whose real purpose was to act as a cartel and prevent too many diamonds from reaching the market, thus maintaining their scarcity and hence, price.</p>
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