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		<title>By: MikeN</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/20/solecisms/comment-page-1/#comment-194236</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hopefully...

Lamentably, this controversy has risen from the grave.

Interestingly, there is a whole group of adverbs which fill the same function, namely to describe the speaker&#039;s feelings about the subsequent statement.

Strangely, prescriptivists seem to ignore all of these except

Oddly, poor maligned &quot;hopefully&quot;.

Unsurprisingly, most people refuse to be deprived of such a useful term, yet

Sadly, grammar mavens proclaim their arbitrary rules

Luckily, opposing voices arise and

Happily, the forces of common-sense seem to be gaining ground, so

Hopefully, we will soon make an end of this prescriptivist nonsense.

Like mad King Canutes trying to hold back the tide, these prescriptivist Cassandras hurl their false prophecies of linguistic chaos, while, as inexorably as Frankenstein&#039;s footprints, change comes upon them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hopefully&#8230;</p>

	<p>Lamentably, this controversy has risen from the grave.</p>

	<p>Interestingly, there is a whole group of adverbs which fill the same function, namely to describe the speaker&#8217;s feelings about the subsequent statement.</p>

	<p>Strangely, prescriptivists seem to ignore all of these except</p>

	<p>Oddly, poor maligned &#8220;hopefully&#8221;.</p>

	<p>Unsurprisingly, most people refuse to be deprived of such a useful term, yet</p>

	<p>Sadly, grammar mavens proclaim their arbitrary rules</p>

	<p>Luckily, opposing voices arise and</p>

	<p>Happily, the forces of common-sense seem to be gaining ground, so</p>

	<p>Hopefully, we will soon make an end of this prescriptivist nonsense.</p>

	<p>Like mad King Canutes trying to hold back the tide, these prescriptivist Cassandras hurl their false prophecies of linguistic chaos, while, as inexorably as Frankenstein&#8217;s footprints, change comes upon them.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/20/solecisms/comment-page-1/#comment-194234</link>
		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Niall Ferguson must misuse &quot;pressurize&quot; (or &quot;pressurise&quot;) a dozen times in &lt;i&gt;The War of the World&lt;/i&gt;, and that&#039;s with my not even having finished the book.  Did the man not have an editor, or has he attained the stature of &quot;I&#039;m Niall Ferguson, so bugger off&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Niall Ferguson must misuse &#8220;pressurize&#8221; (or &#8220;pressurise&#8221;) a dozen times in <i>The War of the World</i>, and that&#8217;s with my not even having finished the book.  Did the man not have an editor, or has he attained the stature of &#8220;I&#8217;m Niall Ferguson, so bugger off&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: jay bee</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/20/solecisms/comment-page-1/#comment-194158</link>
		<dc:creator>jay bee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Impasse is the one that annoys me - I&#039;m prepared to accept that you may be able to break it, but you can&#039;t solve (or resolve) it - that&#039;s why it called an impasse, despite what newpaper sub-editors seem to believe it means</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Impasse is the one that annoys me &#8211; I&#8217;m prepared to accept that you may be able to break it, but you can&#8217;t solve (or resolve) it &#8211; that&#8217;s why it called an impasse, despite what newpaper sub-editors seem to believe it means</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/20/solecisms/comment-page-1/#comment-194132</link>
		<dc:creator>Katherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#27.  The UK usage is &quot;couldn&#039;t care less&quot;.  I&#039;ve always wondered about the US version myself, since it doesn&#039;t seem to make an actual sense, when you think about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>#27.  The UK usage is &#8220;couldn&#8217;t care less&#8221;.  I&#8217;ve always wondered about the US version myself, since it doesn&#8217;t seem to make an actual sense, when you think about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Hedley Lamarr</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/20/solecisms/comment-page-1/#comment-194088</link>
		<dc:creator>Hedley Lamarr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 22:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m surprised it didn&#039;t include Watershed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m surprised it didn&#8217;t include Watershed.</p>
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		<title>By: bad Jim</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/20/solecisms/comment-page-1/#comment-193969</link>
		<dc:creator>bad Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To any cruise accrues a crew.

A D.J. on the local classical station uses &quot;momentarily&quot; to mean &quot;soon&quot;, not just one chord from Cesar Franck&#039;s symphony now, but the whole thing in a little while.

