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	<title>Comments on: Hydration Allowed: There&#8217;s Posh For You</title>
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	<description>Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made</description>
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		<title>By: Craigers</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/05/09/hydration-allowed-theres-posh-for-you/comment-page-2/#comment-196488</link>
		<dc:creator>Craigers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 17:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;the view that parents are the consumers of education is a surprisingly persistent one. The consumers of education have never been given a choice in the matter, though I would be in favour of an experiment where they were allowed to try.&lt;/i&gt;

*Applause*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>the view that parents are the consumers of education is a surprisingly persistent one. The consumers of education have never been given a choice in the matter, though I would be in favour of an experiment where they were allowed to try.</i></p>

	<p><strong>Applause</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Britblog Roundup #117 &#171; From The Dustbin of History</title>
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		<dc:creator>Britblog Roundup #117 &#171; From The Dustbin of History</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 17:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a playground. Dsquared is a good place to start off, with a well-researched support of the policy; Crooked Timber [...]</description>
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		<title>By: dsquared</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/05/09/hydration-allowed-theres-posh-for-you/comment-page-2/#comment-196252</link>
		<dc:creator>dsquared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 13:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Local Councils make decisions without adequate consultation surprise!&lt;/i&gt;

Saying that this consultation process wasn&#039;t adequate doesn&#039;t actually make it so.  You seem to be embarrassingly short on actual local opposition to this school you know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Local Councils make decisions without adequate consultation surprise!</i></p>

	<p>Saying that this consultation process wasn&#8217;t adequate doesn&#8217;t actually make it so.  You seem to be embarrassingly short on actual local opposition to this school you know.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Hardie</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/05/09/hydration-allowed-theres-posh-for-you/comment-page-2/#comment-196234</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Hardie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 10:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On his weblog (&#039;Dsquared digest&#039;, for those who have never had that pleasure) Dsquared&#039;s &#039;complete and humiliating refutation&#039; of me is going as well as Napoleon&#039;s complete and humiliating defeat of the Russian army in 1812. Alex, Dave, Nigel and Richard have done such an unimprovably brutal job on this thread that I fear they may face prosecution under the Cruel Sports Act.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>On his weblog (&#8216;Dsquared digest&#8217;, for those who have never had that pleasure) Dsquared&#8217;s &#8216;complete and humiliating refutation&#8217; of me is going as well as Napoleon&#8217;s complete and humiliating defeat of the Russian army in 1812. Alex, Dave, Nigel and Richard have done such an unimprovably brutal job on this thread that I fear they may face prosecution under the Cruel Sports Act.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Hansell.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Hansell.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 09:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;and they might have if they’d received a lot of objections, but they didn’t and they didn’t.&quot;

Pope found to be Catholic shock!

Bears shit in woods sensation!

Local Councils make decisions without adequate consultation surprise!

It seems I need to revise my earlier comment.  It would clearly be cruel and inhuman to subject someone who has led such a sheltered life like d2 to the jungle of the school playground.

Social Services should be contacted immediatly to obtain an emergency protection order for d2&#039;s own physical, emotional and mental safety before he comes into contact with the real world.

Oh. And someone should nip down to the local chemists to get d2 a tube of gorm as he&#039;s clearly lacking in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;and they might have if they&#8217;d received a lot of objections, but they didn&#8217;t and they didn&#8217;t.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Pope found to be Catholic shock!</p>

	<p>Bears shit in woods sensation!</p>

	<p>Local Councils make decisions without adequate consultation surprise!</p>

	<p>It seems I need to revise my earlier comment.  It would clearly be cruel and inhuman to subject someone who has led such a sheltered life like d2 to the jungle of the school playground.</p>

	<p>Social Services should be contacted immediatly to obtain an emergency protection order for d2&#8217;s own physical, emotional and mental safety before he comes into contact with the real world.</p>

	<p>Oh. And someone should nip down to the local chemists to get d2 a tube of gorm as he&#8217;s clearly lacking in it.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/05/09/hydration-allowed-theres-posh-for-you/comment-page-2/#comment-196114</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 17:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;a planning inquiry, and rather funky artists’ impressions have been available for two years, without raising local outrage.&lt;/i&gt;

