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		<title>By: Hattie</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/05/03/time-check/comment-page-1/#comment-195676</link>
		<dc:creator>Hattie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 05:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is wonderful to read all of this. How I have missed you, Berube, and your commenters.
I would love to know how your students respond to *Paradise.* I read it three times and made maps of the town and biographies of all the characters. Wonderful book. I think I will read it again soon. 
And anything by Roth is important. I think of him as the most honest man in literature. 
We are so lucky to have these writers in our time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It is wonderful to read all of this. How I have missed you, Berube, and your commenters.<br />
I would love to know how your students respond to <strong>Paradise.</strong> I read it three times and made maps of the town and biographies of all the characters. Wonderful book. I think I will read it again soon.<br />
And anything by Roth is important. I think of him as the most honest man in literature.<br />
We are so lucky to have these writers in our time.</p>
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		<title>By: The Constructivist</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/05/03/time-check/comment-page-1/#comment-195552</link>
		<dc:creator>The Constructivist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 10:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, I can say that teaching in Japan frees up lots of reading, prep, and class time for family, research, and blogging (sometimes even in that order). And I can ask, why not Silko&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Almanac of the Dead&lt;/i&gt;?  (I recently pegged it as one of &lt;a href=&quot;http://citizense.blogspot.com/2007/03/adventures-in-lazy-blogging-from-sendai.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;nine recent novels that will change your conception of American literature and history&lt;/a&gt;  I&#039;m also partial to Yamashita&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Tropic of Orange&lt;/i&gt;.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hmm, I can say that teaching in Japan frees up lots of reading, prep, and class time for family, research, and blogging (sometimes even in that order). And I can ask, why not Silko&#8217;s <i>Almanac of the Dead</i>?  (I recently pegged it as one of <a href="http://citizense.blogspot.com/2007/03/adventures-in-lazy-blogging-from-sendai.html" rel="nofollow">nine recent novels that will change your conception of American literature and history</a>  I&#8217;m also partial to Yamashita&#8217;s <i>Tropic of Orange</i>.)</p>
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		<title>By: notjonathon</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/05/03/time-check/comment-page-1/#comment-195402</link>
		<dc:creator>notjonathon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 01:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should have added that I lived in Santa Rosa for eleven years, and I even once went to a party at the Schultz&#039;s, not to mention the kids&#039; ice skating parties at the House that Snoopy built.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I should have added that I lived in Santa Rosa for eleven years, and I even once went to a party at the Schultz&#8217;s, not to mention the kids&#8217; ice skating parties at the House that Snoopy built.</p>
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		<title>By: notjonathon</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/05/03/time-check/comment-page-1/#comment-195401</link>
		<dc:creator>notjonathon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 01:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You people are so clever. None of your weeping and wailing compares to trying to teach American literature in a third-rate Japanese university (as to the sad tale of how I got here . . . and after 30 years living in coastal California--sigh. At least there&#039;s a roof over our heads and food on the table--and universal health care). Now, for financial reasons, our school is inundated with Chinese and Korean students who barely even understand &lt;i&gt;Japanese&lt;/i&gt;, much less English.

Maybe &lt;i&gt;Peanuts&lt;/i&gt; is the answer for me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You people are so clever. None of your weeping and wailing compares to trying to teach American literature in a third-rate Japanese university (as to the sad tale of how I got here . . . and after 30 years living in coastal California&#8212;sigh. At least there&#8217;s a roof over our heads and food on the table&#8212;and universal health care). Now, for financial reasons, our school is inundated with Chinese and Korean students who barely even understand <i>Japanese</i>, much less English.</p>

