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		<title>By: Easily Distracted &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Standards, Weekly and Otherwise</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/28/maybe-where-the-hidden-imam-lives/comment-page-1/#comment-195121</link>
		<dc:creator>Easily Distracted &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Standards, Weekly and Otherwise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 19:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Crooked Timber, an article by Ernest Lefever in the Weekly Standard arguing that African independence didn&#8217;t [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Hogan</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/28/maybe-where-the-hidden-imam-lives/comment-page-1/#comment-194784</link>
		<dc:creator>Hogan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I especially like learning the fact that Africans haven’t experienced the Reformation.&lt;/i&gt;

A classic. I would also like to note that the US never had a Hellenistic period, and China never had a Victorian era. Explains a lot when you think about it. No, wait, not &quot;think about it.&quot; What&#039;s the other thing? Oh yeah, &quot;hit yourself on the head repeatedly with the works of H. Rider Haggard.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I especially like learning the fact that Africans haven&#8217;t experienced the Reformation.</i></p>

	<p>A classic. I would also like to note that the US never had a Hellenistic period, and China never had a Victorian era. Explains a lot when you think about it. No, wait, not &#8220;think about it.&#8221; What&#8217;s the other thing? Oh yeah, &#8220;hit yourself on the head repeatedly with the works of H. Rider Haggard.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: magistra</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/28/maybe-where-the-hidden-imam-lives/comment-page-1/#comment-194768</link>
		<dc:creator>magistra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 06:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a recent English take on the White Man&#039;s Burden, see this &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2007/04/02/dl0202.xml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Daily  Telegraph leader&lt;/a&gt;, which appears to have been written by someone escaped from the 1950s, if not the 1850s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>For a recent English take on the White Man&#8217;s Burden, see this <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2007/04/02/dl0202.xml" rel="nofollow">Daily  Telegraph leader</a>, which appears to have been written by someone escaped from the 1950s, if not the 1850s.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Burke</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/28/maybe-where-the-hidden-imam-lives/comment-page-1/#comment-194759</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Burke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 04:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Head go splodey. One more big pile of turds on top of an Augean pile to clean out, but this one warrants a bit of special treatment tomorrow when I get a spot of time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Head go splodey. One more big pile of turds on top of an Augean pile to clean out, but this one warrants a bit of special treatment tomorrow when I get a spot of time.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/28/maybe-where-the-hidden-imam-lives/comment-page-1/#comment-194750</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 02:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;they seemed unaware that the British, for example, had ended slavery 79 years before Lincoln signed the Emaciation Proclamation...&lt;/i&gt;

Never heard of that one. Pretty thin argument, eh? (arf, arf...)

Renders satire redundant, doesn&#039;t he?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>they seemed unaware that the British, for example, had ended slavery 79 years before Lincoln signed the Emaciation Proclamation&#8230;</i></p>

	<p>Never heard of that one. Pretty thin argument, eh? (arf, arf&#8230;)</p>

	<p>Renders satire redundant, doesn&#8217;t he?</p>
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		<title>By: Kenny Easwaran</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/28/maybe-where-the-hidden-imam-lives/comment-page-1/#comment-194735</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenny Easwaran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 22:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I assumed this was just an exercise in dumpster diving - but I guess if this guy was nominated for a cabinet post then it&#039;s not really so laughable any more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I assumed this was just an exercise in dumpster diving &#8211; but I guess if this guy was nominated for a cabinet post then it&#8217;s not really so laughable any more.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Weiner</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/28/maybe-where-the-hidden-imam-lives/comment-page-1/#comment-194684</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Weiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 13:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s pretty astonishing that both of us remember the cartoon at all. (Actually I&#039;m not sure about &quot;secretary of mice&quot; either.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I think it&#8217;s pretty astonishing that both of us remember the cartoon at all. (Actually I&#8217;m not sure about &#8220;secretary of mice&#8221; either.)</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/28/maybe-where-the-hidden-imam-lives/comment-page-1/#comment-194682</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 12:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The piece is riddled with so many errors, one wonders which planet Lefever&#039;s Africa is on. 

