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		<title>By: abhi</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/03/15/pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-190384</link>
		<dc:creator>abhi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Dennis, India is highly unlikely to attack Pakistan, it hasn&#039;t done it during the Kargil misadventure by Pakistan...India has never adopted the policy of hot pursuit in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir even after having evidence that terror camps supported by Pakistani army are run there, and on a side note, calling India a Hindu (or wrongly Hindi) state is not only wrong but gross misrepresentation of its secular status.

And I don&#039;t think Pakistan feels any threat from China, in fact those two countries have very strong strategic ties, but of course if religious fundamentalist become more dominant in Pakistan then it can loose support of both US and China (who have their own troubles with Islamic separatists).
The best strategy for Pakistan right now is to have a democratically elected government, reign in madrasa&#039;s and other sources which propagate fundamentalism and become economically important for the west rather than being only of strategic importance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>To Dennis, India is highly unlikely to attack Pakistan, it hasn&#8217;t done it during the Kargil misadventure by Pakistan&#8230;India has never adopted the policy of hot pursuit in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir even after having evidence that terror camps supported by Pakistani army are run there, and on a side note, calling India a Hindu (or wrongly Hindi) state is not only wrong but gross misrepresentation of its secular status.</p>

	<p>And I don&#8217;t think Pakistan feels any threat from China, in fact those two countries have very strong strategic ties, but of course if religious fundamentalist become more dominant in Pakistan then it can loose support of both US and China (who have their own troubles with Islamic separatists).<br />
The best strategy for Pakistan right now is to have a democratically elected government, reign in madrasa&#8217;s and other sources which propagate fundamentalism and become economically important for the west rather than being only of strategic importance.</p>
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		<title>By: stuart</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/03/15/pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-190301</link>
		<dc:creator>stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2007 17:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the cricket, I agree - one of the biggest upsets of modern cricket and cant see that there will be a lot of casualties for such an embarassment...makes Englands travails look minor (unless they manage to lose to Canada today).

Regarding the politics, Bush has the problem that he has continually pushed for simple minded politics and good/bad dichotomies, rather than taking a more nuanced and complex view of shifting alliances that only last as long as they are useful. Pakistan was clearly given the green light and treated as an ally as they agreed to have a go at dislodging the &#039;turrists&#039; in the northern parts of their country. Fair enough, but seeing as they couldnt achieve that - and its somewhat questionable how hard they tried, although its doubtful they could have had absolute success either way due to their limited military and civil intelligence, and an army not really set up for the task in hand.

Of course since they agreed a truce, the alliance should be over and they can return to being treated like any other moderately oppressive (from my understanding) dictatorship which could do with being pushed to a more representative governmental form - obviously as they are nuclear, most of the pressure has to come via encouraging internal pressure, which is generally a better way of operating in my view anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Regarding the cricket, I agree &#8211; one of the biggest upsets of modern cricket and cant see that there will be a lot of casualties for such an embarassment&#8230;makes Englands travails look minor (unless they manage to lose to Canada today).</p>

	<p>Regarding the politics, Bush has the problem that he has continually pushed for simple minded politics and good/bad dichotomies, rather than taking a more nuanced and complex view of shifting alliances that only last as long as they are useful. Pakistan was clearly given the green light and treated as an ally as they agreed to have a go at dislodging the &#8216;turrists&#8217; in the northern parts of their country. Fair enough, but seeing as they couldnt achieve that &#8211; and its somewhat questionable how hard they tried, although its doubtful they could have had absolute success either way due to their limited military and civil intelligence, and an army not really set up for the task in hand.</p>

	<p>Of course since they agreed a truce, the alliance should be over and they can return to being treated like any other moderately oppressive (from my understanding) dictatorship which could do with being pushed to a more representative governmental form &#8211; obviously as they are nuclear, most of the pressure has to come via encouraging internal pressure, which is generally a better way of operating in my view anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: j&#38;w</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/03/15/pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-190254</link>
		<dc:creator>j&#38;w</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2007 03:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know - I read the first couple of lines and thought it was a cricket post too ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I know &#8211; I read the first couple of lines and thought it was a cricket post too &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Giles</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/03/15/pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-190224</link>
		<dc:creator>Giles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 20:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed 132 all out 

If this does cause Musharaff to resign I dont know what will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Indeed 132 all out</p>

	<p>If this does cause Musharaff to resign I dont know what will.</p>
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		<title>By: K R Hasan</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/03/15/pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-190211</link>
		<dc:creator>K R Hasan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 18:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a much more serious matter afoot - Ireland are on the verge of creating history and defeating Pakistan in the World Cup</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>There&#8217;s a much more serious matter afoot &#8211; Ireland are on the verge of creating history and defeating Pakistan in the World Cup</p>
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		<title>By: Ron F</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/03/15/pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-190209</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 17:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hidari writes (sardonically):

&lt;i&gt;You would almost think there was one law for American client states, and one law for the rest of us.&lt;/i&gt;

A good example might be the fact that President Bush is &lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/25yz5p&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;opposing&lt;/a&gt; a bill which would link military aid for Pakistan to its efforts to tackle the Taliban.  

