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	<description>Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made</description>
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		<title>By: tom s.</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/28/storage/comment-page-1/#comment-185344</link>
		<dc:creator>tom s.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 00:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And so on, ad infinitum?&lt;/i&gt;

The ultimate storage technology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>And so on, ad infinitum?</i></p>

	<p>The ultimate storage technology.</p>
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		<title>By: Ajax</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/28/storage/comment-page-1/#comment-185291</link>
		<dc:creator>Ajax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;has one terabyte of storage space mounted in 2 RAID drives (I use them to back each other up).&quot; &lt;/i&gt;

Precisely how can two drives &quot;back each other up&quot;?  Does each drive contain a sub-drive which is a copy of the other drive?  If so, does each sub-drive contain a copy of the copy of itself which is contained on the other drive&#039;s sub-drive? And so on, ad infinitum? 

Do you really mean you back-up some third drive twice, once on each of these two drives?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>&#8220;has one terabyte of storage space mounted in 2 <span class="caps">RAID</span> drives (I use them to back each other up).&#8221; </i></p>

	<p>Precisely how can two drives &#8220;back each other up&#8221;?  Does each drive contain a sub-drive which is a copy of the other drive?  If so, does each sub-drive contain a copy of the copy of itself which is contained on the other drive&#8217;s sub-drive? And so on, ad infinitum?</p>

	<p>Do you really mean you back-up some third drive twice, once on each of these two drives?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Gardner</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/28/storage/comment-page-1/#comment-185280</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 15:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I video my ride to and from work just in case I need the footage after a crash.&quot;

God rest your soul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;I video my ride to and from work just in case I need the footage after a crash.&#8221;</p>

	<p>God rest your soul.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Gardner</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/28/storage/comment-page-1/#comment-185279</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m stunned that some of you have multiple terabytes of disc based storage. That&#039;s more or less  the size of our hospital&#039;s data warehouse (not counting the image data).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m stunned that some of you have multiple terabytes of disc based storage. That&#8217;s more or less  the size of our hospital&#8217;s data warehouse (not counting the image data).</p>
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		<title>By: MQ</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/28/storage/comment-page-1/#comment-185262</link>
		<dc:creator>MQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 06:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#10, you&#039;ve got to be kidding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>#10, you&#8217;ve got to be kidding.</p>
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		<title>By: nick s</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/28/storage/comment-page-1/#comment-185259</link>
		<dc:creator>nick s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 04:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;personal photographs generally have zero value to anybody other than the owners.&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s my point: when they do, they do in big ways that don&#039;t fit the discrete private/public model. There&#039;s a reason why the redtops in Britain employed the services of someone famous for searching through bins for scraps of personal information.

Consider the swarm effect when a group of people on the internets want to find out about someone based upon a few scraps of public data, which can then lead to online spoors.

Even without the bits to which you ascribe value -- in essence, the stuff of financial life -- my guess is that the contents of one&#039;s hard drive can be used in very uncomfortable ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>personal photographs generally have zero value to anybody other than the owners.</i></p>

	<p>That&#8217;s my point: when they do, they do in big ways that don&#8217;t fit the discrete private/public model. There&#8217;s a reason why the redtops in Britain employed the services of someone famous for searching through bins for scraps of personal information.</p>

	<p>Consider the swarm effect when a group of people on the internets want to find out about someone based upon a few scraps of public data, which can then lead to online spoors.</p>

	<p>Even without the bits to which you ascribe value&#8212;in essence, the stuff of financial life&#8212;my guess is that the contents of one&#8217;s hard drive can be used in very uncomfortable ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Slocum</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/28/storage/comment-page-1/#comment-185249</link>
		<dc:creator>Slocum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 22:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If someone gets hold of my credit card number, it’s a very real pain in the arse, but if someone nabs my photos, that’s a personal intrusion.&lt;/i&gt;

I suppose -- but there&#039;s really very little motive for somebody to nab your family snapshots.  Unlike account numbers, credit histories, and medical records, personal photographs generally have zero value to anybody other than the owners.