Mugabe&#039;s ZANU-PF was not Soviet supported, but by the Chinese. &quot;Seven years of turbulence&quot; for an armed liberation struggle that began officially in 1967 and ended in 1979?  In fact, violent resistance to white colonial rule in Rhodesia had existed since the first white settlers arrived in 1890.  

Ian Smith&#039;s political actions were so inimical to the interests of his own electors, his own race and his own class, not to mention to the country as a whole and to the region, that to call him a statesman is laughable.  Just because the present Mugabe regime is an evil tyranny does not bless post-hoc goodness on Ian Smith&#039;s illegal, immoral and murderous government.

And, not all African colonies were fully supportive of the Allied side in WW II.  Indeed, the very first action of the Rhodesian Government in September 1939 on hearing that Britain had declared war on Germany was to send troops to the border with South Africa!  The Rhodesians feared that the South Africans would join the war on the Nazi side and invade them.  

One is reminded of Ronald Reagan in the 1980s opposing sanctions on South Africa on the grounds that the country had been allies of the USA in WW II, at a time when South Africa was governed by a party (the National Party) whose leaders had spent that war in internment camps, so strong were their pro-Nazi sentiments.

And Lefever quotes, of all people, Kempton Makamure, someone who denounced the Mugabe Government all through the 1980s for not being sufficiently Stalinist, for not rounding up and deporting white farmers (&quot;kulaks&quot; he called them), along with their black brethren and the black comprador bourgeouisie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The piece is riddled with so many errors, one wonders which planet Lefever&#8217;s Africa is on.</p>

	<p>Mugabe&#8217;s <span class="caps">ZANU</span>-PF was not Soviet supported, but by the Chinese. &#8220;Seven years of turbulence&#8221; for an armed liberation struggle that began officially in 1967 and ended in 1979?  In fact, violent resistance to white colonial rule in Rhodesia had existed since the first white settlers arrived in 1890.</p>

	<p>Ian Smith&#8217;s political actions were so inimical to the interests of his own electors, his own race and his own class, not to mention to the country as a whole and to the region, that to call him a statesman is laughable.  Just because the present Mugabe regime is an evil tyranny does not bless post-hoc goodness on Ian Smith&#8217;s illegal, immoral and murderous government.</p>

	<p>And, not all African colonies were fully supportive of the Allied side in <span class="caps">WW II</span>.  Indeed, the very first action of the Rhodesian Government in September 1939 on hearing that Britain had declared war on Germany was to send troops to the border with South Africa!  The Rhodesians feared that the South Africans would join the war on the Nazi side and invade them.</p>

	<p>One is reminded of Ronald Reagan in the 1980s opposing sanctions on South Africa on the grounds that the country had been allies of the <span class="caps">USA</span> in <span class="caps">WW II</span>, at a time when South Africa was governed by a party (the National Party) whose leaders had spent that war in internment camps, so strong were their pro-Nazi sentiments.</p>

	<p>And Lefever quotes, of all people, Kempton Makamure, someone who denounced the Mugabe Government all through the 1980s for not being sufficiently Stalinist, for not rounding up and deporting white farmers (&#8220;kulaks&#8221; he called them), along with their black brethren and the black comprador bourgeouisie.</p>
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		<title>By: Fats Durston</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/28/maybe-where-the-hidden-imam-lives/comment-page-1/#comment-194669</link>
		<dc:creator>Fats Durston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 04:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dammit, I go on break from grading student essays here in finals week, to do a bit of pleasure reading online, and here I&#039;m reading the same goddam thing.  A paper what&#039;s written between 2:14 a.m. and 3:43 a.m. the night before it&#039;s due.  

Lefever&#039;s screed has all the characteristics: random order of paragraphs; sharp transitions like &quot;Back to Hobbs.&quot;; elided subjects; observations from the 1960s serving as evidence for the present; the inability to look up even the simplest dates on Wikipedia, for crying out loud; self-contradictions*.

