Comments on: “It’s Short for Emo-tional” http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/09/its-short-for-emo-tional/ Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made Sat, 21 Nov 2009 23:33:23 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Daverz http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/09/its-short-for-emo-tional/comment-page-1/#comment-193359 Daverz Sun, 15 Apr 2007 04:50:57 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/09/its-short-for-emo-tional/#comment-193359 re: 29, The <em>Sturm und Drang</em> movement in music goes back to Haydn and contemporaries: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturm_und_Drang re: 29, The Sturm und Drang movement in music goes back to Haydn and contemporaries:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturm_und_Drang

]]> By: John Quiggin http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/09/its-short-for-emo-tional/comment-page-1/#comment-193243 John Quiggin Sat, 14 Apr 2007 05:05:23 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/09/its-short-for-emo-tional/#comment-193243 Two words - Simple Plan Two words – Simple Plan

]]> By: Britton http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/09/its-short-for-emo-tional/comment-page-1/#comment-193008 Britton Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:15:37 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/09/its-short-for-emo-tional/#comment-193008 This is all so confusing. Could someone please draw me a venn diagram? This is all so confusing. Could someone please draw me a venn diagram?

]]> By: Amardeep http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/09/its-short-for-emo-tional/comment-page-1/#comment-192950 Amardeep Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:35:27 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/09/its-short-for-emo-tional/#comment-192950 I'm surprised no one has mentioned the "ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny" rule of punk style evolution amongst teenagers. For most kids, the styles correspond to particular age groups that can be correlated to historical moments: Punk (1976-7) -- Age 12 Goth (1978-80) -- Age 13 Hardcore punk (1981-4) -- Age 14 Emo (1984-9) -- Ages 15-17 Pop punk/ska (1990-2) -- Ages 18-20 Rotating postmodern recycling of subcultural styles from 20 or more years ago (1992-present) -- Ages 21-55 Some qualifications: Emo is sometimes followed by Indie rock rather than Pop punk at age 18, depending on the specimen and how one interprets the cultural significance of Sonic Youth. The "Drunk punk" genus (also known as "gutter punk") and various metal genii are alternative evolutionary paths, which might be roughly analogous to the "invertebrate" category in the Linnaean schema. Japanese noise is really an entirely different Family, though it can sometimes be mistaken for a subspecies of punk. I’m surprised no one has mentioned the “ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny” rule of punk style evolution amongst teenagers. For most kids, the styles correspond to particular age groups that can be correlated to historical moments:

Punk (1976-7)—Age 12
Goth (1978-80)—Age 13
Hardcore punk (1981-4)—Age 14
Emo (1984-9)—Ages 15-17
Pop punk/ska (1990-2)—Ages 18-20
Rotating postmodern recycling of subcultural styles from 20 or more years ago (1992-present)—Ages 21-55

Some qualifications:

Emo is sometimes followed by Indie rock rather than Pop punk at age 18, depending on the specimen and how one interprets the cultural significance of Sonic Youth.

The “Drunk punk” genus (also known as “gutter punk”) and various metal genii are alternative evolutionary paths, which might be roughly analogous to the “invertebrate” category in the Linnaean schema. Japanese noise is really an entirely different Family, though it can sometimes be mistaken for a subspecies of punk.

]]> By: John Emerson http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/09/its-short-for-emo-tional/comment-page-1/#comment-192891 John Emerson Wed, 11 Apr 2007 01:40:31 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/09/its-short-for-emo-tional/#comment-192891 Come to think of it, my N.D. nieces are big Smashing Pumpkin fans. As I understand, S.P. are accepted by emo people, but some S.P. fans don't want to be associated with emo. On the other hand, my nieces are atypical Dakotans. Come to think of it, my N.D. nieces are big Smashing Pumpkin fans. As I understand, S.P. are accepted by emo people, but some S.P. fans don’t want to be associated with emo.

On the other hand, my nieces are atypical Dakotans.

]]> By: Scott Wood http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/09/its-short-for-emo-tional/comment-page-1/#comment-192890 Scott Wood Wed, 11 Apr 2007 01:37:49 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/09/its-short-for-emo-tional/#comment-192890 No, no, you're all wrong. Beethoven started the whole emo thing. Talk about cultural amnesia. No, no, you’re all wrong. Beethoven started the whole emo thing. Talk about cultural amnesia.

]]> By: Jen http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/09/its-short-for-emo-tional/comment-page-1/#comment-192880 Jen Wed, 11 Apr 2007 00:58:43 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/09/its-short-for-emo-tional/#comment-192880 I'm more terrified about the Trench Coat Mafia. (Psst, they're coming to get you!) (Edith Piaf was the first emo singer.) I’m more terrified about the Trench Coat Mafia.

