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		<title>By: Nell</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/10/logocentrism/comment-page-2/#comment-193462</link>
		<dc:creator>Nell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 06:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A hockey-fan friend in Columbus told me the Blue Jackets&#039; name was a reference to a Shawnee leader named Blue Jacket.  But none of the team marketing has picked up on that, if it&#039;s true, and there are allusions to the Civil War (the ridiculous mascot bee wears a Union cap, e.g.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>A hockey-fan friend in Columbus told me the Blue Jackets&#8217; name was a reference to a Shawnee leader named Blue Jacket.  But none of the team marketing has picked up on that, if it&#8217;s true, and there are allusions to the Civil War (the ridiculous mascot bee wears a Union cap, e.g.)</p>
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		<title>By: Nell</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/10/logocentrism/comment-page-2/#comment-193459</link>
		<dc:creator>Nell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 05:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;[&#039;R A N G E R S logo]: It’ll do, but it’s not what you’d call “attractive” or “imaginative.”&lt;/i&gt;

Though the Statue-of-Liberty logo on the third jersey is very attractive, made even spiffier by the use of the dark blue rather than &quot;true&quot; Rangers blue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>[&#8216;R <span class="caps">A N G E R S</span> logo]: It&#8217;ll do, but it&#8217;s not what you&#8217;d call &#8220;attractive&#8221; or &#8220;imaginative.&#8221;</i></p>

	<p>Though the Statue-of-Liberty logo on the third jersey is very attractive, made even spiffier by the use of the dark blue rather than &#8220;true&#8221; Rangers blue.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Rooney</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/10/logocentrism/comment-page-2/#comment-193184</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Rooney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I like the Bluefish logo.  Never saw it before till just now.
And even if the Avalanche was one of the first singular nouns as team name, it does make sense for a Colorado team.  And I think the logo on the uniforms does have an appropriately Sasquatch kind of feel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hey, I like the Bluefish logo.  Never saw it before till just now.<br />
And even if the Avalanche was one of the first singular nouns as team name, it does make sense for a Colorado team.  And I think the logo on the uniforms does have an appropriately Sasquatch kind of feel.</p>
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		<title>By: Pinko Punko</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/10/logocentrism/comment-page-2/#comment-193071</link>
		<dc:creator>Pinko Punko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 07:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sportslogos.net/logo.php?lo=281&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this older Canucks&lt;/a&gt; one is too Judas Priest, but you gotta admit, it&#039;s kinda cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Maybe <a href="http://www.sportslogos.net/logo.php?lo=281" rel="nofollow">this older Canucks</a> one is too Judas Priest, but you gotta admit, it&#8217;s kinda cool.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Bérubé</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/10/logocentrism/comment-page-2/#comment-193034</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Bérubé</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually think of the old Seals and Canucks logos as being in a class by themselves.  I think the Seal looks more like a cubist slug than like a cockroach, and that the effect is rather ruined by giving the cubist slug a hockey stick.  (But either a slug or a cockroach would be preferable to the word &quot;Seals&quot; in sloppily-proportioned sans serif lettering, which is what you had in the early 1970s as the team became unfathomably bad.)  And the Canucks logo is kind of awesome in its minimalist unimaginativeness.  Still, that&#039;s nothing compared to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://ccm.hockeygiant.com/images/ccmjer550vvan-2.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;pajamas&lt;/a&gt; the Canucks were forced to wear for a few seasons. . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I actually think of the old Seals and Canucks logos as being in a class by themselves.  I think the Seal looks more like a cubist slug than like a cockroach, and that the effect is rather ruined by giving the cubist slug a hockey stick.  (But either a slug or a cockroach would be preferable to the word &#8220;Seals&#8221; in sloppily-proportioned sans serif lettering, which is what you had in the early 1970s as the team became unfathomably bad.)  And the Canucks logo is kind of awesome in its minimalist unimaginativeness.  Still, that&#8217;s nothing compared to the <a href="http://ccm.hockeygiant.com/images/ccmjer550vvan-2.jpg" rel="nofollow">pajamas</a> the Canucks were forced to wear for a few seasons. . . .</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/10/logocentrism/comment-page-2/#comment-192960</link>
		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But how in the world did it come out of the World Hockey Association, which gave us not only the terrible logos of the Oilers, Nordiques, and Winnipeg Jets but a whole host of crappy designs, each more cringe-inducing than the next?&lt;/i&gt;

Don&#039;t forget the most absurd logo of them all, from the now-defunct &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland_Seals&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Oakland Seals&lt;/a&gt; franchise (enlarged version &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:CAL-GS_264.gif&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;). Looks like a cockroach to me. It&#039;s really a shame given the awesomeness of the name &quot;Seals,&quot; and how much potential there was for an awesome logo.

