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		<title>By: Dale Sunning  and  Anne F.O'Blacht</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/03/26/northern-ireland-settlement/comment-page-1/#comment-191593</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale Sunning  and  Anne F.O'Blacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There is a time-honored way for a state to stop paying for an overseas province it finds intolerable. Give it independence (whether it wants it or not) and/or make sure it is subsumed in a neighboring state.

I’d suggest lee look into Irish nationalism as a convenient way to lessen the strain on his pocketbook.&quot;

I was sure I heard Gordon Brown whisper &quot;Tiocfaidh a la&quot; recently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;There is a time-honored way for a state to stop paying for an overseas province it finds intolerable. Give it independence (whether it wants it or not) and/or make sure it is subsumed in a neighboring state.</p>

	<p>I&#8217;d suggest lee look into Irish nationalism as a convenient way to lessen the strain on his pocketbook.&#8221;</p>

	<p>I was sure I heard Gordon Brown whisper &#8220;Tiocfaidh a la&#8221; recently.</p>
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		<title>By: franck</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/03/26/northern-ireland-settlement/comment-page-1/#comment-191582</link>
		<dc:creator>franck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a time-honored way for a state to stop paying for an overseas province it finds intolerable.  Give it independence (whether it wants it or not) and/or make sure it is subsumed in a neighboring state.

I&#039;d suggest lee look into Irish nationalism as a convenient way to lessen the strain on his pocketbook.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>There is a time-honored way for a state to stop paying for an overseas province it finds intolerable.  Give it independence (whether it wants it or not) and/or make sure it is subsumed in a neighboring state.</p>

	<p>I&#8217;d suggest lee look into Irish nationalism as a convenient way to lessen the strain on his pocketbook.</p>
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		<title>By: P O'Neill</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/03/26/northern-ireland-settlement/comment-page-1/#comment-191489</link>
		<dc:creator>P O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 20:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://sluggerotoole.com/index.php/weblog/comments/thatcher-i-need-that-money-for-my-people/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Slugger&lt;/a&gt; has a nice on-point story for the last couple of comments. It&#039;s from a Garrett Fitzgerald opinion piece in today&#039;s Irish Times --

&lt;em&gt;So, after signing the agreement with me on November 15th, 1985, when we went upstairs in Hillsborough Castle to celebrate our achievement with a glass of champagne, Thatcher reacted negatively to a reference I made to an arrangement by which our two permanent representatives to the EU were to propose to their colleagues that their states each make a substantial national contribution to a Northern Ireland peace fund, outside the framework of the EU budget. &lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;I had personally secured the agreement of almost all other heads of government to this proposal. The instant reaction demonstrated how little unionist sentiment she shared: “What! More money for these people? Look at their roads! Look at their schools! I need that money for my people!” &lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;The approach in Brussels was instantly cancelled, and Northern Ireland lost what might have been several hundred million pounds in aid.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><a href="http://sluggerotoole.com/index.php/weblog/comments/thatcher-i-need-that-money-for-my-people/" rel="nofollow">Slugger</a> has a nice on-point story for the last couple of comments. It&#8217;s from a Garrett Fitzgerald opinion piece in today&#8217;s Irish Times&#8212;<br />
<em>So, after signing the agreement with me on November 15th, 1985, when we went upstairs in Hillsborough Castle to celebrate our achievement with a glass of champagne, Thatcher reacted negatively to a reference I made to an arrangement by which our two permanent representatives to the EU were to propose to their colleagues that their states each make a substantial national contribution to a Northern Ireland peace fund, outside the framework of the EU budget. </em></p>

	<p><em>I had personally secured the agreement of almost all other heads of government to this proposal. The instant reaction demonstrated how little unionist sentiment she shared: &#8220;What! More money for these people? Look at their roads! Look at their schools! I need that money for my people!&#8221; </em></p>

	<p><em>The approach in Brussels was instantly cancelled, and Northern Ireland lost what might have been several hundred million pounds in aid.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Dale Sunning  and  Anne F.O'Blacht</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/03/26/northern-ireland-settlement/comment-page-1/#comment-191446</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale Sunning  and  Anne F.O'Blacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 18:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Speaking as an evil Brit oppressor, when can we stop paying for this?&quot;

Silence, colonialist! Don&#039;t you feel any sensitivity to this historic occasion as Orange and Green settle their differences, moving on from horror and pain in a common goal of fleecing the UK Treasury.

The ghosts of the 1847 famine victims and republican martyrs like Wolfe Tone cry out for justice in the form of heroic blows against Imperialism by doing the double, selling red diesel with the dye removed, larger Sports Centers, and nice wee jobs in Stormont (whose cafeteria in the aim of sectarian unity should be called the Bobby Sands Memorial Dining Suite, with the George Seawright Memorial Hygenic Incinerator nearby for food waste).