	<p>Maybe <i>Peanuts</i> is the answer for me?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Bérubé</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/05/03/time-check/comment-page-1/#comment-195394</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Bérubé</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 00:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luxury, John.  Sheer luxury.  You&#039;re lucky to have a lake! There are a hundred and fifty of us teaching out of a shoebox in the middle of the road.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Luxury, John.  Sheer luxury.  You&#8217;re lucky to have a lake! There are a hundred and fifty of us teaching out of a shoebox in the middle of the road.</p>
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		<title>By: John Protevi</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/05/03/time-check/comment-page-1/#comment-195334</link>
		<dc:creator>John Protevi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 15:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha! You think &lt;i&gt;you&#039;re&lt;/i&gt; busy! My department chair wakes me up a half hour before I go to sleep, and makes me work 48 hours a day. And we have to live in the lake!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ha! You think <i>you&#8217;re</i> busy! My department chair wakes me up a half hour before I go to sleep, and makes me work 48 hours a day. And we have to live in the lake!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Bérubé</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/05/03/time-check/comment-page-1/#comment-195326</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Bérubé</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 13:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Herwigs?

Check out the eggplant parmesan grinders from the Stork&#039;s Nest.  And the red or green chicken curry from Viet-Thai, or the panang curry from Cozy Thai!  And don&#039;t forget, the spam from the Diner can&#039;t be beat.

I found something on the Colson Whitehead event for you, btw:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://heatstrings.blogspot.com/2007/04/colson-whitehead-at-penn-state.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a blog post from my colleague Aldon Lynn Nielsen&lt;/a&gt;, which doesn&#039;t reproduce my remarks or Whitehead&#039;s but does prove once and for all that my ginormous looming ghostly head is three times the size of Charlie Harris&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Herwigs?</p>

	<p>Check out the eggplant parmesan grinders from the Stork&#8217;s Nest.  And the red or green chicken curry from Viet-Thai, or the panang curry from Cozy Thai!  And don&#8217;t forget, the spam from the Diner can&#8217;t be beat.</p>

	<p>I found something on the Colson Whitehead event for you, btw:  <a href="http://heatstrings.blogspot.com/2007/04/colson-whitehead-at-penn-state.html" rel="nofollow">a blog post from my colleague Aldon Lynn Nielsen</a>, which doesn&#8217;t reproduce my remarks or Whitehead&#8217;s but does prove once and for all that my ginormous looming ghostly head is three times the size of Charlie Harris&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: june16_1904</title>
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		<dc:creator>june16_1904</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 20:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>India Pavilion, Herwigs...

yeah, I&#039;m at two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>India Pavilion, Herwigs&#8230;</p>

	<p>yeah, I&#8217;m at two.</p>
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		<title>By: alwsdad</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/05/03/time-check/comment-page-1/#comment-195230</link>
		<dc:creator>alwsdad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 19:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I don&#039;t teach literature, so I&#039;m no help, but I appreciate the suggestions for my summer reading.  I got Native Speaker as a gift recently, and I think I&#039;ll move The Intuitionist to the top of my wish list.

And can you get the eggs, bacon and spam without the spam?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Well I don&#8217;t teach literature, so I&#8217;m no help, but I appreciate the suggestions for my summer reading.  I got Native Speaker as a gift recently, and I think I&#8217;ll move The Intuitionist to the top of my wish list.</p>

	<p>And can you get the eggs, bacon and spam without the spam?</p>
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		<title>By: gmoke</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/05/03/time-check/comment-page-1/#comment-195227</link>
		<dc:creator>gmoke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 18:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good on you for being such a teacher.  You obviously take the art and craft of teaching seriously.  Thanks for doing that.  It expands my world to know that someone like you is out there expostulating and inspiring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Good on you for being such a teacher.  You obviously take the art and craft of teaching seriously.  Thanks for doing that.  It expands my world to know that someone like you is out there expostulating and inspiring.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Bérubé</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/05/03/time-check/comment-page-1/#comment-195225</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Bérubé</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 18:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;What sort of criteria did you use for coming up with the syllabus for this class? It seems really intimidating (from a student/dilettante perspective) to come up with something that is in a sense proto-canonical, or whatever the right term would be.&lt;/i&gt;