I just can&#039;t resist referring to Douglas Adams here. Was it, in fact, located behind the traditional &quot;beware of the tiger&quot; sign?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>a planning inquiry, and rather funky artists&#8217; impressions have been available for two years, without raising local outrage.</i></p>

	<p>I just can&#8217;t resist referring to Douglas Adams here. Was it, in fact, located behind the traditional &#8220;beware of the tiger&#8221; sign?</p>
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		<title>By: harry b</title>
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		<dc:creator>harry b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 16:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ajay -- but doesn&#039;t that just prove that education wasn&#039;t their forte?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>ajay&#8212;but doesn&#8217;t that just prove that education wasn&#8217;t their forte?</p>
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		<title>By: ajay</title>
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		<dc:creator>ajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 16:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Education isn’t our forte in Middlesbrough; if it was I’d’ve worked out how to get an e-acute in “forte”.&lt;/i&gt;

There isn&#039;t one. It&#039;s from the French &quot;forte&quot;, pronounced &quot;fort&quot;, and means the strong part of the sword blade - i.e. the bit you want to parry a blow with. It&#039;s pronounced &quot;for-tay&quot; by most people because they confuse it with the (Italian) musical term, spelt the same but pronounced differently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Education isn&#8217;t our forte in Middlesbrough; if it was I&#8217;d&#8217;ve worked out how to get an e-acute in &#8220;forte&#8221;.</i></p>

	<p>There isn&#8217;t one. It&#8217;s from the French &#8220;forte&#8221;, pronounced &#8220;fort&#8221;, and means the strong part of the sword blade &#8211; i.e. the bit you want to parry a blow with. It&#8217;s pronounced &#8220;for-tay&#8221; by most people because they confuse it with the (Italian) musical term, spelt the same but pronounced differently.</p>
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		<title>By: dsquared</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/05/09/hydration-allowed-theres-posh-for-you/comment-page-2/#comment-196091</link>
		<dc:creator>dsquared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 16:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It’s a remarkable document in managerialist crapspeak however you cut it&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s not?   It&#039;s just a little newsletter telling people what&#039;s going on with the Academy project.  It&#039;s not wonderfully well written but how many newsletters are?  I have to say that the &quot;managerialism&quot; concept rather jumped the shark for me when it was applied in the same week to a) Adam Smith&#039;s example of the pin factory and b) the secret ballot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>It&#8217;s a remarkable document in managerialist crapspeak however you cut it</i></p>

	<p>It&#8217;s not?   It&#8217;s just a little newsletter telling people what&#8217;s going on with the Academy project.  It&#8217;s not wonderfully well written but how many newsletters are?  I have to say that the &#8220;managerialism&#8221; concept rather jumped the shark for me when it was applied in the same week to a) Adam Smith&#8217;s example of the pin factory and b) the secret ballot.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 16:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if Dsquared actually read that newsletter he lunk? It&#039;s a remarkable document in managerialist crapspeak however you cut it. I also wonder how he has managed to live in Britain all his life without noticing the amount of energy our institutions devote to preventing young people from straying onto &quot;green lawn areas&quot; and &quot;eco-wetland zones&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I wonder if Dsquared actually read that newsletter he lunk? It&#8217;s a remarkable document in managerialist crapspeak however you cut it. I also wonder how he has managed to live in Britain all his life without noticing the amount of energy our institutions devote to preventing young people from straying onto &#8220;green lawn areas&#8221; and &#8220;eco-wetland zones&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Gdr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gdr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 15:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;&gt; I would be in favour of an experiment where they were allowed to try

Do you mean something like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.summerhillschool.co.uk/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Summerhill&lt;/a&gt;? Or do you have something else in mind?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>>>> I would be in favour of an experiment where they were allowed to try</p>

	<p>Do you mean something like <a href="http://www.summerhillschool.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">Summerhill</a>? Or do you have something else in mind?</p>
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		<title>By: dsquared</title>
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		<dc:creator>dsquared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 11:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but Alex, there&#039;s two issues here; playgrounds and playtimes.  The first surely &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; a planning issue; Peterborough Council could have turned down the planning application if they didn&#039;t think a school with no playground was appropriate (albeit that if you look at the plans, it does appear to have a number of playground-shaped things), and they might have if they&#039;d received a lot of objections, but they didn&#039;t and they didn&#039;t.

