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	<title>Comments on: The fall and fall of the House of Sadr</title>
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		<title>By: George W</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/02/27/the-fall-and-fall-of-the-house-of-sadr/comment-page-1/#comment-188702</link>
		<dc:creator>George W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 03:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I was aiming for more ambiguity than that; I did describe it as my recollection, and things change fast in this war.  Just now I did a quick search of &quot;sadr iran&quot; and came up with a stew of conflicting viewpoints on this topic, including many that certainly don&#039;t come from Administration sources.  For instance, a year ago Al Jazeera ran a report that Sadr had pledged to defend Iran if it were attacked, e.g. by the US.  Does that indicate Sadr is pro-Iran or is backed by Iran?  No, not necessarily, but it makes it hard to describe Sadr as particularly anti-Iran.  (link: http://english.aljazeera.net/English/archive/archive?ArchiveId=18043)  (This interview was also blogged much more extensively by your man Juan Cole.  In his transcription I found a rather amazing assertion by Sadr that military resistance against the occupation had &quot;failed&quot; and that Sadr was 100% political now.  Link: http://www.juancole.com/2006/02/muqtada-al-sadr-on-aljazeera-ready-to.html).  

I also found an analysis from last fall on antiwar.com that describes Sadr as one of Iran&#039;s &quot;Iraqi Shi&#039;ite political-military allies&quot; (link: http://www.antiwar.com/orig/porter.php?articleid=9724).  (Incidentally, this article also supports your position that Sadr is the main power in Iraq today.)  

On the other hand, an older analysis on tompaine.com, written by an editor for The Nation, says &quot;Sadr’s relationship with Iran is unclear,&quot; with both evidence for and against the connection -- mostly against.  (link: http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2005/09/22/badr_vs_sadr.php)  (This article, by the way, also forthrightly describes Sadr as having &quot;launched&quot; two battles against American forces.)  

And of course there are a raft of right-of-center sources that describe Sadr as Iran&#039;s proxy, but I assumed you would dismiss these with a wave of your mouse (quite legitimately, in may cases).   

Who&#039;s right, if anybody?  I certainly don&#039;t know, but it seems safe to say that this issue (and every other one I mentioned) is quite disputed, and *not* just by the White House.  Interestingly, though, the one position not represented in my unscientific sample is that Sadr is &quot;the most anti-Iranian of the major Shiites leaders,&quot; which, as you assert, is the position of those who know anything.  Even a quick perusal of Juan Cole&#039;s site did not turn up support for this idea, though Cole does say that &quot;of all the major Shiite fo[r]ces, the Sadrists are the least close to Iran&quot; (not quite the same thing).  (Link: http://www.juancole.com/2006/01/muqtada-pledges-defense-of-iran-from.html)

John Q, I am not trying to trot out a battery of selectively culled web quotes to support one specific position, in the manner of your garden-variety comment troll.  In fact I am trying to do the opposite; very little in this conflict can be &quot;proved&quot; one way or the other.  I find your smug assertion of a single (and facile) interpretation of events to be galling.  (Though to be fair, there&#039;s not as much hard evidence against your interpretation as there is against Glenn Reynolds&#039;.  So your original criticism is apt.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Well I was aiming for more ambiguity than that; I did describe it as my recollection, and things change fast in this war.  Just now I did a quick search of &#8220;sadr iran&#8221; and came up with a stew of conflicting viewpoints on this topic, including many that certainly don&#8217;t come from Administration sources.  For instance, a year ago Al Jazeera ran a report that Sadr had pledged to defend Iran if it were attacked, e.g. by the US.  Does that indicate Sadr is pro-Iran or is backed by Iran?  No, not necessarily, but it makes it hard to describe Sadr as particularly anti-Iran.  (link: <a href="http://english.aljazeera.net/English/archive/archive?ArchiveId=18043)" rel="nofollow">http://english.aljazeera.net/English/archive/archive?ArchiveId=18043)</a>  (This interview was also blogged much more extensively by your man Juan Cole.  In his transcription I found a rather amazing assertion by Sadr that military resistance against the occupation had &#8220;failed&#8221; and that Sadr was 100% political now.  Link: <a href="http://www.juancole.com/2006/02/muqtada-al-sadr-on-aljazeera-ready-to.html)" rel="nofollow">http://www.juancole.com/2006/02/muqtada-al-sadr-on-aljazeera-ready-to.html)</a>.</p>