The entire &quot;hopefully&quot; solecism could be neatly searched and replaced with &quot;happily&quot;, were we all still of a certain seventeenth century mindset.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>To any cruise accrues a crew.</p>

	<p><span class="caps">A D</span>.J. on the local classical station uses &#8220;momentarily&#8221; to mean &#8220;soon&#8221;, not just one chord from Cesar Franck&#8217;s symphony now, but the whole thing in a little while.</p>

	<p>The entire &#8220;hopefully&#8221; solecism could be neatly searched and replaced with &#8220;happily&#8221;, were we all still of a certain seventeenth century mindset.</p>
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		<title>By: A few links literary &#171; Entertaining Research</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/20/solecisms/comment-page-1/#comment-193955</link>
		<dc:creator>A few links literary &#171; Entertaining Research</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 04:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Some Common Solecisms; via Crooked Timber. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/20/solecisms/comment-page-1/#comment-193952</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 02:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mpowell - I wasn&#039;t joking, exactly, but I agree with you wholeheartedly. 

I understand that &quot;elitist&quot; usually carries a negative connotation these days, but I don&#039;t intend any such connotation and I&#039;m certainly not decrying anything. Many social groups police their boundaries, and language is a common means of doing so. Like some other commenters, I hadn&#039;t paid proper attention to the fact that the page in question is a writer&#039;s style guide, so I drew the wrong conclusion and imagined that somebody was attempting to dictate to the wider audience of readers: As a writer&#039;s guide it seems absolutely reasonable to me. Even the use of solecism (&quot;a socially awkward or tactless act&quot; according to WordNet) strikes me as appropriate: the authors seek only to regulate The Economist&#039;s writers, a group for which they clearly set the bounds of polite discourse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>mpowell &#8211; I wasn&#8217;t joking, exactly, but I agree with you wholeheartedly.</p>

	<p>I understand that &#8220;elitist&#8221; usually carries a negative connotation these days, but I don&#8217;t intend any such connotation and I&#8217;m certainly not decrying anything. Many social groups police their boundaries, and language is a common means of doing so. Like some other commenters, I hadn&#8217;t paid proper attention to the fact that the page in question is a writer&#8217;s style guide, so I drew the wrong conclusion and imagined that somebody was attempting to dictate to the wider audience of readers: As a writer&#8217;s guide it seems absolutely reasonable to me. Even the use of solecism (&#8220;a socially awkward or tactless act&#8221; according to WordNet) strikes me as appropriate: the authors seek only to regulate The Economist&#8217;s writers, a group for which they clearly set the bounds of polite discourse.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith M Ellis</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/20/solecisms/comment-page-1/#comment-193946</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith M Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 01:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was surprised it didn&#039;t include &lt;i&gt;penultimate&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I was surprised it didn&#8217;t include <i>penultimate</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: mollymooly</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/20/solecisms/comment-page-1/#comment-193940</link>
		<dc:creator>mollymooly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 23:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>18: &quot;I’m surprised they didn’t deal with nonplussed.&quot;  I&#039;ve never heard that misused...erm I mean used in the novel sense... Maybe it&#039;s an Americanism the Economist doesn&#039;t worry about. Not yet, at least: more Americanisms have crept into its copy in the last few years as it shifts its marketing and hires more U.S. writers.  Soon they may even write loath instead of loth!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>18: &#8220;I&#8217;m surprised they didn&#8217;t deal with nonplussed.&#8221;  I&#8217;ve never heard that misused&#8230;erm I mean used in the novel sense&#8230; Maybe it&#8217;s an Americanism the Economist doesn&#8217;t worry about. Not yet, at least: more Americanisms have crept into its copy in the last few years as it shifts its marketing and hires more U.S. writers.  Soon they may even write loath instead of loth!</p>
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		<title>By: Friday Blogrolling III &#171; oldephartteintraining</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/20/solecisms/comment-page-1/#comment-193939</link>
		<dc:creator>Friday Blogrolling III &#171; oldephartteintraining</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 23:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Solecisms&#160; The thread adds to the&#160; muse [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Quo Vadis</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/20/solecisms/comment-page-1/#comment-193937</link>
		<dc:creator>Quo Vadis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 23:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know whether it qualifies as a solecism, but the one that drives me nuts is the use of &quot;could care less&quot; where the speaker means &quot;could not care less&quot; as in: &quot;Solecisms are awesome and I could care less what the style guide says about them&quot;.  This may be just an American thing, but it is surprisingly common.  