And don&#039;t you go trying collecting VAT in South Armagh, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Speaking as an evil Brit oppressor, when can we stop paying for this?&#8221;</p>

	<p>Silence, colonialist! Don&#8217;t you feel any sensitivity to this historic occasion as Orange and Green settle their differences, moving on from horror and pain in a common goal of fleecing the <span class="caps">UK </span>Treasury.</p>

	<p>The ghosts of the 1847 famine victims and republican martyrs like Wolfe Tone cry out for justice in the form of heroic blows against Imperialism by doing the double, selling red diesel with the dye removed, larger Sports Centers, and nice wee jobs in Stormont (whose cafeteria in the aim of sectarian unity should be called the Bobby Sands Memorial Dining Suite, with the George Seawright Memorial Hygenic Incinerator nearby for food waste).</p>

	<p>And don&#8217;t you go trying collecting <span class="caps">VAT</span> in South Armagh, either.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Brimmicombe-Wood</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/03/26/northern-ireland-settlement/comment-page-1/#comment-191402</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Brimmicombe-Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;(Damn those Evil Brit Oppressors, with their enormous subsidies!)&lt;/i&gt;

Speaking as an evil Brit oppressor, when can we stop paying for this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>(Damn those Evil Brit Oppressors, with their enormous subsidies!)</i></p>

	<p>Speaking as an evil Brit oppressor, when can we stop paying for this?</p>
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		<title>By: Dale Sunning  and  Anne F.O'Blacht</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/03/26/northern-ireland-settlement/comment-page-1/#comment-191363</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale Sunning  and  Anne F.O'Blacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;I suspect at least part of the reason the UK could make a credible ‘now or never’ threat was the fact that Gordon Brown was more than willing to cut the purse strings to the assembly. Bravo to one and all.&#039;

Actually, it seemed the reverse to me: in the papers, both Paisley and Adams were making such similar comments to the press about Norn Iron needing more dough to make the settlement work and saying that NIO had given them assurances that Treasury would not stand in the way, that it felt almost choreographed. (Damn those Evil Brit Oppressors, with their enormous subsidies!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8216;I suspect at least part of the reason the UK could make a credible &#8216;now or never&#8217; threat was the fact that Gordon Brown was more than willing to cut the purse strings to the assembly. Bravo to one and all.&#8217;</p>

	<p>Actually, it seemed the reverse to me: in the papers, both Paisley and Adams were making such similar comments to the press about Norn Iron needing more dough to make the settlement work and saying that <span class="caps">NIO</span> had given them assurances that Treasury would not stand in the way, that it felt almost choreographed. (Damn those Evil Brit Oppressors, with their enormous subsidies!)</p>
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		<title>By: Dale Sunning  and  Anne F.O'Blacht</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/03/26/northern-ireland-settlement/comment-page-1/#comment-191351</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale Sunning  and  Anne F.O'Blacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;ah, yes, that “most useful” group to the British during the Dirty War.&quot;

Freestater, I grew up in housing estates with three-foot high graffiti saying &#039;informers will be shot&#039;. I don&#039;t need lectures from you.

&quot;And several now further to the right than even the “Lefty” Hitchens; Eoghan Harris (once he’d finished David Trimble off)&quot;

I guess the feud in the 1970s and the Provies&#039; armed campaign &#039;til the mid-1990s is OK then, &#039;cos a Sindo editor went neocon.

Seeing as you have an article from Searchlight on your own blog about a neo-fascist, who was a member of the Sinn Fein executive as recently as *2003*, trying to infiltrate the AoH, I fail to see how Eoghan Harris&#039;s random walks form a post-hoc justification for Ruairi O&#039;Bradaigh and Joe Cahill forming the Provies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;ah, yes, that &#8220;most useful&#8221; group to the British during the Dirty War.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Freestater, I grew up in housing estates with three-foot high graffiti saying &#8216;informers will be shot&#8217;. I don&#8217;t need lectures from you.</p>

	<p>&#8220;And several now further to the right than even the &#8220;Lefty&#8221; Hitchens; Eoghan Harris (once he&#8217;d finished David Trimble off)&#8221;</p>

	<p>I guess the feud in the 1970s and the Provies&#8217; armed campaign &#8216;til the mid-1990s is OK then, &#8216;cos a Sindo editor went neocon.</p>

	<p>Seeing as you have an article from Searchlight on your own blog about a neo-fascist, who was a member of the Sinn Fein executive as recently as <strong>2003</strong>, trying to infiltrate the AoH, I fail to see how Eoghan Harris&#8217;s random walks form a post-hoc justification for Ruairi O&#8217;Bradaigh and Joe Cahill forming the Provies.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard A</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/03/26/northern-ireland-settlement/comment-page-1/#comment-191345</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;peace process&quot; - its way greased by government blackmail and lies - has marginalised moderate parties, delivered 1.5m people into the hands of fanatics, murderers and bigots, and opened the way to a Lebanese-style sectarian spoils system without any kind of genuine accountability.