	<p>I also found an analysis from last fall on antiwar.com that describes Sadr as one of Iran&#8217;s &#8220;Iraqi Shi&#8217;ite political-military allies&#8221; (link: <a href="http://www.antiwar.com/orig/porter.php?articleid=9724)" rel="nofollow">http://www.antiwar.com/orig/porter.php?articleid=9724)</a>.  (Incidentally, this article also supports your position that Sadr is the main power in Iraq today.)</p>

	<p>On the other hand, an older analysis on tompaine.com, written by an editor for The Nation, says &#8220;Sadr&#8217;s relationship with Iran is unclear,&#8221; with both evidence for and against the connection&#8212;mostly against.  (link: <a href="http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2005/09/22/badr_vs_sadr.php)" rel="nofollow">http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2005/09/22/badr_vs_sadr.php)</a>  (This article, by the way, also forthrightly describes Sadr as having &#8220;launched&#8221; two battles against American forces.)</p>

	<p>And of course there are a raft of right-of-center sources that describe Sadr as Iran&#8217;s proxy, but I assumed you would dismiss these with a wave of your mouse (quite legitimately, in may cases).</p>

	<p>Who&#8217;s right, if anybody?  I certainly don&#8217;t know, but it seems safe to say that this issue (and every other one I mentioned) is quite disputed, and <strong>not</strong> just by the White House.  Interestingly, though, the one position not represented in my unscientific sample is that Sadr is &#8220;the most anti-Iranian of the major Shiites leaders,&#8221; which, as you assert, is the position of those who know anything.  Even a quick perusal of Juan Cole&#8217;s site did not turn up support for this idea, though Cole does say that &#8220;of all the major Shiite fo&#174;ces, the Sadrists are the least close to Iran&#8221; (not quite the same thing).  (Link: <a href="http://www.juancole.com/2006/01/muqtada-pledges-defense-of-iran-from.html)" rel="nofollow">http://www.juancole.com/2006/01/muqtada-pledges-defense-of-iran-from.html)</a></p>

	<p>John Q, I am not trying to trot out a battery of selectively culled web quotes to support one specific position, in the manner of your garden-variety comment troll.  In fact I am trying to do the opposite; very little in this conflict can be &#8220;proved&#8221; one way or the other.  I find your smug assertion of a single (and facile) interpretation of events to be galling.  (Though to be fair, there&#8217;s not as much hard evidence against your interpretation as there is against Glenn Reynolds&#8217;.  So your original criticism is apt.)</p>
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		<title>By: John Quiggin</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/02/27/the-fall-and-fall-of-the-house-of-sadr/comment-page-1/#comment-188691</link>
		<dc:creator>John Quiggin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 00:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry if you feel I haven&#039;t taken you seriously, but your opening description of Sadr as pro-Iranian was so far off the mark as to suggest a very limited set of sources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m sorry if you feel I haven&#8217;t taken you seriously, but your opening description of Sadr as pro-Iranian was so far off the mark as to suggest a very limited set of sources.</p>
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		<title>By: George W</title>
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		<dc:creator>George W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 04:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually I&#039;m not, at least not intentionally.  The Bush White House is hardly credible in these matters.  (Incidentally, if a story is sourced to a US military official, particularly one in Iraq, it&#039;s not necessarily the Administration&#039;s vetted line.  It&#039;s tempting to think the US works like that, but it doesn&#039;t.  Not all the time, anyways.)  I do read a variety of news sources, and what I&#039;ve read on Sadr is conflicting.  One could read the tea leaves of events to say that Sadr is on the verge of being run out of town on a rail, or that he is the most powerul man in Iraq (though I can&#039;t say I have seen much to support the notion that he is a &quot;&quot;force for stability&quot;).  In asking the question, I was hoping for perhaps some kind of knowledgeable analysis, from maybe someone who does know a bit about what&#039;s going on, not regurgitated third-hand blog blather or this my-side, your-side shite.  Forget I said anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Actually I&#8217;m not, at least not intentionally.  The Bush White House is hardly credible in these matters.  (Incidentally, if a story is sourced to a US military official, particularly one in Iraq, it&#8217;s not necessarily the Administration&#8217;s vetted line.  It&#8217;s tempting to think the US works like that, but it doesn&#8217;t.  Not all the time, anyways.)  I do read a variety of news sources, and what I&#8217;ve read on Sadr is conflicting.  One could read the tea leaves of events to say that Sadr is on the verge of being run out of town on a rail, or that he is the most powerul man in Iraq (though I can&#8217;t say I have seen much to support the notion that he is a &#8220;&#8221;force for stability&#8221;).  In asking the question, I was hoping for perhaps some kind of knowledgeable analysis, from maybe someone who does know a bit about what&#8217;s going on, not regurgitated third-hand blog blather or this my-side, your-side shite.  Forget I said anything.</p>
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		<title>By: John Quiggin</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/02/27/the-fall-and-fall-of-the-house-of-sadr/comment-page-1/#comment-188633</link>
		<dc:creator>John Quiggin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 04:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Certainly, they are disputed. You are apparently relying on the US Administration, while I&#039;m relying mainly on Juan Cole and on direct reports from Reuters and similar. Again, history speaks for itself. If your sources had been right even 10 per cent of the time, the war would be over by now.