Not a fan of the old hockey stick/letter C &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Canucks70s.gif&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Canucks logo&lt;/a&gt; either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>But how in the world did it come out of the World Hockey Association, which gave us not only the terrible logos of the Oilers, Nordiques, and Winnipeg Jets but a whole host of crappy designs, each more cringe-inducing than the next?</i></p>

	<p>Don&#8217;t forget the most absurd logo of them all, from the now-defunct <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland_Seals" rel="nofollow">Oakland Seals</a> franchise (enlarged version <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:CAL-GS_264.gif" rel="nofollow">here</a>). Looks like a cockroach to me. It&#8217;s really a shame given the awesomeness of the name &#8220;Seals,&#8221; and how much potential there was for an awesome logo.</p>

	<p>Not a fan of the old hockey stick/letter C <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Canucks70s.gif" rel="nofollow">Canucks logo</a> either.</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/10/logocentrism/comment-page-2/#comment-192959</link>
		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The Minnesota Wild may also have the worst name in all team sports.&lt;/i&gt;

True story: One of the other finalists for the team&#039;s name was &quot;Minnesota Blue Ox&quot; (as in Babe from the Paul Bunyan myth).  Not &quot;Oxen,&quot; mind you: &quot;Ox&quot; nonpluralized, like the Miami Heat - as in, the team is collectively one ox.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>The Minnesota Wild may also have the worst name in all team sports.</i></p>

	<p>True story: One of the other finalists for the team&#8217;s name was &#8220;Minnesota Blue Ox&#8221; (as in Babe from the Paul Bunyan myth).  Not &#8220;Oxen,&#8221; mind you: &#8220;Ox&#8221; nonpluralized, like the Miami Heat &#8211; as in, the team is collectively one ox.</p>
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		<title>By: tom hurka</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/10/logocentrism/comment-page-2/#comment-192948</link>
		<dc:creator>tom hurka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re #66: The Calgary Hitmen are so called because one of their original owners (I don&#039;t think he is any more) was Bret &#039;the Hitman&#039; Hart of the World Wrestling Federation, a Calgarian and local hero. (In fact, the whole Hart family are Calgary wrestling heroes.) And there was indeed controversy about the logo when it was first introduced, though I can&#039;t remember whether that resulted in a change from something even more violent or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Re #66: The Calgary Hitmen are so called because one of their original owners (I don&#8217;t think he is any more) was Bret &#8216;the Hitman&#8217; Hart of the World Wrestling Federation, a Calgarian and local hero. (In fact, the whole Hart family are Calgary wrestling heroes.) And there was indeed controversy about the logo when it was first introduced, though I can&#8217;t remember whether that resulted in a change from something even more violent or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Crooked Timber &#187; &#187; Hogging time at last</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/10/logocentrism/comment-page-2/#comment-192876</link>
		<dc:creator>Crooked Timber &#187; &#187; Hogging time at last</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 00:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and underrated defense, but I have already grown weary of the misguided complaints of the Sabre-Rattling Left in these comment sections. Sabres in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: rm</title>
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		<dc:creator>rm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 00:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, this sportslogos.net is a treasure trove. Tim, the wimpiness of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sportslogos.net/league.php?l=12&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;WHA&lt;/a&gt;(look at the Minnesota Fighting Saints!! A Keilloresque logo, you betcha) looks to be balanced out by the brutality of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sportslogos.net/league.php?l=11&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;WHL&lt;/a&gt; logos. check out the Calgary Hitmen. That is downright irresponsible. And I thought the Washington &lt;a href=&quot;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/de/WashingtonBullets.png&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bullets&lt;/a&gt; (now Wizards) had an inappropriate name.

The Fighting Saints reminds me of some great oxymoronic university team names from North Carolina -- the Demon Deacons, the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.logoserver.com/college/GuilfordQuakers.GIF&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fighting Quakers&lt;/a&gt;, the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.logoserver.com/college/Elon.GIF&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fighting Christians&lt;/a&gt; (now the collective-noun Phoenix).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Indeed, this sportslogos.net is a treasure trove. Tim, the wimpiness of the <a href="http://www.sportslogos.net/league.php?l=12" rel="nofollow"><span class="caps">WHA</span></a>(look at the Minnesota Fighting Saints!! A Keilloresque logo, you betcha) looks to be balanced out by the brutality of <a href="http://www.sportslogos.net/league.php?l=11" rel="nofollow"><span class="caps">WHL</span></a> logos. check out the Calgary Hitmen. That is downright irresponsible. And I thought the Washington <a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/de/WashingtonBullets.png" rel="nofollow">Bullets</a> (now Wizards) had an inappropriate name.</p>

