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	<description>Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made</description>
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		<title>By: Dave Cole</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/24/probabilistic-alarm-clock/comment-page-1/#comment-185223</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Cole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about an alarm clock that tuns away when you press snooze? No, really, it exists.

http://www.nandahome.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>What about an alarm clock that tuns away when you press snooze? No, really, it exists.</p>

	<p><a href="http://www.nandahome.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.nandahome.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/24/probabilistic-alarm-clock/comment-page-1/#comment-185188</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 18:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyway, all users of South West Trains have a similar but opposite system - we get up at the same time in the morning but the trains are delayed by a random number of minutes between zero and 30.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Anyway, all users of South West Trains have a similar but opposite system &#8211; we get up at the same time in the morning but the trains are delayed by a random number of minutes between zero and 30.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeN</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/24/probabilistic-alarm-clock/comment-page-1/#comment-185164</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any idea how many people do this? My family did and my wife&#039;s family did, so we do too, but any info on what percentage does? I&#039;ve been unable to come up with a Google to answer this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Any idea how many people do this? My family did and my wife&#8217;s family did, so we do too, but any info on what percentage does? I&#8217;ve been unable to come up with a Google to answer this.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/24/probabilistic-alarm-clock/comment-page-1/#comment-184924</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely a rational actor is only late for meetings that they don&#039;t really care much about being late for, at least thats how it works for me, so having unreliable time pieces would just act as an excuse for being late (I certainly know some people who use to deliberately have their watch running several minutes late so they can &#039;correct&#039; it when they arrive a few minutes late for a meeting, this would seem to be able to be used for the same purpose).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Surely a rational actor is only late for meetings that they don&#8217;t really care much about being late for, at least thats how it works for me, so having unreliable time pieces would just act as an excuse for being late (I certainly know some people who use to deliberately have their watch running several minutes late so they can &#8216;correct&#8217; it when they arrive a few minutes late for a meeting, this would seem to be able to be used for the same purpose).</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/24/probabilistic-alarm-clock/comment-page-1/#comment-184922</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 10:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The proliferation of nearly perfect timepieces (mobile phones being the handiest example) is obsolescing this strategy.&lt;/i&gt;

Clearly what we need is an improbabilistic alarm clock. What would Douglas Adams do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>The proliferation of nearly perfect timepieces (mobile phones being the handiest example) is obsolescing this strategy.</i></p>

	<p>Clearly what we need is an improbabilistic alarm clock. What would Douglas Adams do?</p>
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		<title>By: bad Jim</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/24/probabilistic-alarm-clock/comment-page-1/#comment-184920</link>
		<dc:creator>bad Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The proliferation of nearly perfect timepieces (mobile phones being the handiest example) is obsolescing this strategy.

I&#039;ll note my preference at the outset: I have two radio-controlled clocks, a clock radio and a watch; my computer contacts the NIST timeserver daily; the landline phones get the time via caller ID; the cable tuner&#039;s time is set remotely. (The thermostats, ovens, coffee maker and sundry other timepieces are manually adjusted and undependable, and yes, changing to and from daylight savings time is a major festival in my household.)

In my experience, people who try to compensate for running late by fooling themselves continue to run late, probably because it&#039;s hard to forget that you&#039;re lying to yourself.

For a commuter, an alarm connected to the net and tracking traffic delays could conceivably be useful, but the option of an additional aleatory uncertainty would not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The proliferation of nearly perfect timepieces (mobile phones being the handiest example) is obsolescing this strategy.</p>

	<p>I&#8217;ll note my preference at the outset: I have two radio-controlled clocks, a clock radio and a watch; my computer contacts the <span class="caps">NIST</span> timeserver daily; the landline phones get the time via caller ID; the cable tuner&#8217;s time is set remotely. (The thermostats, ovens, coffee maker and sundry other timepieces are manually adjusted and undependable, and yes, changing to and from daylight savings time is a major festival in my household.)</p>

	<p>In my experience, people who try to compensate for running late by fooling themselves continue to run late, probably because it&#8217;s hard to forget that you&#8217;re lying to yourself.</p>

	<p>For a commuter, an alarm connected to the net and tracking traffic delays could conceivably be useful, but the option of an additional aleatory uncertainty would not.</p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/24/probabilistic-alarm-clock/comment-page-1/#comment-184917</link>
		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 08:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, engels.

Why do you need the trick in the first place? Because when your clock shows exact time you are often late.

Why are you often late when your clock shows exact time? Because you&#039;re irrational.

In what way are you irrational? You are irrational in the sense of being too optimistic; IOW: when you calculate the odds, you make systematic mistake assuming they are too favorable.