Well, it&#039;s not really as hard as it looks, Zach, and despite what Fred says in comment 26b, I&#039;m bettin&#039; that most of these books will still compel our attention in another 25 years.  Kincaid, Auster, DeLillo, Morrison, Roth, and Powers have already established themselves as major figures, and their imaginative range and power is such that even their second-tier work is of interest.  (Though I think &lt;i&gt;Underworld&lt;/i&gt; is the best among the seven DeLillos I&#039;ve read, and &lt;i&gt;The Echo Maker&lt;/i&gt; among the two best of the five Powerses.)  Whitehead and Lee are exceptionally promising youngsters, and you know, on some level you just can&#039;t argue with a MacArthur and a PEN-Faulkner Award.  I also happen to think that &lt;i&gt;The Intuitionist&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;Native Speaker&lt;/i&gt; are exceptionally vivid and well-realized novels.  Franzen . . . ah, well, Franzen is material for a whole nother post.  I&#039;ve turned on &lt;i&gt;The Corrections&lt;/i&gt; for reasons that have nothing to do with the Great Oprah Debacle, though I still admire the writing in places.  And Cris Mazza is an alt.press kinda-experimentalist whose work I&#039;ve enjoyed for about a decade or so, but never taught.

&lt;i&gt;Please consider dropping Roth’s “Plot Against America”.&lt;/i&gt;

Mitchell, I taught &lt;i&gt;American Pastoral&lt;/i&gt; last year and think it&#039;s vastly superior to &lt;i&gt;The Plot Against America&lt;/i&gt;.  But you should know that I did my due diligence and compared-and-contrasted Roth&#039;s version of alternate history with a book called &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Disturbance-Fate-Mitchell-J-Freedman/dp/1931643229&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A Disturbance of Fate&lt;/a&gt;, which I described to both classes in some detail.  Also I brought in the Simpsons&#039; version of &quot;A Sound of Thunder&quot; (from the Treehouse of Horror #8), and that was fun.

But it was worth teaching this one time.  As with Lindbergh&#039;s presidency, no lasting damage was done.  But Kingsolver, yes.  And I&#039;m surprised no one&#039;s nominated Cormac McCarthy.

&lt;i&gt;So, I teach it badly once, and the next time I do well.&lt;/i&gt;

RM, that&#039;s exactly what my dissertation director, Michael Levenson, told me as I packed the U-Haul for Illinois 18 years ago:  you never get it right the first time, so don&#039;t worry about that part.  It&#039;s like the first pancake:  it&#039;s always a little bit off.  So I apologize to my students for burning them on one side, and ask (on the course evaluations) for all the suggestions they can make for the benefit of Students Yet to Come.

&lt;i&gt;the parts of What’s Liberal in which you described your pedagogical techniques were by far my favorite&lt;/i&gt;

Thanks, Colin.  This made my day.  Not least because I&#039;d never tried to write an extended narrative about what a course is like.

&lt;i&gt;Speaking as a PSU grad-where on Earth do you go out out/order from every night? There aren’t all that many dining options in Centre County.&lt;/i&gt;

There are three, FS.  Of course, it helps that we really love spam.  Spam and bacon, spam and eggs, eggs, bacon and spam. . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>What sort of criteria did you use for coming up with the syllabus for this class? It seems really intimidating (from a student/dilettante perspective) to come up with something that is in a sense proto-canonical, or whatever the right term would be.</i></p>

