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		<title>By: yabonn</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/17/le-petit-nicolas/comment-page-1/#comment-193689</link>
		<dc:creator>yabonn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The thing is, Napoléon is still largely seen as a positive “founder of the state” figure in France.&lt;/i&gt;

... And seen with indiffrence or some nuance outside of it, except the english speaking world. They just love their boogeyman :)

On the plus side, we&#039;re sure this way the Economist doesn&#039;t run out of witty covers.

The calling by the full name is an annoying media shtick. A mix between ostentatious respect of the interlocutor, flattering, demanding his attention (and the auditor&#039;s attention too as a consequence) on-this-very-point, Patrick Poivre d&#039;Arvor, and again all a kind  of other different, disgusting, things. 

Sarkozy does it a lot, but I first saw this horror in second grade news-shows on cable tvs, functionning as mutual grooming among tv people. I think the technique could work in english too, try it if you can pass the queasy phase.

I&#039;m not surprised to see some racist french on CNN - the antisemitic french was covered already I suppose. I think I stopped hoping even a semblance of sanity on France coverage at the riots.

I&#039;m beggining to think the black horse has some good chance. Nobody likes Sarkozy except his 27 percents, and Royal campaign has been a clunky mess, trying at moments to out-Poujade Sarkozy&#039;s. The old scrooges at the top of the party won&#039;t help, they apparently think they won&#039;t be harmed by another PS failure.

The system is rather weird, but I could not see much fuss about it last time a poll gave Bayrou winning against both Sego and Sarko in the secound stage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>The thing is, Napol&#233;on is still largely seen as a positive &#8220;founder of the state&#8221; figure in France.</i></p>

	<p>&#8230; And seen with indiffrence or some nuance outside of it, except the english speaking world. They just love their boogeyman :)</p>

	<p>On the plus side, we&#8217;re sure this way the Economist doesn&#8217;t run out of witty covers.</p>

	<p>The calling by the full name is an annoying media shtick. A mix between ostentatious respect of the interlocutor, flattering, demanding his attention (and the auditor&#8217;s attention too as a consequence) on-this-very-point, Patrick Poivre d&#8217;Arvor, and again all a kind  of other different, disgusting, things.</p>

	<p>Sarkozy does it a lot, but I first saw this horror in second grade news-shows on cable tvs, functionning as mutual grooming among tv people. I think the technique could work in english too, try it if you can pass the queasy phase.</p>

	<p>I&#8217;m not surprised to see some racist french on <span class="caps">CNN </span>- the antisemitic french was covered already I suppose. I think I stopped hoping even a semblance of sanity on France coverage at the riots.</p>

	<p>I&#8217;m beggining to think the black horse has some good chance. Nobody likes Sarkozy except his 27 percents, and Royal campaign has been a clunky mess, trying at moments to out-Poujade Sarkozy&#8217;s. The old scrooges at the top of the party won&#8217;t help, they apparently think they won&#8217;t be harmed by another PS failure.</p>

	<p>The system is rather weird, but I could not see much fuss about it last time a poll gave Bayrou winning against both Sego and Sarko in the secound stage.</p>
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		<title>By: nick s</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/17/le-petit-nicolas/comment-page-1/#comment-193681</link>
		<dc:creator>nick s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dis@19: the nightmare scenario raised by the last week&#039;s reporting of a secret RG poll, whether real or not, was a Sarko-Le Pen second round, with Bayrou and Royal essentially eliminating one another.