That&#039;s military aid to a nuclear-armed military dictatorship which, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/pakistan/Story/0,,1890893,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;according&lt;/a&gt; to NATO&#039;s former supreme commander General James Jones, allows the Taliban to base their headquarters in the Pakistani city of Quetta, and which recently signed a peace deal with the Taliban&#039;s allies and hosts in Waziristan.

So President Bush is happy to supply weapons to a nuclear-armed dictatorship that is supporting the very people killing American and British troops in Afghanistan.

Now contrast that with policy toward Iran.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hidari writes (sardonically):</p>

	<p><i>You would almost think there was one law for American client states, and one law for the rest of us.</i></p>

	<p>A good example might be the fact that President Bush is <a href="http://tinyurl.com/25yz5p" rel="nofollow">opposing</a> a bill which would link military aid for Pakistan to its efforts to tackle the Taliban.</p>

	<p>That&#8217;s military aid to a nuclear-armed military dictatorship which, <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/pakistan/Story/0,,1890893,00.html" rel="nofollow">according</a> to <span class="caps">NATO</span>&#8217;s former supreme commander General James Jones, allows the Taliban to base their headquarters in the Pakistani city of Quetta, and which recently signed a peace deal with the Taliban&#8217;s allies and hosts in Waziristan.</p>

	<p>So President Bush is happy to supply weapons to a nuclear-armed dictatorship that is supporting the very people killing American and British troops in Afghanistan.</p>

	<p>Now contrast that with policy toward Iran.</p>
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		<title>By: Umar</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/03/15/pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-190182</link>
		<dc:creator>Umar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 07:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@quo vadis

I think you missed the word &#039;completely&#039; in my sentence. But apart from that, a politically stable Pakistan will not be as subservient to US interests as the current of dictatorship is. 

I do agree that &quot;nuclear-armed&quot; &quot;politically-unstable&quot; and &quot;religious-extremism&quot; make a cruel recipe. However, when you remove the political-instability and bring in true democracy (which might come at the end of these recent events) and actually believe me when I say that religious-extremism is much less in Pakistan compared to what western media proclaims then the what is left is &quot;politically-stable&quot; &quot;democratic&quot; &quot;nuclear-armed&quot; Pakistan. This picture is not really acceptable to US because this would challenge to complete hegemony of US interests in South Asia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>@quo vadis</p>

	<p>I think you missed the word &#8216;completely&#8217; in my sentence. But apart from that, a politically stable Pakistan will not be as subservient to US interests as the current of dictatorship is.</p>

	<p>I do agree that &#8220;nuclear-armed&#8221; &#8220;politically-unstable&#8221; and &#8220;religious-extremism&#8221; make a cruel recipe. However, when you remove the political-instability and bring in true democracy (which might come at the end of these recent events) and actually believe me when I say that religious-extremism is much less in Pakistan compared to what western media proclaims then the what is left is &#8220;politically-stable&#8221; &#8220;democratic&#8221; &#8220;nuclear-armed&#8221; Pakistan. This picture is not really acceptable to US because this would challenge to complete hegemony of US interests in South Asia.</p>
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		<title>By: novakant</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/03/15/pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-190162</link>
		<dc:creator>novakant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 23:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a depressing article about people being disappeared and tortured by ISI in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/pakistan/Story/0,,2035478,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Guardian today&lt;/a&gt;. Needless to say, the FBI and CIA are complicit, the former describing torture as &quot;locally acceptable forms of interrogation&quot; - guess moral relativism is, well, relative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>There&#8217;s a depressing article about people being disappeared and tortured by <span class="caps">ISI</span> in the <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/pakistan/Story/0,,2035478,00.html" rel="nofollow">Guardian today</a>. Needless to say, the <span class="caps">FBI</span> and <span class="caps">CIA</span> are complicit, the former describing torture as &#8220;locally acceptable forms of interrogation&#8221; &#8211; guess moral relativism is, well, relative.</p>
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		<title>By: BrendanH</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/03/15/pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-190157</link>
		<dc:creator>BrendanH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 21:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Completely off topic, but it seems to me that new comments are appearing interspersed in the existing comments, as if they are being manually moderated at different rates but appearing finally in the order of posting. 