It&#039;s great that the bombings have stopped, but it&#039;s nothing to cheer about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The &#8220;peace process&#8221; &#8211; its way greased by government blackmail and lies &#8211; has marginalised moderate parties, delivered 1.5m people into the hands of fanatics, murderers and bigots, and opened the way to a Lebanese-style sectarian spoils system without any kind of genuine accountability.</p>

	<p>It&#8217;s great that the bombings have stopped, but it&#8217;s nothing to cheer about.</p>
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		<title>By: EWI</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/03/26/northern-ireland-settlement/comment-page-1/#comment-191334</link>
		<dc:creator>EWI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 13:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;the Stickies&lt;/i&gt;

...ah, yes, that &quot;most useful&quot; group to the British during the Dirty War. And several now further to the right than even the &quot;Lefty&quot; Hitchens; Eoghan Harris (once he&#039;d finished David Trimble off) was/is an advisor of some sorts to Adhmed Chalabi, if Phoenix Magazine is correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>the Stickies</i></p>

	<p>&#8230;ah, yes, that &#8220;most useful&#8221; group to the British during the Dirty War. And several now further to the right than even the &#8220;Lefty&#8221; Hitchens; Eoghan Harris (once he&#8217;d finished David Trimble off) was/is an advisor of some sorts to Adhmed Chalabi, if Phoenix Magazine is correct.</p>
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		<title>By: EWI</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/03/26/northern-ireland-settlement/comment-page-1/#comment-191333</link>
		<dc:creator>EWI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 13:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;the Stickies&lt;/i&gt;

...ah, yes, that &quot;most useful&quot; group to the British during the Dirty War. And several now further to the right than even the &quot;Lefty&quot; Hitchens; Eoghan Harris (once he&#039;d finished David Trimble off) has/is an advisor of some sorts to Adhmed Chalabi, if Phoenix Magazine is correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>the Stickies</i></p>

	<p>&#8230;ah, yes, that &#8220;most useful&#8221; group to the British during the Dirty War. And several now further to the right than even the &#8220;Lefty&#8221; Hitchens; Eoghan Harris (once he&#8217;d finished David Trimble off) has/is an advisor of some sorts to Adhmed Chalabi, if Phoenix Magazine is correct.</p>
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		<title>By: dearieme</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/03/26/northern-ireland-settlement/comment-page-1/#comment-191327</link>
		<dc:creator>dearieme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 13:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Handed to a bigot and a murderer: which part of the USA would you like to visit with this fate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Handed to a bigot and a murderer: which part of the <span class="caps">USA</span> would you like to visit with this fate?</p>
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		<title>By: ejh</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/03/26/northern-ireland-settlement/comment-page-1/#comment-191278</link>
		<dc:creator>ejh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 09:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So does Simon Heffer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>So does Simon Heffer.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Catherine Moran</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/03/26/northern-ireland-settlement/comment-page-1/#comment-191264</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Catherine Moran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 04:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s good news, yes.  I&#039;d hold off before calling it wonderful.  I guess I don&#039;t quite understand the long-term implications of devolution.  What&#039;s the end game?  I am also thinking of Scotland (and would also be thinking of Wales, maybe, except that Emerson tells me the Welsh do not actually exist).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It&#8217;s good news, yes.  I&#8217;d hold off before calling it wonderful.  I guess I don&#8217;t quite understand the long-term implications of devolution.  What&#8217;s the end game?  I am also thinking of Scotland (and would also be thinking of Wales, maybe, except that Emerson tells me the Welsh do not actually exist).</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Doyle</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/03/26/northern-ireland-settlement/comment-page-1/#comment-191246</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Doyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 01:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As for the topic of the post, let’s hope the deal holds…&quot;


From your mouth to G-d&#039;s ears!

as we Irish say.

Maria, thanks for the news. Reading it, I &quot;came all over queer.&quot; Goose bumps, verge of tears, etc. Heh Heh. It passed quickly, but still, I&#039;m a third generation Irish-American, for goodness sake. Tom, you&#039;re not right in the head! 

&lt;i&gt;Siochain&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;As for the topic of the post, let&#8217;s hope the deal holds&#8230;&#8221;</p>


	<p>From your mouth to G-d&#8217;s ears!</p>

	<p>as we Irish say.</p>

	<p>Maria, thanks for the news. Reading it, I &#8220;came all over queer.&#8221; Goose bumps, verge of tears, etc. Heh Heh. It passed quickly, but still, I&#8217;m a third generation Irish-American, for goodness sake. Tom, you&#8217;re not right in the head!</p>

	<p><i>Siochain</i></p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 21:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3 &amp; 4, apparently not.

As for the topic of the post, let&#039;s hope the deal holds...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>3 &#038; 4, apparently not.</p>

	<p>As for the topic of the post, let&#8217;s hope the deal holds&#8230;</p>
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