&lt;i&gt;(Consider the emotional impact of robberies: the violation of sentimental items hits much harder than the loss of cash and prizes.)&lt;/i&gt;

Yes -- losing irreplaceable items has a special impact, but when we&#039;re talking about digital images, there generally is no single copy that can be stolen.  If thieves made off with copies of my vacation photos, I wouldn&#039;t much care, because I&#039;d still have copies myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>If someone gets hold of my credit card number, it&#8217;s a very real pain in the arse, but if someone nabs my photos, that&#8217;s a personal intrusion.</i></p>

	<p>I suppose&#8212;but there&#8217;s really very little motive for somebody to nab your family snapshots.  Unlike account numbers, credit histories, and medical records, personal photographs generally have zero value to anybody other than the owners.</p>

	<p><i>(Consider the emotional impact of robberies: the violation of sentimental items hits much harder than the loss of cash and prizes.)</i></p>

	<p>Yes&#8212;losing irreplaceable items has a special impact, but when we&#8217;re talking about digital images, there generally is no single copy that can be stolen.  If thieves made off with copies of my vacation photos, I wouldn&#8217;t much care, because I&#8217;d still have copies myself.</p>
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		<title>By: tom s.</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/28/storage/comment-page-1/#comment-185245</link>
		<dc:creator>tom s.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If my understanding that storage technology has yet to hit a brick wall is correct&quot;

It is correct, if Fujitsu are to be trusted.

&quot;Fujitsu has developed a technique it claims will allow the company to produce hard drives with an areal data density of 1Tb per square inch - almost seven times the density of today&#039;s latest perpendicular-recording hard drives.&quot;

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/01/25/fujitsu_1tbpsi_hdd_breakthrough/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;If my understanding that storage technology has yet to hit a brick wall is correct&#8221;</p>

	<p>It is correct, if Fujitsu are to be trusted.</p>

	<p>&#8220;Fujitsu has developed a technique it claims will allow the company to produce hard drives with an areal data density of 1Tb per square inch &#8211; almost seven times the density of today&#8217;s latest perpendicular-recording hard drives.&#8221;</p>

	<p><a href="http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/01/25/fujitsu_1tbpsi_hdd_breakthrough/" rel="nofollow">http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/01/25/fujitsu_1tbpsi_hdd_breakthrough/</a></p>
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		<title>By: nick s</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/28/storage/comment-page-1/#comment-185244</link>
		<dc:creator>nick s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And I question that this explosion in capacity has many implications for privacy. The kind of data we worry about with respect to privacy (names, credit card numbers, financial transactions, medical histories, etc) are simple text and, therefore, very compact to store.&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s a very selective definition. Discrete low-level personal information has fairly discrete privacy value, but it&#039;s the stuff that &lt;i&gt;doesn&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; come with a keep-secret warning that&#039;s much more troubling, particularly given the blurring of public and private online.

If someone gets hold of my credit card number, it&#039;s a very real pain in the arse, but if someone nabs my photos, that&#039;s a personal intrusion. (Consider the emotional impact of robberies: the violation of sentimental items hits much harder than the loss of cash and prizes.)

[On the one hand, digital photography makes it less likely that a mother will get a visit from the local plod because someone at Boots took offence at the bathtime-playtime photos of her children. That&#039;s a gain of privacy. On the other hand... etc.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>And I question that this explosion in capacity has many implications for privacy. The kind of data we worry about with respect to privacy (names, credit card numbers, financial transactions, medical histories, etc) are simple text and, therefore, very compact to store.</i></p>

	<p>That&#8217;s a very selective definition. Discrete low-level personal information has fairly discrete privacy value, but it&#8217;s the stuff that <i>doesn&#8217;t</i> come with a keep-secret warning that&#8217;s much more troubling, particularly given the blurring of public and private online.</p>