	<p>The Fighting Saints reminds me of some great oxymoronic university team names from North Carolina&#8212;the Demon Deacons, the <a href="http://www.logoserver.com/college/GuilfordQuakers.GIF" rel="nofollow">Fighting Quakers</a>, the <a href="http://www.logoserver.com/college/Elon.GIF" rel="nofollow">Fighting Christians</a> (now the collective-noun Phoenix).</p>
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		<title>By: ed_finnerty</title>
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		<dc:creator>ed_finnerty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When does the actual hockey talk start</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>When does the actual hockey talk start</p>
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		<title>By: spartikus</title>
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		<dc:creator>spartikus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm...not sure I agree with some of this, but I don&#039;t have much to add other than to make the point that, in my opinion, longevity is the 9/10ths of a sports logo&#039;s cred and appeal.

Also, with advent of new ownership, the Canucks uniforms are being redesigned once again, and rumour has it &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.miss604.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/hjohnny.gif&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Johnny Canuck&lt;/a&gt; (of the WHL era Canucks) will be making a return. I&#039;m not sure how I feel about that....it&#039;s all in the execution I guess. And the longevity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hmmm&#8230;not sure I agree with some of this, but I don&#8217;t have much to add other than to make the point that, in my opinion, longevity is the 9/10ths of a sports logo&#8217;s cred and appeal.</p>

	<p>Also, with advent of new ownership, the Canucks uniforms are being redesigned once again, and rumour has it <a href="http://www.miss604.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/hjohnny.gif" rel="nofollow">Johnny Canuck</a> (of the <span class="caps">WHL</span> era Canucks) will be making a return. I&#8217;m not sure how I feel about that&#8230;.it&#8217;s all in the execution I guess. And the longevity.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene O'Grady</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/10/logocentrism/comment-page-2/#comment-192863</link>
		<dc:creator>Gene O'Grady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting info on the Red Wing/Olympic club logo -- now if I knew for sure when the Winged O dates from I could answer my own question.

Since the issue of Native American/Indian/you name &#039;em team names has come up, some readers may be amused to learn that there is actually a professional hockey team called the Portland Winter Hawks that is owned by the Confederated Tribes of the Umatilla.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Interesting info on the Red Wing/Olympic club logo&#8212;now if I knew for sure when the Winged O dates from I could answer my own question.</p>

	<p>Since the issue of Native American/Indian/you name &#8216;em team names has come up, some readers may be amused to learn that there is actually a professional hockey team called the Portland Winter Hawks that is owned by the Confederated Tribes of the Umatilla.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim McG</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim McG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Michael, you pulled a fast one on us: you started off talking about the most &lt;i&gt;masculine&lt;/i&gt; logos and then shifted ground to the best-designed. One could argue that masculinity and good design are orthogonal axes. 

On the cock, balls, sweat and muscle measure, Very Scary Animals come in tops every time. Just because you can&#039;t show bleeding corpses on a sweater. 

And on the masculinity axis, what exactly was the WHA all about, what with the boobs on the Bulls/Toros, Baltimore Blades (any relation to the Washington Blade?) and Calgary Cowboys (or were those skates dangling low enough to be testicular?  Oh, and the that Denver logo really belongs on a figure-skating team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hey, Michael, you pulled a fast one on us: you started off talking about the most <i>masculine</i> logos and then shifted ground to the best-designed. One could argue that masculinity and good design are orthogonal axes.</p>

	<p>On the cock, balls, sweat and muscle measure, Very Scary Animals come in tops every time. Just because you can&#8217;t show bleeding corpses on a sweater.</p>

	<p>And on the masculinity axis, what exactly was the <span class="caps">WHA</span> all about, what with the boobs on the Bulls/Toros, Baltimore Blades (any relation to the Washington Blade?) and Calgary Cowboys (or were those skates dangling low enough to be testicular?  Oh, and the that Denver logo really belongs on a figure-skating team.</p>
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		<title>By: sidereal</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/10/logocentrism/comment-page-2/#comment-192845</link>
		<dc:creator>sidereal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we&#039;re branching into other sports/leagues, the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sportslogos.net/logo.php?lo=4822&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Las Vegas 51&#039;s logo&lt;/a&gt; is unassailable.  Simple, relevant, and &lt;i&gt;deeply disturbing&lt;/i&gt;.

I have to admit, until today I honestly thought the Blue Jacket was an insect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>If we&#8217;re branching into other sports/leagues, the <a href="http://www.sportslogos.net/logo.php?lo=4822" rel="nofollow">Las Vegas 51&#8217;s logo</a> is unassailable.  Simple, relevant, and <i>deeply disturbing</i>.</p>

	<p>I have to admit, until today I honestly thought the Blue Jacket was an insect.</p>
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