The issue of unsupervised breaks is different, but here I think that there is very good ground to believe that we have not got anything like a full picture of what they are actually planning to do.

I do think that the seeming absence of a local campaign against this school is interesting; it suggests to me that the most recent media reports about it have got the wrong end of the stick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>but Alex, there&#8217;s two issues here; playgrounds and playtimes.  The first surely <i>is</i> a planning issue; Peterborough Council could have turned down the planning application if they didn&#8217;t think a school with no playground was appropriate (albeit that if you look at the plans, it does appear to have a number of playground-shaped things), and they might have if they&#8217;d received a lot of objections, but they didn&#8217;t and they didn&#8217;t.</p>

	<p>The issue of unsupervised breaks is different, but here I think that there is very good ground to believe that we have not got anything like a full picture of what they are actually planning to do.</p>

	<p>I do think that the seeming absence of a local campaign against this school is interesting; it suggests to me that the most recent media reports about it have got the wrong end of the stick.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 11:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But local outrage wouldn&#039;t work, Danno. It&#039;s one of Tony&#039;s superduper city academies, which answers only to DFES and the private-sector sponsor who put up a whole £2m of the £46m costs but gets 51 per cent of the governing body for it.

I wasn&#039;t aware the planning process was meant to be the appropriate forum for the governance of education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>But local outrage wouldn&#8217;t work, Danno. It&#8217;s one of Tony&#8217;s superduper city academies, which answers only to <span class="caps">DFES</span> and the private-sector sponsor who put up a whole &#163;2m of the &#163;46m costs but gets 51 per cent of the governing body for it.</p>

	<p>I wasn&#8217;t aware the planning process was meant to be the appropriate forum for the governance of education.</p>
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		<title>By: dsquared</title>
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		<dc:creator>dsquared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 11:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I refute Dan humiliatingly and completely on my own weblog.  As a taster, his assertion that &quot;The local parents were not consulted as to whether they wanted their children to be sent to a playground-less school&quot; is untrue; oddly enough, large things are not built in Peterborough without a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.peterborough.gov.uk/page-3582&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;planning inquiry&lt;/a&gt;, and rather funky &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thomasdeaconacademy.org/_includes/attachments/S41/TDANewsletterJul05.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;artists&#039; impressions&lt;/a&gt; have been available for two years, without raising local outrage.  Perhaps the parents mistook those largish green lawn areas for &quot;playgrounds&quot;; alternatively it might possibly be the case that a newspaper has decided to stir things up and we bloggers have reacted with our usual calm insight and analysis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I refute Dan humiliatingly and completely on my own weblog.  As a taster, his assertion that &#8220;The local parents were not consulted as to whether they wanted their children to be sent to a playground-less school&#8221; is untrue; oddly enough, large things are not built in Peterborough without a <a href="http://www.peterborough.gov.uk/page-3582" rel="nofollow">planning inquiry</a>, and rather funky <a href="http://www.thomasdeaconacademy.org/_includes/attachments/S41/TDANewsletterJul05.pdf" rel="nofollow">artists&#8217; impressions</a> have been available for two years, without raising local outrage.  Perhaps the parents mistook those largish green lawn areas for &#8220;playgrounds&#8221;; alternatively it might possibly be the case that a newspaper has decided to stir things up and we bloggers have reacted with our usual calm insight and analysis.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Hansell.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Hansell.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 10:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I would be in favour of an experiment where they were allowed to try.&quot;

Given the embarassingly abysmal level of argument provided perhaps a more useful experiment would be to send d2 back to school at say Year 7 level.  

He could then spend the wasted time outside the classroom regaling the kids playing 32 a side football and British Bulldog with playground level speeches on how the activities they are engaging in are as a result of a false consciousness brought about by non-adherence to Stalinist facts and pointing out to them that the 18 year olds up the road at the University College don&#039;t need a playground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;I would be in favour of an experiment where they were allowed to try.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Given the embarassingly abysmal level of argument provided perhaps a more useful experiment would be to send d2 back to school at say Year 7 level.</p>

	<p>He could then spend the wasted time outside the classroom regaling the kids playing 32 a side football and British Bulldog with playground level speeches on how the activities they are engaging in are as a result of a false consciousness brought about by non-adherence to Stalinist facts and pointing out to them that the 18 year olds up the road at the University College don&#8217;t need a playground.</p>
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