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	<title>Comments on: Last Best Gifts in the NYT</title>
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	<description>Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made</description>
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		<title>By: strewelpeter</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/27/last-best-gifts-in-the-nyt/comment-page-1/#comment-185226</link>
		<dc:creator>strewelpeter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 12:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is slightly beside the point , but I was quite taken by a piece I half heard on todays thought for the day on 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/programmes/thought/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;  Page link, transcript will be up later on today &lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/realmedia/thought/t20070129.ram&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;  Real Audio link &lt;/a&gt;

It seems that there is a young lad who does not want to die a virgin, hes stuck in a hospice and the God Botherers got into a tizzy about his request to hire the services of a prostitute before he dies. In fairness to them though it seems they handled it well in this case.
I was wondering if there would be a response from  unattached females volunteering to take on the challange in a less commercial more loving way. I&#039;d like to think that if I were in the situation to I&#039;d be willing to share in this lads fulfilment before he dies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This is slightly beside the point , but I was quite taken by a piece I half heard on todays thought for the day on<br />
<a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/programmes/thought/" rel="nofollow">  Page link, transcript will be up later on today </a><br />
<a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/realmedia/thought/t20070129.ram" rel="nofollow">  Real Audio link </a></p>

	<p>It seems that there is a young lad who does not want to die a virgin, hes stuck in a hospice and the God Botherers got into a tizzy about his request to hire the services of a prostitute before he dies. In fairness to them though it seems they handled it well in this case.<br />
I was wondering if there would be a response from  unattached females volunteering to take on the challange in a less commercial more loving way. I&#8217;d like to think that if I were in the situation to I&#8217;d be willing to share in this lads fulfilment before he dies.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon Berg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandon Berg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 21:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps it would help if someone near the top of the list, or members of his family, were there when asking the deceased&#039;s next-of-kin about donation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Perhaps it would help if someone near the top of the list, or members of his family, were there when asking the deceased&#8217;s next-of-kin about donation.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy W</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/27/last-best-gifts-in-the-nyt/comment-page-1/#comment-185195</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 21:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;People appointed to public office by people like George W Bush should be in charge of seeing who should (and thus, who should not) be getting donated organs.

Any other way of doing it will skew things unfairly toward the wealthy.&lt;/i&gt;

I think we can deduce from this that you believe skewing things towards the politically-well-connected is fairer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>People appointed to public office by people like George W Bush should be in charge of seeing who should (and thus, who should not) be getting donated organs.</i></p>

	<p>Any other way of doing it will skew things unfairly toward the wealthy.</p>

	<p>I think we can deduce from this that you believe skewing things towards the politically-well-connected is fairer.</p>
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		<title>By: harry b</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/27/last-best-gifts-in-the-nyt/comment-page-1/#comment-185191</link>
		<dc:creator>harry b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 19:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m more or less persuaded that the modified markets virginia postrel proposes in kidneys should be, well, experimented with.  But I also found myself asking how much of a dentit would make if, instead of contracting in, you had to contract out of donation (ie, a law change which presumes that all organs are donated, unless the accident victim has explicitly decided not to donate)? And what effects would that law change have on other donating behaviour (eg whether people would be more or less willing to act as living donors?). 

Congrats on the review Kieran. OF course, I&#039;d have bought the book eventually anyway, so you should subtract 1 from the sales bump when you get round to calcualting it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m more or less persuaded that the modified markets virginia postrel proposes in kidneys should be, well, experimented with.  But I also found myself asking how much of a dentit would make if, instead of contracting in, you had to contract out of donation (ie, a law change which presumes that all organs are donated, unless the accident victim has explicitly decided not to donate)? And what effects would that law change have on other donating behaviour (eg whether people would be more or less willing to act as living donors?).</p>

	<p>Congrats on the review Kieran. OF course, I&#8217;d have bought the book eventually anyway, so you should subtract 1 from the sales bump when you get round to calcualting it.</p>
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		<title>By: Virginia Postrel</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/27/last-best-gifts-in-the-nyt/comment-page-1/#comment-185184</link>
		<dc:creator>Virginia Postrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;the particular form of market, or the particular form of other arrangement, is more important than the “market or altruism” debate&lt;/i&gt;