	<p>Well, it&#8217;s not really as hard as it looks, Zach, and despite what Fred says in comment 26b, I&#8217;m bettin&#8217; that most of these books will still compel our attention in another 25 years.  Kincaid, Auster, DeLillo, Morrison, Roth, and Powers have already established themselves as major figures, and their imaginative range and power is such that even their second-tier work is of interest.  (Though I think <i>Underworld</i> is the best among the seven DeLillos I&#8217;ve read, and <i>The Echo Maker</i> among the two best of the five Powerses.)  Whitehead and Lee are exceptionally promising youngsters, and you know, on some level you just can&#8217;t argue with a MacArthur and a <span class="caps">PEN</span>-Faulkner Award.  I also happen to think that <i>The Intuitionist</i> and <i>Native Speaker</i> are exceptionally vivid and well-realized novels.  Franzen . . . ah, well, Franzen is material for a whole nother post.  I&#8217;ve turned on <i>The Corrections</i> for reasons that have nothing to do with the Great Oprah Debacle, though I still admire the writing in places.  And Cris Mazza is an alt.press kinda-experimentalist whose work I&#8217;ve enjoyed for about a decade or so, but never taught.</p>

	<p><i>Please consider dropping Roth&#8217;s &#8220;Plot Against America&#8221;.</i></p>

	<p>Mitchell, I taught <i>American Pastoral</i> last year and think it&#8217;s vastly superior to <i>The Plot Against America</i>.  But you should know that I did my due diligence and compared-and-contrasted Roth&#8217;s version of alternate history with a book called <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Disturbance-Fate-Mitchell-J-Freedman/dp/1931643229" rel="nofollow">A Disturbance of Fate</a>, which I described to both classes in some detail.  Also I brought in the Simpsons&#8217; version of &#8220;A Sound of Thunder&#8221; (from the Treehouse of Horror #8), and that was fun.</p>

	<p>But it was worth teaching this one time.  As with Lindbergh&#8217;s presidency, no lasting damage was done.  But Kingsolver, yes.  And I&#8217;m surprised no one&#8217;s nominated Cormac McCarthy.</p>

	<p><i>So, I teach it badly once, and the next time I do well.</i></p>

	<p>RM, that&#8217;s exactly what my dissertation director, Michael Levenson, told me as I packed the U-Haul for Illinois 18 years ago:  you never get it right the first time, so don&#8217;t worry about that part.  It&#8217;s like the first pancake:  it&#8217;s always a little bit off.  So I apologize to my students for burning them on one side, and ask (on the course evaluations) for all the suggestions they can make for the benefit of Students Yet to Come.</p>

	<p><i>the parts of What&#8217;s Liberal in which you described your pedagogical techniques were by far my favorite</i></p>

	<p>Thanks, Colin.  This made my day.  Not least because I&#8217;d never tried to write an extended narrative about what a course is like.</p>

	<p><i>Speaking as a <span class="caps">PSU</span> grad-where on Earth do you go out out/order from every night? There aren&#8217;t all that many dining options in Centre County.</i></p>

	<p>There are three, FS.  Of course, it helps that we really love spam.  Spam and bacon, spam and eggs, eggs, bacon and spam. . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Friday Procrastination: Link Love : OUPblog</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/05/03/time-check/comment-page-1/#comment-195220</link>
		<dc:creator>Friday Procrastination: Link Love : OUPblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 17:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A great article on blogging by Michael Bérubé. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[...] A great article on blogging by Michael B&#233;rub&#233;. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick S. O'Donnell</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/05/03/time-check/comment-page-1/#comment-195219</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick S. O'Donnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 17:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: &#039;how people in other disciplines approach courses in which they’re teaching more than half the material for the first time.&#039;