Given that possibility, however slight, we&#039;re seeing the attempt to get at least one of the two (i.e. Royal) into the second round.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>dis@19: the nightmare scenario raised by the last week&#8217;s reporting of a secret RG poll, whether real or not, was a Sarko-Le Pen second round, with Bayrou and Royal essentially eliminating one another.</p>

	<p>Given that possibility, however slight, we&#8217;re seeing the attempt to get at least one of the two (i.e. Royal) into the second round.</p>
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		<title>By: Disinterested Observer</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/17/le-petit-nicolas/comment-page-1/#comment-193668</link>
		<dc:creator>Disinterested Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand what a Royal-Bayrou pact would really mean.  Royal is never going to say before the first round that socialists should vote for Bayrou as a way of stopping Sarkozy. As far as I can see a pact could only involve Bayrou saying that his supporters should vote for Royal in the first and second rounds (presumably he would become Prime Minister as a quid pro quo).  But how many of Bayrou&#039;s supporters would do this?  There are no preferences to allocate, and I don&#039;t get the impression that people support Bayrou because of some form of party loyalty.  The reason why he might win the second round if he gets through is precisely the reason why Chirac got such a large vote in the last Presidential - simply he is not the other candidate. If Royal does not get into the second round, then presumably all her supporters plus those further left would vote for Bayrou rather than Sarkozy.  If Sarkozy is knocked out, then all his voters plus Le Pen supporters vote Bayrou rather than Royal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I don&#8217;t understand what a Royal-Bayrou pact would really mean.  Royal is never going to say before the first round that socialists should vote for Bayrou as a way of stopping Sarkozy. As far as I can see a pact could only involve Bayrou saying that his supporters should vote for Royal in the first and second rounds (presumably he would become Prime Minister as a quid pro quo).  But how many of Bayrou&#8217;s supporters would do this?  There are no preferences to allocate, and I don&#8217;t get the impression that people support Bayrou because of some form of party loyalty.  The reason why he might win the second round if he gets through is precisely the reason why Chirac got such a large vote in the last Presidential &#8211; simply he is not the other candidate. If Royal does not get into the second round, then presumably all her supporters plus those further left would vote for Bayrou rather than Sarkozy.  If Sarkozy is knocked out, then all his voters plus Le Pen supporters vote Bayrou rather than Royal.</p>
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		<title>By: Z</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/17/le-petit-nicolas/comment-page-1/#comment-193667</link>
		<dc:creator>Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Has anyone in France made the obvious comparison?&lt;/i&gt;

The thing is, Napoléon is still largely seen as a positive &quot;founder of the state&quot; figure in France. Therefore, no one would dare compare Sarkozy to him, unless in an obvious satirical move.

Speaking of angry man comparisons, Sarkozy was google bombed for a few months so that Sarkozy would redirect to Iznogoud, a famous comics character who is small, very angry and above all consumed by an always frustrated desire to become &quot;caliph in place of the caliph&quot;. I see that a google search on Nicolas Sarkozy still has Iznogoud on the first page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Has anyone in France made the obvious comparison?</i></p>

	<p>The thing is, Napol&#233;on is still largely seen as a positive &#8220;founder of the state&#8221; figure in France. Therefore, no one would dare compare Sarkozy to him, unless in an obvious satirical move.</p>