It makes it very difficult to follow a developing thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Completely off topic, but it seems to me that new comments are appearing interspersed in the existing comments, as if they are being manually moderated at different rates but appearing finally in the order of posting.</p>

	<p>It makes it very difficult to follow a developing thread.</p>
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		<title>By: roy belmont</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/03/15/pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-190156</link>
		<dc:creator>roy belmont</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 20:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#14- &lt;i&gt;&quot;AQ IS a Pakistani creation. The same with the Taliban.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
The Contras WERE a Nicarauguan creation.
Guantanamo IS a Cuban creation.
Pat Robertson IS an American creation.
Roman Abramovitch IS an English creation.
This is easy and fun, besides adding much-needed contextual depth to the pressing question of what&#039;s currently happening in Pakistan, bombs or no bombs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>#14- <i>&#8220;AQ IS a Pakistani creation. The same with the Taliban.&#8221;</i><br />
The Contras <span class="caps">WERE</span> a Nicarauguan creation.<br />
Guantanamo IS a Cuban creation.<br />
Pat Robertson IS an American creation.<br />
Roman Abramovitch IS an English creation.<br />
This is easy and fun, besides adding much-needed contextual depth to the pressing question of what&#8217;s currently happening in Pakistan, bombs or no bombs.</p>
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		<title>By: Quo Vadis</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/03/15/pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-190151</link>
		<dc:creator>Quo Vadis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@umar

&lt;i&gt;Secondly, US would never want a completely politically stable Pakistan. &lt;/i&gt;

I may not know much about Pakistani internal politics, but I know that as far as the US is concerned (and most of the rest of the world I would imagine) &quot;nuclear-armed&quot; and &quot;politically-unstable&quot; form a combination which trumps any of the other conditions you mention by a wide margin.  Mix in an element of religious extremism and you have a recipe for something truly horrific.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>@umar</p>

	<p><i>Secondly, US would never want a completely politically stable Pakistan. </i></p>

	<p>I may not know much about Pakistani internal politics, but I know that as far as the US is concerned (and most of the rest of the world I would imagine) &#8220;nuclear-armed&#8221; and &#8220;politically-unstable&#8221; form a combination which trumps any of the other conditions you mention by a wide margin.  Mix in an element of religious extremism and you have a recipe for something truly horrific.</p>
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		<title>By: aretino</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/03/15/pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-190147</link>
		<dc:creator>aretino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just trying not to gag on the FT&#039;s latest love letter to Francois Bayrou.

What is it?  Five in the last two weeks?

The pink paper&#039;s editors are entitled to their schoolboy crushes, but a blogger account would be the appropriate venue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m just trying not to gag on the FT&#8217;s latest love letter to Francois Bayrou.</p>

	<p>What is it?  Five in the last two weeks?</p>

	<p>The pink paper&#8217;s editors are entitled to their schoolboy crushes, but a blogger account would be the appropriate venue.</p>
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		<title>By: Wild Pegasus</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/03/15/pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-190140</link>
		<dc:creator>Wild Pegasus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;As Superman’s Dad would say “With great power, comes great responsibility”.&lt;/i&gt;

Dude, that&#039;s Spider-Man&#039;s Uncle Ben.

- Josh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>As Superman&#8217;s Dad would say &#8220;With great power, comes great responsibility&#8221;.</i></p>

	<p>Dude, that&#8217;s Spider-Man&#8217;s Uncle Ben.</p>
 &#8211; Josh
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		<title>By: Cernig</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/03/15/pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-190139</link>
		<dc:creator>Cernig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Henry,

&lt;i&gt;I  haven’t seen much coverage in...the blogosphere of the developing crisis in Pakistan&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;ve been covering it &lt;a href=&quot;http://cernigsnewshog.blogspot.com/2007/03/pakistani-unrest-gathers-pace.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;all week&lt;/a&gt; and writing about Musharaff gaming the West for a couple of years.

Regards, C</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hi Henry,</p>

	<p><i>I  haven&#8217;t seen much coverage in&#8230;the blogosphere of the developing crisis in Pakistan</i></p>

	<p>I&#8217;ve been covering it <a href="http://cernigsnewshog.blogspot.com/2007/03/pakistani-unrest-gathers-pace.html" rel="nofollow">all week</a> and writing about Musharaff gaming the West for a couple of years.</p>

	<p>Regards, C</p>
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		<title>By: trifecta</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/03/15/pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-190134</link>
		<dc:creator>trifecta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it just me, or is anybody else afraid to even mention Pakistan? Everything the Bush administration turns it&#039;s attention to becomes an unprecedented disaster. Since he is running foreign policy, benign neglect may be our best strategy considering the poor choices available to us at the moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Is it just me, or is anybody else afraid to even mention Pakistan? Everything the Bush administration turns it&#8217;s attention to becomes an unprecedented disaster. Since he is running foreign policy, benign neglect may be our best strategy considering the poor choices available to us at the moment.</p>
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