I enjoy knowing now about the democratic and prosperous European states from 1476, that the Second Chimurenga consisted of &quot;seven years of turbulence,&quot; or that there&#039;s &quot;something new out of Africa&quot; in an essay that brings us up to 2002.  I especially like learning the fact that Africans haven&#039;t experienced the Reformation.  No Protestant missionaries ever got themselves to the Dark Continent, did they?  (And plus Africans didn&#039;t have a delightful century-and-a-half of sectarian violence.)  



Note to Lefever: Africans experienced the industrial revolution as, say, enslaved sugar producers, as commodities exchanged for the cheap cloth, as rubber gatherers who lost their hands, and as palm oil traders who lost their business to British gunboats. 

You&#039;d think a publication(?!) with the word &quot;standard&quot; in its name might actually have some, no?

*People are wrong to see Africa as a perpetual Hobb[e]sian state.  So let me tell you about how it&#039;s always been Hobb[e]sian when Europeans weren&#039;t dictating the terms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Dammit, I go on break from grading student essays here in finals week, to do a bit of pleasure reading online, and here I&#8217;m reading the same goddam thing.  A paper what&#8217;s written between 2:14 a.m. and 3:43 a.m. the night before it&#8217;s due.</p>

	<p>Lefever&#8217;s screed has all the characteristics: random order of paragraphs; sharp transitions like &#8220;Back to Hobbs.&#8221;; elided subjects; observations from the 1960s serving as evidence for the present; the inability to look up even the simplest dates on Wikipedia, for crying out loud; self-contradictions*.</p>

	<p>I enjoy knowing now about the democratic and prosperous European states from 1476, that the Second Chimurenga consisted of &#8220;seven years of turbulence,&#8221; or that there&#8217;s &#8220;something new out of Africa&#8221; in an essay that brings us up to 2002.  I especially like learning the fact that Africans haven&#8217;t experienced the Reformation.  No Protestant missionaries ever got themselves to the Dark Continent, did they?  (And plus Africans didn&#8217;t have a delightful century-and-a-half of sectarian violence.)</p>



	<p>Note to Lefever: Africans experienced the industrial revolution as, say, enslaved sugar producers, as commodities exchanged for the cheap cloth, as rubber gatherers who lost their hands, and as palm oil traders who lost their business to British gunboats.</p>

	<p>You&#8217;d think a publication(?!) with the word &#8220;standard&#8221; in its name might actually have some, no?</p>

	<p>*People are wrong to see Africa as a perpetual Hobb[e]sian state.  So let me tell you about how it&#8217;s always been Hobb[e]sian when Europeans weren&#8217;t dictating the terms.</p>
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		<title>By: Kieran Healy</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/28/maybe-where-the-hidden-imam-lives/comment-page-1/#comment-194667</link>
		<dc:creator>Kieran Healy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 04:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could easily be wrong. I also remember Watt in another cartoon in that book, I think attaching a pricetag to a mountain and saying &quot;Because it is there.&quot; So maybe I&#039;m mislabeling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I could easily be wrong. I also remember Watt in another cartoon in that book, I think attaching a pricetag to a mountain and saying &#8220;Because it is there.&#8221; So maybe I&#8217;m mislabeling.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Weiner</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/28/maybe-where-the-hidden-imam-lives/comment-page-1/#comment-194666</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Weiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 04:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kieran---The Gang of Eight! That&#039;s where I saw it.

I do have a pretty vivid memory of the fourth one being &quot;human rights,&quot; though; and I think I&#039;d be less likely to remember a cartoon about Watt as about Lefever than vice versa, because Watt loomed pretty large on the landscape in the &#039;80s* and basically I&#039;ve only heard of Lefever twice, when I read that cartoon and when I read this post. My mom told me about a philological principle (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.earlham.edu/~seidti/iam/text_crit.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;lectio difficilior lectio potior&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, apparently) that the less likely reeading is probably the original one. This would make it more likely that it is Lefever; though it wouldn&#039;t account for why you think it&#039;s Watt, since you never heard of the guy. 

So, hum. I give Lefever a p of 0.6 on my current evidence. If I&#039;m wrong, which I could well be, there must have been some other cartoon about Lefever in there.

