Comments on: You Kids Get Off My Berlin Wall http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/26/yoy-kids-get-off-of-my-berlin-wall/ Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:24:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Scott McLemee http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/26/yoy-kids-get-off-of-my-berlin-wall/comment-page-1/#comment-194681 Scott McLemee Sun, 29 Apr 2007 11:50:32 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/26/yoy-kids-get-off-of-my-berlin-wall/#comment-194681 I'd wager that the "first pressings of their debut EPs" bit is sarcasm. But to play along, undeterred.... The scene included the Big Boys, the Stains (later and better known as MDC, aka Millions of Dead Cops), the Dicks, Scratch Acid, the Mydolls, and Poison 13, to give the names only of groups that became fairly well-known (as these things go) elsewhere. There were the usual networks of people running fanzines, shows, and small record labels, and Houston and Austin were regular stops for bands for hardcore and postpunk bands. None of this is on YouTube, and yet I remember it. Quite the paradox. I’d wager that the “first pressings of their debut EPs” bit is sarcasm. But to play along, undeterred….

The scene included the Big Boys, the Stains (later and better known as MDC, aka Millions of Dead Cops), the Dicks, Scratch Acid, the Mydolls, and Poison 13, to give the names only of groups that became fairly well-known (as these things go) elsewhere. There were the usual networks of people running fanzines, shows, and small record labels, and Houston and Austin were regular stops for bands for hardcore and postpunk bands.

None of this is on YouTube, and yet I remember it. Quite the paradox.

]]> By: René Daumal http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/26/yoy-kids-get-off-of-my-berlin-wall/comment-page-1/#comment-194668 René Daumal Sun, 29 Apr 2007 04:28:42 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/26/yoy-kids-get-off-of-my-berlin-wall/#comment-194668 Scott, forgive me, but what <i>was</i> the subsequent Texas punk scene? Not that I don't know. I've got the first pressings of their debut EPs. But I'm still curious... Scott, forgive me, but what was the subsequent Texas punk scene? Not that I don’t know. I’ve got the first pressings of their debut EPs. But I’m still curious…

]]> By: Scott McLemee http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/26/yoy-kids-get-off-of-my-berlin-wall/comment-page-1/#comment-194552 Scott McLemee Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:42:14 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/26/yoy-kids-get-off-of-my-berlin-wall/#comment-194552 That's fantastic. Thanks. That’s fantastic. Thanks.

]]> By: eweininger http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/26/yoy-kids-get-off-of-my-berlin-wall/comment-page-1/#comment-194549 eweininger Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:45:45 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/26/yoy-kids-get-off-of-my-berlin-wall/#comment-194549 Scott my man, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNViLxrnud8" rel="nofollow">here</a> is a related historical doc you might enjoy. I will leave the YouTube epistemology to otehrs. Scott my man, here is a related historical doc you might enjoy. I will leave the YouTube epistemology to otehrs.

]]> By: rea http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/26/yoy-kids-get-off-of-my-berlin-wall/comment-page-1/#comment-194544 rea Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:29:15 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/26/yoy-kids-get-off-of-my-berlin-wall/#comment-194544 <i>Never trusted anybody over 30 40 50 60 since.</i> Jerry Rubin said that about 40 years ago, so it must be the 70+ year olds we're not supposed to trust now . . . Never trusted anybody over 30 40 50 60 since.

Jerry Rubin said that about 40 years ago, so it must be the 70+ year olds we’re not supposed to trust now . . .

]]> By: Scott McLemee http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/26/yoy-kids-get-off-of-my-berlin-wall/comment-page-1/#comment-194538 Scott McLemee Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:29:58 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/26/yoy-kids-get-off-of-my-berlin-wall/#comment-194538 René (#20): No, "Did punk even happen?" is not the spirit of it at all. That question would not even be possible for anyone who knows a thing about the subsequent Texas punk scene. But to think that there were ads for the Sex Pistols and the Talking Heads on KZEW in 1978 (when people listened to 10 minute guitar solos because the quaaludes made them seem really deep, man) does make you want some documentation before trusting the memory. René (#20): No, “Did punk even happen?” is not the spirit of it at all. That question would not even be possible for anyone who knows a thing about the subsequent Texas punk scene.