I usually teach a course in &#039;comparative world religions&#039; (Phil. Dept.; Confucianism, Taoism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, Christianity and Islam) and this semester I was asked to fill in for a long-time friend who teaches a course in &#039;political thinking &#039; (Pol. Sci. Dept.; he left for a semester for our college&#039;s study abroad program) which is a course that amounts to a survey of Western political thought: Plato, Aristotle, Cicero, Augustine, Aquinas, Machiavelli, Hobbes, Locke, Rousseau, Hegel, Marx...., as well as key political ideas: political obligation, natural law, social contract, etc. I thought I was more or less prepared but found I really needed to read all of these philosophers over again, and very carefully at that, as well as look at some secondary material (e.g., I enjoyed reading what Rawls had to say about Hobbes, Locke and Rousseau). In short, I was swamped, with absolutely no meaningful free time and very little sleep. Of course the second time around would be much easier, having now done the bulk of the course preparation (but as the class is outside my home dept. it&#039;s unlikely I&#039;ll be teaching it again). I think I worked for less than a dollar per hour this semester, so I suppose the money has very little to do with it! Lectures on Marx next week and reading papers for both of my classes at present so I better get back to work. [I&#039;m an adjunct instructor at our college and work outside academica as well. And I did find the time to complete some small pieces for publication by way of keeping my sanity.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Re: &#8216;how people in other disciplines approach courses in which they&#8217;re teaching more than half the material for the first time.&#8217;</p>

	<p>I usually teach a course in &#8216;comparative world religions&#8217; (Phil. Dept.; Confucianism, Taoism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, Christianity and Islam) and this semester I was asked to fill in for a long-time friend who teaches a course in &#8216;political thinking &#8217; (Pol. Sci. Dept.; he left for a semester for our college&#8217;s study abroad program) which is a course that amounts to a survey of Western political thought: Plato, Aristotle, Cicero, Augustine, Aquinas, Machiavelli, Hobbes, Locke, Rousseau, Hegel, Marx&#8230;., as well as key political ideas: political obligation, natural law, social contract, etc. I thought I was more or less prepared but found I really needed to read all of these philosophers over again, and very carefully at that, as well as look at some secondary material (e.g., I enjoyed reading what Rawls had to say about Hobbes, Locke and Rousseau). In short, I was swamped, with absolutely no meaningful free time and very little sleep. Of course the second time around would be much easier, having now done the bulk of the course preparation (but as the class is outside my home dept. it&#8217;s unlikely I&#8217;ll be teaching it again). I think I worked for less than a dollar per hour this semester, so I suppose the money has very little to do with it! Lectures on Marx next week and reading papers for both of my classes at present so I better get back to work. [I&#8217;m an adjunct instructor at our college and work outside academica as well. And I did find the time to complete some small pieces for publication by way of keeping my sanity.]</p>
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		<title>By: fardels bear</title>
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		<dc:creator>fardels bear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 17:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a history of science professor as an undergraduate who used the Behemoth Book as an answer to scientists who claimed that science was difficult and the humanities was easy.

Whenever he heard a scientist say that, he would hand the scientist the first volume of the SUMMA THEOLOGICA and say, &quot;Let me know when you&#039;ve finished that, we&#039;ll discuss it and then you can start on the next volume.&quot;

He claimed it worked quite well to make his point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I had a history of science professor as an undergraduate who used the Behemoth Book as an answer to scientists who claimed that science was difficult and the humanities was easy.</p>

	<p>Whenever he heard a scientist say that, he would hand the scientist the first volume of the <span class="caps">SUMMA THEOLOGICA</span> and say, &#8220;Let me know when you&#8217;ve finished that, we&#8217;ll discuss it and then you can start on the next volume.&#8221;</p>

	<p>He claimed it worked quite well to make his point.</p>
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		<title>By: rm</title>
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		<dc:creator>rm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 15:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of my favorite grad school professors did a Three Behemoth Books class for honors freshmen. Are these a genre? I don&#039;t remember what was on it -- Clarissa, Moby Dick, and V? Bleak House, Gravity&#039;s Rainbow, and Battlefield Earth? I&#039;m pretty sure Pynchon was one of the authors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>One of my favorite grad school professors did a Three Behemoth Books class for honors freshmen. Are these a genre? I don&#8217;t remember what was on it&#8212;Clarissa, Moby Dick, and V? Bleak House, Gravity&#8217;s Rainbow, and Battlefield Earth? I&#8217;m pretty sure Pynchon was one of the authors.</p>
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