To allow such arrangements and organizations to evolve in a positive fashion, they must be legal in the first place. By completely prohibiting &quot;valuable consideration&quot; in exchange for organs, the law prohibits the development of social arrangements and organizations that would effectively mix altruism and other motives. The law, in other words, comes down on the side of the most simplistic version of &quot;altruism,&quot; with all sorts of perverse effects--the most important of which is an ever-growing waiting list of &lt;b&gt;68,000 kidney patients&lt;/b&gt; who could be helped by living donors. The &quot;markets&quot; that might develop if compensation were allowed are not denatured blackboard models; they would be embedded in all sorts of social, legal, and medical institutions. The transplant system is, for technical and financial reasons, extraordinarily complex--complexities that would not disappear if organ donors were paid. Donor motivations are equally complex. (Right now, of course, everyone but the donor gets paid. Nobody expects surgeons to work for purely altruistic motives.)  But you cannot discuss the sociology when you flatly prohibit the economics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>the particular form of market, or the particular form of other arrangement, is more important than the &#8220;market or altruism&#8221; debate</i></p>

	<p>To allow such arrangements and organizations to evolve in a positive fashion, they must be legal in the first place. By completely prohibiting &#8220;valuable consideration&#8221; in exchange for organs, the law prohibits the development of social arrangements and organizations that would effectively mix altruism and other motives. The law, in other words, comes down on the side of the most simplistic version of &#8220;altruism,&#8221; with all sorts of perverse effects&#8212;the most important of which is an ever-growing waiting list of <b>68,000 kidney patients</b> who could be helped by living donors. The &#8220;markets&#8221; that might develop if compensation were allowed are not denatured blackboard models; they would be embedded in all sorts of social, legal, and medical institutions. The transplant system is, for technical and financial reasons, extraordinarily complex&#8212;complexities that would not disappear if organ donors were paid. Donor motivations are equally complex. (Right now, of course, everyone but the donor gets paid. Nobody expects surgeons to work for purely altruistic motives.)  But you cannot discuss the sociology when you flatly prohibit the economics.</p>
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		<title>By: a very public sociologist</title>
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		<dc:creator>a very public sociologist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 15:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reply to dearleme there have been cases over the years where people have turned down blood transfusions and transplants on religious grounds. I can hazily recall a furore from years ago where parents refused such procedures for their child using these arguments. If memory serves the child was removed from their custody. Perhaps someone can help jog my memory?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>In reply to dearleme there have been cases over the years where people have turned down blood transfusions and transplants on religious grounds. I can hazily recall a furore from years ago where parents refused such procedures for their child using these arguments. If memory serves the child was removed from their custody. Perhaps someone can help jog my memory?</p>
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		<title>By: tom s.</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/27/last-best-gifts-in-the-nyt/comment-page-1/#comment-185175</link>
		<dc:creator>tom s.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 13:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Goodness. Anything but markets.&lt;/i&gt;

What I was &lt;i&gt;trying&lt;/i&gt; to say is that, from my reading, Last Best Gifts shows that the particular form of market, or the particular form of other arrangement, is more important than the &quot;market or altruism&quot; debate, and that &lt;i&gt;just&lt;/i&gt; saying &quot;Markets!&quot; or &quot;Altruism!&quot; doesn&#039;t even begin to address the crucial questions, which are ones of organization and structure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Goodness. Anything but markets.</i></p>

	<p>What I was <i>trying</i> to say is that, from my reading, Last Best Gifts shows that the particular form of market, or the particular form of other arrangement, is more important than the &#8220;market or altruism&#8221; debate, and that <i>just</i> saying &#8220;Markets!&#8221; or &#8220;Altruism!&#8221; doesn&#8217;t even begin to address the crucial questions, which are ones of organization and structure.</p>
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		<title>By: Consumatopia</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/27/last-best-gifts-in-the-nyt/comment-page-1/#comment-185157</link>
		<dc:creator>Consumatopia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 02:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;People appointed to public office by people like George W Bush should be in charge of seeing who should (and thus, who should not) be getting donated organs.&lt;/i&gt;