*The Beach Boys! The plaster foot with the hole in it! &quot;A black, a woman, two Jews, and a cripple!&quot; There was definitely a Bloom County cartoon about that one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Kieran&#8212;-The Gang of Eight! That&#8217;s where I saw it.</p>

	<p>I do have a pretty vivid memory of the fourth one being &#8220;human rights,&#8221; though; and I think I&#8217;d be less likely to remember a cartoon about Watt as about Lefever than vice versa, because Watt loomed pretty large on the landscape in the &#8216;80s* and basically I&#8217;ve only heard of Lefever twice, when I read that cartoon and when I read this post. My mom told me about a philological principle (<a href="http://www.earlham.edu/~seidti/iam/text_crit.html" rel="nofollow"><i>lectio difficilior lectio potior</i></a>, apparently) that the less likely reeading is probably the original one. This would make it more likely that it is Lefever; though it wouldn&#8217;t account for why you think it&#8217;s Watt, since you never heard of the guy.</p>

	<p>So, hum. I give Lefever a p of 0.6 on my current evidence. If I&#8217;m wrong, which I could well be, there must have been some other cartoon about Lefever in there.</p>

	<p>*The Beach Boys! The plaster foot with the hole in it! &#8220;A black, a woman, two Jews, and a cripple!&#8221; There was definitely a Bloom County cartoon about that one.</p>
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		<title>By: P O'Neill</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/28/maybe-where-the-hidden-imam-lives/comment-page-1/#comment-194663</link>
		<dc:creator>P O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 03:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think he gets special audacity points for presenting Ian Smith&#039;s UDI regime as &quot;eventually established as a self-governing British colony&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I think he gets special audacity points for presenting Ian Smith&#8217;s <span class="caps">UDI</span> regime as &#8220;eventually established as a self-governing British colony&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Kieran Healy</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/28/maybe-where-the-hidden-imam-lives/comment-page-1/#comment-194661</link>
		<dc:creator>Kieran Healy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 02:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt -- I&#039;ve seen that cartoon too, but it&#039;s not of this guy. It&#039;s about James Watt as Secretary of the Interior. I remember buying a book of American political cartoons called The Gang of Eight (people like Jules Feiffer, Tony Auth, Jeff MacNelly, others. I must have bought it around 1987 or so, and it gave me this semi-education in American political life even though I didn&#039;t understand half the cartoons because they were about people (like Watt, or Ed Meese or what have you) I had no knowledge of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Matt&#8212;I&#8217;ve seen that cartoon too, but it&#8217;s not of this guy. It&#8217;s about James Watt as Secretary of the Interior. I remember buying a book of American political cartoons called The Gang of Eight (people like Jules Feiffer, Tony Auth, Jeff MacNelly, others. I must have bought it around 1987 or so, and it gave me this semi-education in American political life even though I didn&#8217;t understand half the cartoons because they were about people (like Watt, or Ed Meese or what have you) I had no knowledge of.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/28/maybe-where-the-hidden-imam-lives/comment-page-1/#comment-194657</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 01:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rang a faint bell...  Ah, yes, the Nestle infant formula apologist:
 
http://multinationalmonitor.org/hyper/issues/1981/02/ratner.html

A cold-war academic.  I think there are more Africa connections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Rang a faint bell&#8230;  Ah, yes, the Nestle infant formula apologist:</p>

	<p><a href="http://multinationalmonitor.org/hyper/issues/1981/02/ratner.html" rel="nofollow">http://multinationalmonitor.org/hyper/issues/1981/02/ratner.html</a></p>

	<p>A cold-war academic.  I think there are more Africa connections.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene O'Grady</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/04/28/maybe-where-the-hidden-imam-lives/comment-page-1/#comment-194656</link>
		<dc:creator>Gene O'Grady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 01:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Rhodes was active after 1897 it couldn&#039;t have been the world&#039;s first national park, since Yellowstone and Yosemite at least were national parks in the US before that date.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>If Rhodes was active after 1897 it couldn&#8217;t have been the world&#8217;s first national park, since Yellowstone and Yosemite at least were national parks in the US before that date.</p>
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