(Psst, they’re coming to get you!)

(Edith Piaf was the first emo singer.)

]]> By: BillCinSD http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/09/its-short-for-emo-tional/comment-page-1/#comment-192878 BillCinSD Wed, 11 Apr 2007 00:53:00 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/09/its-short-for-emo-tional/#comment-192878 I thought The Smiths and Morrissey would have been among the intellectual forebearers of emo rather than Husker Du, but I'm more familiar with Promise Ring/Get Up Kids style Midwestern Emo, than the DC Dischord Emo. I had a friend that was in a band that opened for Fugazi, and I almost had him talked into having their set be all Minor Threat covers just to mess with Ian macKaye, but in the end he didn't go through with the idea. It's true getting punched for smoking does rather go past the bounds of holier than thou, William, I guess the second wave emo people in South Dakota were than the one's you ran into. I think the next expose will be about how Math Rock doesn't teach fractions well. I thought The Smiths and Morrissey would have been among the intellectual forebearers of emo rather than Husker Du, but I’m more familiar with Promise Ring/Get Up Kids style Midwestern Emo, than the DC Dischord Emo.

I had a friend that was in a band that opened for Fugazi, and I almost had him talked into having their set be all Minor Threat covers just to mess with Ian macKaye, but in the end he didn’t go through with the idea.

It’s true getting punched for smoking does rather go past the bounds of holier than thou, William, I guess the second wave emo people in South Dakota were than the one’s you ran into.

I think the next expose will be about how Math Rock doesn’t teach fractions well.

]]> By: Justin http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/09/its-short-for-emo-tional/comment-page-1/#comment-192869 Justin Wed, 11 Apr 2007 00:06:11 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/09/its-short-for-emo-tional/#comment-192869 Sometimes my hair falls across my face, and I can't see the world at all. Sometimes my hair falls across my face, and I can’t see the world at all.

]]> By: C. L. Ball http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/09/its-short-for-emo-tional/comment-page-1/#comment-192855 C. L. Ball Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:03:42 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/09/its-short-for-emo-tional/#comment-192855 Re 23, Brown-bag roulette, anyone? Re 23,

Brown-bag roulette, anyone?

]]> By: C. L. Ball http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/09/its-short-for-emo-tional/comment-page-1/#comment-192853 C. L. Ball Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:59:02 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/09/its-short-for-emo-tional/#comment-192853 "...hair that covers one eye" says the deputy with the baseball cap occluding both of his as he looks down. “…hair that covers one eye” says the deputy with the baseball cap occluding both of his as he looks down.

]]> By: Rich B. http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/09/its-short-for-emo-tional/comment-page-1/#comment-192837 Rich B. Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:24:38 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/09/its-short-for-emo-tional/#comment-192837 I would be more upset about this, but fortunately I am dead -- having killed myself in a pique of depression after my Dungeons and Dragons character died in 1985, and then again during the autoerotic asphyxiation craze of 1996. I would be more upset about this, but fortunately I am dead—having killed myself in a pique of depression after my Dungeons and Dragons character died in 1985, and then again during the autoerotic asphyxiation craze of 1996.

]]> By: American Citizen http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/09/its-short-for-emo-tional/comment-page-1/#comment-192833 American Citizen Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:13:08 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/09/its-short-for-emo-tional/#comment-192833 Henry Jenkins co-taught one of my elective classes, it's interesting to see him get a little attention outside of "Technology Review". Henry Jenkins co-taught one of my elective classes, it’s interesting to see him get a little attention outside of “Technology Review”.

]]> By: Brad Kerr http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/09/its-short-for-emo-tional/comment-page-1/#comment-192819 Brad Kerr Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:35:56 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/09/its-short-for-emo-tional/#comment-192819 Embrace (MacKaye's band after Minor Threat but before Fugazi) and Rites of Spring (Guy Picciotto's band before Fugazi) might qualify as among the first emo bands. But Fugazi is too young to claim that mantle. Embrace (MacKaye’s band after Minor Threat but before Fugazi) and Rites of Spring (Guy Picciotto’s band before Fugazi) might qualify as among the first emo bands. But Fugazi is too young to claim that mantle.

]]> By: John Emerson http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/09/its-short-for-emo-tional/comment-page-1/#comment-192798 John Emerson Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:14:15 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/09/its-short-for-emo-tional/#comment-192798 North Dakota is not an emo place. Did the video say anything about metal? They're probably cool with metal. It's just more North Dakotan, as Klosterman has shown. North Dakota is not an emo place. Did the video say anything about metal? They’re probably cool with metal. It’s just more North Dakotan, as Klosterman has shown.

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