Feel free to point out an occasion on which the Administration has been proved right on Iraq on any disputed point (suggestions: WMDs, AQ links, &quot;mission accomplished&quot;, dead-enders, Allawi, Chalabhi, &quot;good news from Iraq&quot; in general). Then of course, there&#039;s the point on which this thread began.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Certainly, they are disputed. You are apparently relying on the <span class="caps">US </span>Administration, while I&#8217;m relying mainly on Juan Cole and on direct reports from Reuters and similar. Again, history speaks for itself. If your sources had been right even 10 per cent of the time, the war would be over by now.</p>

	<p>Feel free to point out an occasion on which the Administration has been proved right on Iraq on any disputed point (suggestions: WMDs, AQ links, &#8220;mission accomplished&#8221;, dead-enders, Allawi, Chalabhi, &#8220;good news from Iraq&#8221; in general). Then of course, there&#8217;s the point on which this thread began.</p>
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		<title>By: George W</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/02/27/the-fall-and-fall-of-the-house-of-sadr/comment-page-1/#comment-188603</link>
		<dc:creator>George W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 21:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All these points are of course disputed.  As I say, I don&#039;t know the truth, and neither do you; amusing to see you describe yourself as someone who does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>All these points are of course disputed.  As I say, I don&#8217;t know the truth, and neither do you; amusing to see you describe yourself as someone who does.</p>
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		<title>By: John Quiggin</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/02/27/the-fall-and-fall-of-the-house-of-sadr/comment-page-1/#comment-188562</link>
		<dc:creator>John Quiggin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 04:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George, your history is incorrect in lots of respects. For example, Sadr has always been known (at least by those who knew anything) as the most anti-Iranian of the major Shiites leaders. And of course, the stuff about him fleeing the country was more nonsense - he has shown the ability to avoid US forces without leaving Iraq in the past. And, most importantly, it wasn&#039;t Sadr who launched mini-wars against the US, but vice versa. As regards who got &quot;swatted down&quot;, the history speaks for itself, I think.

To answer your last question, even if you think war to overthrow Saddam Hussein was justified, how can you justify a war against a political movement like Sadr&#039;s, which had no particular quarrel with the US until they turned up in Iraq.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>George, your history is incorrect in lots of respects. For example, Sadr has always been known (at least by those who knew anything) as the most anti-Iranian of the major Shiites leaders. And of course, the stuff about him fleeing the country was more nonsense &#8211; he has shown the ability to avoid US forces without leaving Iraq in the past. And, most importantly, it wasn&#8217;t Sadr who launched mini-wars against the US, but vice versa. As regards who got &#8220;swatted down&#8221;, the history speaks for itself, I think.</p>

	<p>To answer your last question, even if you think war to overthrow Saddam Hussein was justified, how can you justify a war against a political movement like Sadr&#8217;s, which had no particular quarrel with the US until they turned up in Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: George W</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/02/27/the-fall-and-fall-of-the-house-of-sadr/comment-page-1/#comment-188525</link>
		<dc:creator>George W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 21:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Q: I think Sadr was &quot;demonised from the start&quot; because he wanted to make Iraq a Shiite theocracy.  And my recollection is that he used to be (thought to be) pretty pro-Iran.  So the Coalition cast their lot with Sistani instead, the &quot;quietist,&quot; who seemed much more in favor of democracy and against Iranian influence.  Of all the decisions made by the US/Coalition in this war, the decision to play nice with Sistani seems like of the least bad, and maybe actually good.  