	<p>If someone gets hold of my credit card number, it&#8217;s a very real pain in the arse, but if someone nabs my photos, that&#8217;s a personal intrusion. (Consider the emotional impact of robberies: the violation of sentimental items hits much harder than the loss of cash and prizes.)</p>

	<p>[On the one hand, digital photography makes it less likely that a mother will get a visit from the local plod because someone at Boots took offence at the bathtime-playtime photos of her children. That&#8217;s a gain of privacy. On the other hand&#8230; etc.]</p>
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		<title>By: Cranky Observer</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/28/storage/comment-page-1/#comment-185238</link>
		<dc:creator>Cranky Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; Keep up, all you grandpas…we measure
&gt;  storage in “songs” now.

Good point - I haven&#039;t actually seen a 1-page memo in 10 years.

Cranky</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>> Keep up, all you grandpas&#8230;we measure<br />
>  storage in &#8220;songs&#8221; now.</p>

	<p>Good point &#8211; I haven&#8217;t actually seen a 1-page memo in 10 years.</p>

	<p>Cranky</p>
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		<title>By: Tim McG</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/28/storage/comment-page-1/#comment-185236</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim McG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And &quot;song&quot; of course, means what those of us born in the seventies call &quot;music video.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>And &#8220;song&#8221; of course, means what those of us born in the seventies call &#8220;music video.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: tps12</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/28/storage/comment-page-1/#comment-185231</link>
		<dc:creator>tps12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 14:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep up, all you grandpas...we measure storage in &quot;songs&quot; now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Keep up, all you grandpas&#8230;we measure storage in &#8220;songs&#8221; now.</p>
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		<title>By: Slocum</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/28/storage/comment-page-1/#comment-185230</link>
		<dc:creator>Slocum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 14:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;This is true in a literal sense, but ignores the fact that consumers in the early 80s were using video tapes, audio cassettes, arcades, and boxes of photos for the sort of “information storage” that tends to comprise the better part of the “data” on hard drives containing more than 100GB or so of the stuff these days.&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, exactly -- the vast majority of that storage will be used for digital image, audio, and video data that used to be stored in analog form.  And the amount of information stored in the old forms was not necessarily much lower (when you consider analog video tapes vs DV and 35mm film negatives vs digital camera images).

And I question that this explosion in capacity has many implications for privacy.  The kind of data we worry about with respect to privacy (names, credit card numbers, financial transactions, medical histories, etc) are simple text and, therefore, very compact to store.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>This is true in a literal sense, but ignores the fact that consumers in the early 80s were using video tapes, audio cassettes, arcades, and boxes of photos for the sort of &#8220;information storage&#8221; that tends to comprise the better part of the &#8220;data&#8221; on hard drives containing more than 100GB or so of the stuff these days.</i></p>

	<p>Yes, exactly&#8212;the vast majority of that storage will be used for digital image, audio, and video data that used to be stored in analog form.  And the amount of information stored in the old forms was not necessarily much lower (when you consider analog video tapes vs DV and 35mm film negatives vs digital camera images).</p>

	<p>And I question that this explosion in capacity has many implications for privacy.  The kind of data we worry about with respect to privacy (names, credit card numbers, financial transactions, medical histories, etc) are simple text and, therefore, very compact to store.</p>
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		<title>By: tom brandt</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/28/storage/comment-page-1/#comment-185229</link>
		<dc:creator>tom brandt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 14:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the Winchester&#039;s model number was 3030.

I remember specing out a minicomputer (remember them?) in 1978. Main memory cost $1/byte. That means my PC has $1 billion worth of memory on it in 1978 terms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yes, the Winchester&#8217;s model number was 3030.</p>

	<p>I remember specing out a minicomputer (remember them?) in 1978. Main memory cost $1/byte. That means my PC has $1 billion worth of memory on it in 1978 terms.</p>
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		<title>By: John Quiggin</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/01/28/storage/comment-page-1/#comment-185228</link>
		<dc:creator>John Quiggin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 14:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Winchester was 3030, wasn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Winchester was 3030, wasn&#8217;t it?</p>
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