You might think you&#039;ve got a good case for markets, but actually you&#039;ve got a good case against them, unless you&#039;re prepared to argue that Bush&#039;s influence has somehow corrupted the transplant process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>People appointed to public office by people like George W Bush should be in charge of seeing who should (and thus, who should not) be getting donated organs.</i></p>

	<p>You might think you&#8217;ve got a good case for markets, but actually you&#8217;ve got a good case against them, unless you&#8217;re prepared to argue that Bush&#8217;s influence has somehow corrupted the transplant process.</p>
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		<title>By: P O'Neill</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/27/last-best-gifts-in-the-nyt/comment-page-1/#comment-185153</link>
		<dc:creator>P O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 00:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sales bounce will be another blog-worthy topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The sales bounce will be another blog-worthy topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaybird</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/27/last-best-gifts-in-the-nyt/comment-page-1/#comment-185150</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaybird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 23:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People appointed to public office by people like George W Bush should be in charge of seeing who should (and thus, who should not) be getting donated organs.

Any other way of doing it will skew things unfairly toward the wealthy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>People appointed to public office by people like George W Bush should be in charge of seeing who should (and thus, who should not) be getting donated organs.</p>

	<p>Any other way of doing it will skew things unfairly toward the wealthy.</p>
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		<title>By: DRR</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/27/last-best-gifts-in-the-nyt/comment-page-1/#comment-185148</link>
		<dc:creator>DRR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 23:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; This ending casts the debate back into the “role of markets” arena, which – it seems to me – the book shows is not the most important of questions. &lt;/i&gt;

Goodness. Anything but markets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i> This ending casts the debate back into the &#8220;role of markets&#8221; arena, which &#8211; it seems to me &#8211; the book shows is not the most important of questions. </i></p>

	<p>Goodness. Anything but markets.</p>
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		<title>By: Kieran Healy</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/27/last-best-gifts-in-the-nyt/comment-page-1/#comment-185145</link>
		<dc:creator>Kieran Healy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 22:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s why the University of Chicago Press is happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>That&#8217;s why the University of Chicago Press is happy.</p>
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		<title>By: DC</title>
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		<dc:creator>DC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 21:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I note that none of the listed reasons for your obvious delight are the possibility that you might shift some feckin&#039; books...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I note that none of the listed reasons for your obvious delight are the possibility that you might shift some feckin&#8217; books&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kieran Healy</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/27/last-best-gifts-in-the-nyt/comment-page-1/#comment-185140</link>
		<dc:creator>Kieran Healy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 20:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I’ve heard it said that, at least in Britain, some racial/ethnic/cultural groups are happy to accept transfusions and organs but reluctant to donate. Do you happen to know whether this is urban myth, or has some truth in it?&lt;/i&gt;

It depends which groups you mean, and where. In the U.S., African Americans are less likely than others to donate, but also less likely to be listed for or receive a transplant. (The reasons for this difference on both the supply and demand sides are disputed.) Elsewhere, in some communities (such as Orthodox Jews in Holland if I remember right) there as been some debate explictily raising the question of whether its right to receive transplants if  one is also unwilling, as a matter of religion, to donate organs. These cases are both different from the idea that some groups routinely or self-consciously receive without being willing to give, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I&#8217;ve heard it said that, at least in Britain, some racial/ethnic/cultural groups are happy to accept transfusions and organs but reluctant to donate. Do you happen to know whether this is urban myth, or has some truth in it?</i></p>

	<p>It depends which groups you mean, and where. In the U.S., African Americans are less likely than others to donate, but also less likely to be listed for or receive a transplant. (The reasons for this difference on both the supply and demand sides are disputed.) Elsewhere, in some communities (such as Orthodox Jews in Holland if I remember right) there as been some debate explictily raising the question of whether its right to receive transplants if  one is also unwilling, as a matter of religion, to donate organs. These cases are both different from the idea that some groups routinely or self-consciously receive without being willing to give, though.</p>
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		<title>By: tina</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/27/last-best-gifts-in-the-nyt/comment-page-1/#comment-185139</link>
		<dc:creator>tina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 20:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, a well-deserved review, indeed! Way to go, Kieran!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yes, a well-deserved review, indeed! Way to go, Kieran!</p>
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