	<p>Speaking of angry man comparisons, Sarkozy was google bombed for a few months so that Sarkozy would redirect to Iznogoud, a famous comics character who is small, very angry and above all consumed by an always frustrated desire to become &#8220;caliph in place of the caliph&#8221;. I see that a google search on Nicolas Sarkozy still has Iznogoud on the first page.</p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
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		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently the polling now shows Sarkozy/Royal 27-27 in the first round and 50-50 in the second. No big surprises, no nightmare scenarios.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Apparently the polling now shows Sarkozy/Royal 27-27 in the first round and 50-50 in the second. No big surprises, no nightmare scenarios.</p>
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		<title>By: nick s</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/17/le-petit-nicolas/comment-page-1/#comment-193665</link>
		<dc:creator>nick s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.economist.com/printedition/displayCover.cfm?url=/images/20070414/20070414issuecovUS400.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Aha.&lt;/a&gt; Interesting to see the &#039;Con thinking &#039;Napoleonic = &lt;i&gt;good&lt;/i&gt; thing&#039;. Even the horse doesn&#039;t look impressed. But I see that &lt;i&gt;Les Guignols&lt;/i&gt; did a Sarko-Ségo &lt;i&gt;Snow White&lt;/i&gt; earlier this year, which does tickle me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><a href="http://www.economist.com/printedition/displayCover.cfm?url=/images/20070414/20070414issuecovUS400.jpg" rel="nofollow">Aha.</a> Interesting to see the &#8216;Con thinking &#8216;Napoleonic = <i>good</i> thing&#8217;. Even the horse doesn&#8217;t look impressed. But I see that <i>Les Guignols</i> did a Sarko-S&#233;go <i>Snow White</i> earlier this year, which does tickle me.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/17/le-petit-nicolas/comment-page-1/#comment-193659</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the obvious comparison, check out last week&#039;s cover of the Economist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>For the obvious comparison, check out last week&#8217;s cover of the Economist.</p>
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		<title>By: nick s</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/17/le-petit-nicolas/comment-page-1/#comment-193631</link>
		<dc:creator>nick s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 23:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m getting as much as my quarter-decent French gives me out of &lt;i&gt;Le Monde&lt;/i&gt; and elsewhere&#039;s, though it would be good to know of good reliable sources -- French or English -- especially ones that will be streaming coverage of the results.

The PS is terrified of another run-off in which it&#039;s a spectator. I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if they created the tale about the secret RG poll that raised the nightmare scenario of a Sarko-LePen second round. If that were to happen, I&#039;m thinking &#039;hello Sixth Republic&#039;. 

(A piece in the Indy was interesting, citing Normandy farmers who&#039;d benefit most from Royal&#039;s policies if implemented, but who&#039;d never vote for a woman, let along a woman on the left.)

And Sarko does have the little-angry-man thing going, doesn&#039;t he? Has anyone in France made the obvious comparison?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m getting as much as my quarter-decent French gives me out of <i>Le Monde</i> and elsewhere&#8217;s, though it would be good to know of good reliable sources&#8212;French or English&#8212;especially ones that will be streaming coverage of the results.</p>

	<p>The PS is terrified of another run-off in which it&#8217;s a spectator. I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if they created the tale about the secret RG poll that raised the nightmare scenario of a Sarko-LePen second round. If that were to happen, I&#8217;m thinking &#8216;hello Sixth Republic&#8217;.</p>

	<p>(A piece in the Indy was interesting, citing Normandy farmers who&#8217;d benefit most from Royal&#8217;s policies if implemented, but who&#8217;d never vote for a woman, let along a woman on the left.)</p>

	<p>And Sarko does have the little-angry-man thing going, doesn&#8217;t he? Has anyone in France made the obvious comparison?</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 20:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there any debate in France about the crapness of their 2-stage electoral system?  After another  four-horse race with consequent random finalists, they might get with the program and introduce Instant Runoff Voting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Is there any debate in France about the crapness of their 2-stage electoral system?  After another  four-horse race with consequent random finalists, they might get with the program and introduce Instant Runoff Voting.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Baldwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Baldwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 20:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a member of the Labour Party, I support Royal, as I presume we all do...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>As a member of the Labour Party, I support Royal, as I presume we all do&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/17/le-petit-nicolas/comment-page-1/#comment-193611</link>
		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love PPDA too! He&#039;s a sexy beast.

That is all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I love <span class="caps">PPDA</span> too! He&#8217;s a sexy beast.</p>