It&#039;s not as if the words are unfamiliar or subject to different interpretations, it&#039;s just that the speaker is not considering the words they are using.  I&#039;ve always thought that it must be very confusing to those who haven&#039;t been exposed to it regularly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I don&#8217;t know whether it qualifies as a solecism, but the one that drives me nuts is the use of &#8220;could care less&#8221; where the speaker means &#8220;could not care less&#8221; as in: &#8220;Solecisms are awesome and I could care less what the style guide says about them&#8221;.  This may be just an American thing, but it is surprisingly common.</p>

	<p>It&#8217;s not as if the words are unfamiliar or subject to different interpretations, it&#8217;s just that the speaker is not considering the words they are using.  I&#8217;ve always thought that it must be very confusing to those who haven&#8217;t been exposed to it regularly.</p>
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		<title>By: mpowell</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/20/solecisms/comment-page-1/#comment-193934</link>
		<dc:creator>mpowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will join the chorus of those here who support style guides.  I think those who disagree might misunderstand the best purpose of a style guide.  Richard is right that the purpose of language is to communicate.  When he wrote:

&quot;Exercises such as this one are both useful and arrogant&quot;

I was hoping he was making a joke.  Because I think creating a style guide is a little arrogant.  But its also useful.  Just because some words are slowly losing the precision of their meaning, does not mean that a good writer cannot reclaim that precision through consistent, accurate usage.  In general, I believe this encourages readers to appreciate the particular meanings of words and can lead to better communication.  Part of the challenge of a style guide is to decide between meanings that are lost to history and those that can still be reclaimed.  A good style guide is carefully concerned with this issue and not overly obsessed with the past.

To disregard style guides altogether is to deny the existence of &#039;good writing&#039;.  This is to say that the most appropriate writing is just whatever is average.  But a good writer, considering the current usage of words and their history, can more effectively communicate his ideas, partly by deviating from the lowest common denominator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I will join the chorus of those here who support style guides.  I think those who disagree might misunderstand the best purpose of a style guide.  Richard is right that the purpose of language is to communicate.  When he wrote:</p>

	<p>&#8220;Exercises such as this one are both useful and arrogant&#8221;</p>

	<p>I was hoping he was making a joke.  Because I think creating a style guide is a little arrogant.  But its also useful.  Just because some words are slowly losing the precision of their meaning, does not mean that a good writer cannot reclaim that precision through consistent, accurate usage.  In general, I believe this encourages readers to appreciate the particular meanings of words and can lead to better communication.  Part of the challenge of a style guide is to decide between meanings that are lost to history and those that can still be reclaimed.  A good style guide is carefully concerned with this issue and not overly obsessed with the past.</p>

	<p>To disregard style guides altogether is to deny the existence of &#8216;good writing&#8217;.  This is to say that the most appropriate writing is just whatever is average.  But a good writer, considering the current usage of words and their history, can more effectively communicate his ideas, partly by deviating from the lowest common denominator.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Kuzma</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/20/solecisms/comment-page-1/#comment-193930</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Kuzma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with everyone who has made comments decrying prescriptive language.  Of course language evolves and changes and that&#039;s a Good Thing.  But there will always be those who mourn the ongoing erosion of definitions from the unique and varied to the general and synonymous.  But I personally don&#039;t consider it a proscription against change or even against common usage.  Instead it is an appreciation for the more interesting flavors of words and the feeling of loss that comes when they are forgotten.

I personally am a bit saddened that &quot;fantastic&quot; and &quot;awesome&quot; have become synonyms, losing all their original flavor.  That doesn&#039;t stop me from using them as superlatives, and it doesn&#039;t mean I yell at anyone who uses them in their more generic sense.  I don&#039;t think this site, or any style guide for that matter, is meant as a condemnation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I disagree with everyone who has made comments decrying prescriptive language.  Of course language evolves and changes and that&#8217;s a Good Thing.  But there will always be those who mourn the ongoing erosion of definitions from the unique and varied to the general and synonymous.  But I personally don&#8217;t consider it a proscription against change or even against common usage.  Instead it is an appreciation for the more interesting flavors of words and the feeling of loss that comes when they are forgotten.</p>

	<p>I personally am a bit saddened that &#8220;fantastic&#8221; and &#8220;awesome&#8221; have become synonyms, losing all their original flavor.  That doesn&#8217;t stop me from using them as superlatives, and it doesn&#8217;t mean I yell at anyone who uses them in their more generic sense.  I don&#8217;t think this site, or any style guide for that matter, is meant as a condemnation.</p>
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		<title>By: dearieme</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/20/solecisms/comment-page-1/#comment-193914</link>
		<dc:creator>dearieme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 19:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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