But to think that there were ads for the Sex Pistols and the Talking Heads on KZEW in 1978 (when people listened to 10 minute guitar solos because the quaaludes made them seem really deep, man) does make you want some documentation before trusting the memory.

]]> By: dave heasman http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/26/yoy-kids-get-off-of-my-berlin-wall/comment-page-1/#comment-194531 dave heasman Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:08:36 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/26/yoy-kids-get-off-of-my-berlin-wall/#comment-194531 It seems to me that far more people saw the Sex Pistols in the US than in England. Though perhaps more people in England claimed to have. (I saw them once in London; thought the bass/drums combo was great, nearly as good as Entwistle/Moon. (Of course, that was Matlock.)The other two, not so much) It seems to me that far more people saw the Sex Pistols in the US than in England.

Though perhaps more people in England claimed to have.

(I saw them once in London; thought the bass/drums combo was great, nearly as good as Entwistle/Moon. (Of course, that was Matlock.)The other two, not so much)

]]> By: Clayton http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/26/yoy-kids-get-off-of-my-berlin-wall/comment-page-1/#comment-194528 Clayton Fri, 27 Apr 2007 06:13:09 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/26/yoy-kids-get-off-of-my-berlin-wall/#comment-194528 Wow, I was at the Longhorn Ballroom a few months ago and someone told me that the Sex Pitols had played there. I suppose now I have to believe them. Wow,

I was at the Longhorn Ballroom a few months ago and someone told me that the Sex Pitols had played there. I suppose now I have to believe them.

]]> By: Bill Humphries http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/26/yoy-kids-get-off-of-my-berlin-wall/comment-page-1/#comment-194524 Bill Humphries Fri, 27 Apr 2007 05:36:04 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/26/yoy-kids-get-off-of-my-berlin-wall/#comment-194524 Ah, the Morning Zoo, and the stairs... Ah, the Morning Zoo, and the stairs…

]]> By: René Daumal http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/26/yoy-kids-get-off-of-my-berlin-wall/comment-page-1/#comment-194522 René Daumal Fri, 27 Apr 2007 04:16:21 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/26/yoy-kids-get-off-of-my-berlin-wall/#comment-194522 I'm going to take this opportunity to emphasize the <i>spirit</i> of this piece, as I understand it, which is "Wait a second? Did punk even happen? Am I even remembering that right? Oh wait, yes, it did happen, because it's on YouTube." But YouTube isn't big enough to fill that vacuum. I’m going to take this opportunity to emphasize the spirit of this piece, as I understand it, which is “Wait a second? Did punk even happen? Am I even remembering that right? Oh wait, yes, it did happen, because it’s on YouTube.”

But YouTube isn’t big enough to fill that vacuum.

]]> By: David http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/26/yoy-kids-get-off-of-my-berlin-wall/comment-page-1/#comment-194520 David Fri, 27 Apr 2007 03:37:57 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/26/yoy-kids-get-off-of-my-berlin-wall/#comment-194520 thanks, bob mcmanus, it was the Longhorn Ballroom, not the Bronco Bowl thanks, bob mcmanus, it was the Longhorn Ballroom, not the Bronco Bowl