	<p>That is all.</p>
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		<title>By: dearieme</title>
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		<dc:creator>dearieme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;She articulates perfectly the nation’s desire to live out its values of fairness and justice&quot;.  Priceless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;She articulates perfectly the nation&#8217;s desire to live out its values of fairness and justice&#8221;.  Priceless.</p>
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		<title>By: Z</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/17/le-petit-nicolas/comment-page-1/#comment-193589</link>
		<dc:creator>Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems to me that this is peculiar to Sarkozy. At the very least, it is the basis of some imitations of him. I don&#039;t think there is any political meaning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Seems to me that this is peculiar to Sarkozy. At the very least, it is the basis of some imitations of him. I don&#8217;t think there is any political meaning.</p>
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		<title>By: P O'Neill</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/17/le-petit-nicolas/comment-page-1/#comment-193585</link>
		<dc:creator>P O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve wondered about that pronunciation of names thing in another context.  When Sarkozy is on with the France 2 anchor David Pujadas, he seems to go out of his way to say the latter&#039;s full name several times.  I recall (but can&#039;t name specifics) that other politicians sometimes do it too.  I&#039;ve wondered if its some oblique reference to Pierre Poujade, as a put-down of what they view as a pesky question.  One of the subtleties lost on us Franglais speakers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;ve wondered about that pronunciation of names thing in another context.  When Sarkozy is on with the France 2 anchor David Pujadas, he seems to go out of his way to say the latter&#8217;s full name several times.  I recall (but can&#8217;t name specifics) that other politicians sometimes do it too.  I&#8217;ve wondered if its some oblique reference to Pierre Poujade, as a put-down of what they view as a pesky question.  One of the subtleties lost on us Franglais speakers.</p>
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		<title>By: Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;As to Jospin rooting for Sarkozy, it’s more that he appears to be holding out against a pact with Bayrou which could rout Sarkozy in the first round.
&lt;/i&gt;

If I strive to be as fair as I can to anyone involved, I would say that almost everyone is holding out against this alliance. Royal dismissed it, Bayrou dismissed it, even Strauss-Kahn (the leader of the right wing of the socialist party) thought it was prematured before the second round. One must also say that while some centrists have asked for an abstract alliance, none that I know has proposed a clear definite plan. 

The FT article is relatively good, but in my opinion slightly too quick to channel the right-wing point of view. There is no &quot;acrimonious dispute&quot; among the Parti Socialiste on the subject of the pact: everyone rejected it. And it is certainly not true that Sarkozy runs a &quot;streamlined, slick operation&quot;: two days before the pact became an issue between the left and the centre, Brice Hortefeux, one of Sarkozy&#039;s closest ally and one of France&#039;s most rightist politician outside of the far-right parties, proposed a constitutional reform that Sarkozy has long opposed and that has long been asked for by the Front National. The move was seen by many as a gesture towards the far-right, and according to Le Monde, Sarkozy was furious.

&lt;i&gt;I haven’t heard anyone talking about it here&lt;/i&gt;

That is still a point of view: nobody cares.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>As to Jospin rooting for Sarkozy, it&#8217;s more that he appears to be holding out against a pact with Bayrou which could rout Sarkozy in the first round.<br />
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	<p>If I strive to be as fair as I can to anyone involved, I would say that almost everyone is holding out against this alliance. Royal dismissed it, Bayrou dismissed it, even Strauss-Kahn (the leader of the right wing of the socialist party) thought it was prematured before the second round. One must also say that while some centrists have asked for an abstract alliance, none that I know has proposed a clear definite plan.</p>

	<p>The FT article is relatively good, but in my opinion slightly too quick to channel the right-wing point of view. There is no &#8220;acrimonious dispute&#8221; among the Parti Socialiste on the subject of the pact: everyone rejected it. And it is certainly not true that Sarkozy runs a &#8220;streamlined, slick operation&#8221;: two days before the pact became an issue between the left and the centre, Brice Hortefeux, one of Sarkozy&#8217;s closest ally and one of France&#8217;s most rightist politician outside of the far-right parties, proposed a constitutional reform that Sarkozy has long opposed and that has long been asked for by the Front National. The move was seen by many as a gesture towards the far-right, and according to Le Monde, Sarkozy was furious.</p>

	<p><i>I haven&#8217;t heard anyone talking about it here</i></p>

	<p>That is still a point of view: nobody cares.</p>
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