Sadr, meanwhile, launched two mini-wars agains Coalition forces, intended (I suspect) to result in Sadr as some sort of Iraqi ayatollah.  Both were swatted down.  So he turned to politics, where he&#039;s been more successful.  He&#039;s routinely described as Maliki&#039;s most important source of support, ergo untouchable.  Ideally the leader of a political bloc would not have a private army, but as you say he may be no more nefarious than any other militia leader -- if more powerful, and therefore more danderous.  But now, if he&#039;s really fled the country, the political tide may have also turned.  

I don&#039;t know the real answer of course.  Maybe he&#039;ll be back, stronger than before.  But it does seem like the years-long effort to sideline a potentially very dangerous piece of the Iraqi puzzle may be getting somewhere.  

Incidentally, what about the US&#039;s dealings with Sadr represents a war crime?  Unless you consider the whole affair a war crime, as many clearly do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>John Q: I think Sadr was &#8220;demonised from the start&#8221; because he wanted to make Iraq a Shiite theocracy.  And my recollection is that he used to be (thought to be) pretty pro-Iran.  So the Coalition cast their lot with Sistani instead, the &#8220;quietist,&#8221; who seemed much more in favor of democracy and against Iranian influence.  Of all the decisions made by the US/Coalition in this war, the decision to play nice with Sistani seems like of the least bad, and maybe actually good.</p>

	<p>Sadr, meanwhile, launched two mini-wars agains Coalition forces, intended (I suspect) to result in Sadr as some sort of Iraqi ayatollah.  Both were swatted down.  So he turned to politics, where he&#8217;s been more successful.  He&#8217;s routinely described as Maliki&#8217;s most important source of support, ergo untouchable.  Ideally the leader of a political bloc would not have a private army, but as you say he may be no more nefarious than any other militia leader&#8212;if more powerful, and therefore more danderous.  But now, if he&#8217;s really fled the country, the political tide may have also turned.</p>

	<p>I don&#8217;t know the real answer of course.  Maybe he&#8217;ll be back, stronger than before.  But it does seem like the years-long effort to sideline a potentially very dangerous piece of the Iraqi puzzle may be getting somewhere.</p>

	<p>Incidentally, what about the US&#8217;s dealings with Sadr represents a war crime?  Unless you consider the whole affair a war crime, as many clearly do.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 14:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>InstaPundit 2014: &quot;THE INCREASINGLY IRRELEVANT Iraqi Prime Minister, Moqtada al-Sadr...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>InstaPundit 2014: &#8220;THE <span class="caps">INCREASINGLY IRRELEVANT </span>Iraqi Prime Minister, Moqtada al-Sadr&#8230;&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: LWM</title>
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		<dc:creator>LWM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 13:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;As I remember, crime rates actually did rise pretty steadily for about ten years after 1968, but have been flat, fluctuating, or declining ever since.&lt;/i&gt;


Crime rates did rise during that period. It was a function of two contemporaneous statistical factors. First, the UCR, (Uniform Crime Reports) are voluntary and during that period more police agencies collected and reported their stats. But secondly and more importantly, the baby boomers came of age. Take a guess which age demographic is most likely to commit crimes. 14 to 45 is the prime crime committing demographic. After that, even hard core offenders tend to taper off. If you want to be picky about it, adjusting for these two statistical blips, crime rates have pretty much remained constant over time. Getting &quot;tough on rampant crime&quot; is just a political scam. They figured out long before 9/11 that fear is an excellent political tool and  motivator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>As I remember, crime rates actually did rise pretty steadily for about ten years after 1968, but have been flat, fluctuating, or declining ever since.</i></p>


	<p>Crime rates did rise during that period. It was a function of two contemporaneous statistical factors. First, the <span class="caps">UCR</span>, (Uniform Crime Reports) are voluntary and during that period more police agencies collected and reported their stats. But secondly and more importantly, the baby boomers came of age. Take a guess which age demographic is most likely to commit crimes. 14 to 45 is the prime crime committing demographic. After that, even hard core offenders tend to taper off. If you want to be picky about it, adjusting for these two statistical blips, crime rates have pretty much remained constant over time. Getting &#8220;tough on rampant crime&#8221; is just a political scam. They figured out long before 9/11 that fear is an excellent political tool and  motivator.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Kvetch</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/02/27/the-fall-and-fall-of-the-house-of-sadr/comment-page-1/#comment-188390</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle Kvetch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 13:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Who gives a shit what Reynolds thinks? It’s not like he’s serious, anyway.&lt;/i&gt;

Apparently the people who repeatedly book him on TV and radio shows, in which he is referred to as one of the US&#039;s most important political bloggers, give a shit.