I&#039;m saying that this probabilistic clock just gives you an additional opportunity to miscalculate the odds, and, obviously, with the same bias we already know you have (too optimistic), and so you&#039;re probably going to be late more often than usual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>OK, engels.</p>

	<p>Why do you need the trick in the first place? Because when your clock shows exact time you are often late.</p>

	<p>Why are you often late when your clock shows exact time? Because you&#8217;re irrational.</p>

	<p>In what way are you irrational? You are irrational in the sense of being too optimistic; <span class="caps">IOW</span>: when you calculate the odds, you make systematic mistake assuming they are too favorable.</p>

	<p>I&#8217;m saying that this probabilistic clock just gives you an additional opportunity to miscalculate the odds, and, obviously, with the same bias we already know you have (too optimistic), and so you&#8217;re probably going to be late more often than usual.</p>
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		<title>By: nbrej</title>
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		<dc:creator>nbrej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 03:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love you, Henry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I love you, Henry.</p>
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		<title>By: radek</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/24/probabilistic-alarm-clock/comment-page-1/#comment-184911</link>
		<dc:creator>radek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 02:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arbitrage over time differences. And the fact that she has a pet that needs to be fed early in the morning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Arbitrage over time differences. And the fact that she has a pet that needs to be fed early in the morning.</p>
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		<title>By: tom s.</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/24/probabilistic-alarm-clock/comment-page-1/#comment-184907</link>
		<dc:creator>tom s.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 01:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>11. &quot;Which is why now instead I just have my girlfriend call me a couple of times in the morning, in addition to the alarm clock.&quot;

- which is fine as long as your girlfriend does not suffer from the same problem. But then, I guess you could call her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>11. &#8220;Which is why now instead I just have my girlfriend call me a couple of times in the morning, in addition to the alarm clock.&#8221;</p>
 &#8211; which is fine as long as your girlfriend does not suffer from the same problem. But then, I guess you could call her.
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		<title>By: Slocum</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/24/probabilistic-alarm-clock/comment-page-1/#comment-184903</link>
		<dc:creator>Slocum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 00:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But nobody wears a watch anymore, do they?  Don&#039;t we all have wireless, auto-synchronizing pocket watches (AKA cell phones) instead?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>But nobody wears a watch anymore, do they?  Don&#8217;t we all have wireless, auto-synchronizing pocket watches (AKA cell phones) instead?</p>
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		<title>By: engels</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/24/probabilistic-alarm-clock/comment-page-1/#comment-184900</link>
		<dc:creator>engels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 00:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then again, if you were rational, you&#039;d just leave on time in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Then again, if you were rational, you&#8217;d just leave on time in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: engels</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/24/probabilistic-alarm-clock/comment-page-1/#comment-184899</link>
		<dc:creator>engels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 23:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ooh

&lt;i&gt;No, your clock is not +- 10 minutes, it’s always ahead, it’s ahead by between 5 and 15 minutes and you know it.&lt;/i&gt;

I don’t think that matters. Let’s say the meeting is at time m and whatever time you try to arrive at (a) you will end up arriving at a+r, where r is in the range negative 5 to 5 (because your estimate of the time may be out by plus or minus 5 minutes). You will not (rationally) set a to m, because the penalty for being late is larger than the penalty for being early. Depending on the relative size of these penalties you will set a to some number less than m, possibly to m minus 5.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>ooh</p>

	<p><i>No, your clock is not +- 10 minutes, it&#8217;s always ahead, it&#8217;s ahead by between 5 and 15 minutes and you know it.</i></p>

	<p>I don&#8217;t think that matters. Let&#8217;s say the meeting is at time m and whatever time you try to arrive at (a) you will end up arriving at a+r, where r is in the range negative 5 to 5 (because your estimate of the time may be out by plus or minus 5 minutes). You will not (rationally) set a to m, because the penalty for being late is larger than the penalty for being early. Depending on the relative size of these penalties you will set a to some number less than m, possibly to m minus 5.</p>
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		<title>By: engels</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/24/probabilistic-alarm-clock/comment-page-1/#comment-184898</link>
		<dc:creator>engels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 23:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;No, your clock is not +- 10 minutes, it’s always ahead, it’s ahead by between 5 and 15 minutes and you know it.&lt;/i&gt;

I don&#039;t think that matters. Let&#039;s say the meeting is at time m and whatever time you try to arrive at (a) you will end up arriving at a+r, where r is in the range -5 to 5 (because your estimate of the time may be out by +/- 5 minutes). You will not (rationally) set a to m, because the penalty for being late is larger than the penalty for being early. Depending on the relative size of these penalties you will set a to some number less than m, possibly to m-5.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>No, your clock is not +- 10 minutes, it&#8217;s always ahead, it&#8217;s ahead by between 5 and 15 minutes and you know it.</i></p>

	<p>I don&#8217;t think that matters. Let&#8217;s say the meeting is at time m and whatever time you try to arrive at (a) you will end up arriving at a+r, where r is in the range <del>5 to 5 (because your estimate of the time may be out by +/- 5 minutes). You will not (rationally) set a to m, because the penalty for being late is larger than the penalty for being early. Depending on the relative size of these penalties you will set a to some number less than m, possibly to m</del>5.</p>
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		<title>By: a very public sociologist</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/24/probabilistic-alarm-clock/comment-page-1/#comment-184897</link>
		<dc:creator>a very public sociologist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 23:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaargh that invention would be an utter nightmare! I rely on my alarm clock being approx half an hour fast! My spine ashivers at the thought!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Aaargh that invention would be an utter nightmare! I rely on my alarm clock being approx half an hour fast! My spine ashivers at the thought!</p>
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