]]> By: David http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/26/yoy-kids-get-off-of-my-berlin-wall/comment-page-1/#comment-194519 David Fri, 27 Apr 2007 03:36:24 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/26/yoy-kids-get-off-of-my-berlin-wall/#comment-194519 The Sex Pistols did indeed play Dallas, at a venue called the Bronco Bowl, I think. It was in January or February, the time of year when ridiculous ice storms glaze Fort Worth and Dallas, and one did just that during the day of the Pistols' show. A friend and I had tickets, but we lived in Fort Worth and getting to Dallas would certainly have been hazardous and possibly impossible, so we bagged it (hardly a very punk attitude, I concede). The show did go on, and I think Sid Vicious made a special effort to be a nuisance. Pity I don't still have the unused tickets -- they'd be worth something to somebody I'm sure (another not very punk attidude, I suppose). I look forward to seeing the video. The Sex Pistols did indeed play Dallas, at a venue called the Bronco Bowl, I think. It was in January or February, the time of year when ridiculous ice storms glaze Fort Worth and Dallas, and one did just that during the day of the Pistols’ show. A friend and I had tickets, but we lived in Fort Worth and getting to Dallas would certainly have been hazardous and possibly impossible, so we bagged it (hardly a very punk attitude, I concede). The show did go on, and I think Sid Vicious made a special effort to be a nuisance. Pity I don’t still have the unused tickets—they’d be worth something to somebody I’m sure (another not very punk attidude, I suppose). I look forward to seeing the video.

]]> By: Karen http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/26/yoy-kids-get-off-of-my-berlin-wall/comment-page-1/#comment-194518 Karen Fri, 27 Apr 2007 03:19:57 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/26/yoy-kids-get-off-of-my-berlin-wall/#comment-194518 quo vadis (#16) People in Cali don't call rural areas "the sticks?" Huh. I could have sworn I've heard television actors use the phrase. They need to get out more, to lose that parochial attitude. I live in Austin, and my parents still live in Commerce, so I get to hear the lingo. "Sticks" is about the only phrase I still use, though, having dropped "fix'n" about twenty minutes after my parents left me in the dorm at UT in 1981. My husband, despite a year in Canada and England and several years of speech training which left him with a perfect FM radio voice, still says "cain't" for the contraction form of "cannot." You can take the kid out of the sticks . . . . quo vadis (#16) People in Cali don’t call rural areas “the sticks?” Huh. I could have sworn I’ve heard television actors use the phrase. They need to get out more, to lose that parochial attitude.

I live in Austin, and my parents still live in Commerce, so I get to hear the lingo. “Sticks” is about the only phrase I still use, though, having dropped “fix’n” about twenty minutes after my parents left me in the dorm at UT in 1981. My husband, despite a year in Canada and England and several years of speech training which left him with a perfect FM radio voice, still says “cain’t” for the contraction form of “cannot.” You can take the kid out of the sticks . . . .

]]> By: Quo Vadis http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/26/yoy-kids-get-off-of-my-berlin-wall/comment-page-1/#comment-194517 Quo Vadis Fri, 27 Apr 2007 03:08:18 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/26/yoy-kids-get-off-of-my-berlin-wall/#comment-194517 @Karen I can almost hear the twang in your voice. <i>...in the sticks</i> One of my favorite colloquialisms from that place. Unlike others like 'fix'n' and the adverb form of 'done', I still use the phrase when referring to the rural circumstances of my youth, but here in San Francisco people often seem confused by it. @Karen

I can almost hear the twang in your voice.

…in the sticks

One of my favorite colloquialisms from that place. Unlike others like ‘fix’n’ and the adverb form of ‘done’, I still use the phrase when referring to the rural circumstances of my youth, but here in San Francisco people often seem confused by it.

]]> By: Karen http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/26/yoy-kids-get-off-of-my-berlin-wall/comment-page-1/#comment-194513 Karen Fri, 27 Apr 2007 02:13:57 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/26/yoy-kids-get-off-of-my-berlin-wall/#comment-194513 quo vadis(#13) that's a trip down memory lane. I remember KLIF always having to reduce its frequency at 6 p.m., meaning I couldn't hear it out in the sticks. And of course WBAP was my parents' station, thus providing the soundtrack to the first 15 years or so of my life. Country music really started to reek once that station switched to talk format, which provides another reason to hate talk radio. quo vadis(#13) that’s a trip down memory lane. I remember KLIF always having to reduce its frequency at 6 p.m., meaning I couldn’t hear it out in the sticks. And of course WBAP was my parents’ station, thus providing the soundtrack to the first 15 years or so of my life. Country music really started to reek once that station switched to talk format, which provides another reason to hate talk radio.

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