Reynolds may not be &quot;serious,&quot; but the &quot;ignore them and they&#039;ll go away&quot; strategy just isn&#039;t going to cut it here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Who gives a shit what Reynolds thinks? It&#8217;s not like he&#8217;s serious, anyway.</i></p>

	<p>Apparently the people who repeatedly book him on TV and radio shows, in which he is referred to as one of the US&#8217;s most important political bloggers, give a shit.</p>

	<p>Reynolds may not be &#8220;serious,&#8221; but the &#8220;ignore them and they&#8217;ll go away&#8221; strategy just isn&#8217;t going to cut it here.</p>
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		<title>By: John Quiggin</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Quiggin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 09:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#23 As various people have pointed out, Sadr was demonised from the start for no good reason. Not that he&#039;s a beacon of light or anything, but he&#039;s no worse than any of the other militia leaders. The US decision to make war on him and his followers was both a war crime and a disastrous error.

Of course, now he is, if anything, a force for stability, using the &quot;surge&quot; to rid himself of some of his more out-of-control subordinates, while he waits for inevitable withdrawal.

#24 I don&#039;t know who, but there are enough of them to make him #20 on the Technorati list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>#23 As various people have pointed out, Sadr was demonised from the start for no good reason. Not that he&#8217;s a beacon of light or anything, but he&#8217;s no worse than any of the other militia leaders. The US decision to make war on him and his followers was both a war crime and a disastrous error.</p>

	<p>Of course, now he is, if anything, a force for stability, using the &#8220;surge&#8221; to rid himself of some of his more out-of-control subordinates, while he waits for inevitable withdrawal.</p>

	<p>#24 I don&#8217;t know who, but there are enough of them to make him #20 on the Technorati list.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 06:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment No. 8 is spot-on. Who gives a shit what Reynolds thinks? It&#039;s not like he&#039;s serious, anyway. You may as well mock a 12-year-old online gamer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Comment No. 8 is spot-on. Who gives a shit what Reynolds thinks? It&#8217;s not like he&#8217;s serious, anyway. You may as well mock a 12-year-old online gamer.</p>
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		<title>By: George W</title>
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		<dc:creator>George W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 04:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking to the original post, what *is* the real status of Sadr these days?  Maybe GR has been too eager to conclude he&#039;s finished (or at least to pass on that conclusion when made by others) but it does seem like Sadr has gradually become less and less of a risk -- even if he hasn&#039;t been entirely put to bed, and may never be.  

My usual disclaimer: I don&#039;t claim to be an expert on Iraq, only a newspaper reader.  But many who do claim to be experts have wildly divergent opinions on this, generally correlated with whether the opinion-holder wishes the Iraq enterprise to go well or go poorly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Speaking to the original post, what <strong>is</strong> the real status of Sadr these days?  Maybe GR has been too eager to conclude he&#8217;s finished (or at least to pass on that conclusion when made by others) but it does seem like Sadr has gradually become less and less of a risk&#8212;even if he hasn&#8217;t been entirely put to bed, and may never be.</p>

	<p>My usual disclaimer: I don&#8217;t claim to be an expert on Iraq, only a newspaper reader.  But many who do claim to be experts have wildly divergent opinions on this, generally correlated with whether the opinion-holder wishes the Iraq enterprise to go well or go poorly.</p>
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		<title>By: John Emerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 23:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, there are some people who have been talking about rising crime continuously since 1968. Most of them have also been talking about the decline of education during most of that time. 

Glenn Reynolds resembles those people in that he&#039;s been talking about declining Bani Sadr for five or so years ago.

It may be that there are less of them now than ten years ago, and they don&#039;t control the major media, but my guess is that Op-Ed writers fall into the category I described now and then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>OK, there are some people who have been talking about rising crime continuously since 1968. Most of them have also been talking about the decline of education during most of that time.</p>

	<p>Glenn Reynolds resembles those people in that he&#8217;s been talking about declining Bani Sadr for five or so years ago.</p>

	<p>It may be that there are less of them now than ten years ago, and they don&#8217;t control the major media, but my guess is that Op-Ed writers fall into the category I described now and then.</p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
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		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, crime may still be rising, only it&#039;s rising inside the jails. Two million plus people in a mostly hobbesian setting will do plenty of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Actually, crime may still be rising, only it&#8217;s rising inside the jails. Two million plus people in a mostly hobbesian setting will do plenty of it.</p>
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