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		<title>By: Todd Larason</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/05/13/conserva-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-196750</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Larason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 22:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I _was_ Jtl there.  Today I was banned and called a terrorist, and I still don&#039;t know why.  Ahh, the joys of interacting with the paranoid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Well, I <em>was</em> Jtl there.  Today I was banned and called a terrorist, and I still don&#8217;t know why.  Ahh, the joys of interacting with the paranoid.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/05/13/conserva-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-196586</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 20:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s perfectly true that the pericope is not represented in the earliest MSS of John, sometimes appears in some other places, and would generally be considered &quot;inauthentic&quot; by modern textual scholars as part of John.  It &lt;i&gt;would&lt;/i&gt; be considered a very strongly-attested example of the agrapha.

However, most conservative churches -- like the Eastern Orthodox, say, or the RC&#039;s as they were pre-Vatican II -- don&#039;t care.  The text is part of what the Church made part of the canon, and as such is to be taken as canonical, regardless of fine details of authorship.  Rather like the status of II Peter.

And, of course, concluding that it&#039;s not part of the original text of John wouldn&#039;t necessarily mean that the story was untrue; for that matter, it might be &lt;i&gt;more&lt;/i&gt; reliable than John.

The article manages to see most of the trees, but then entirely miss the forest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It&#8217;s perfectly true that the pericope is not represented in the earliest <span class="caps">MSS</span> of John, sometimes appears in some other places, and would generally be considered &#8220;inauthentic&#8221; by modern textual scholars as part of John.  It <i>would</i> be considered a very strongly-attested example of the agrapha.</p>

	<p>However, most conservative churches&#8212;like the Eastern Orthodox, say, or the RC&#8217;s as they were pre-Vatican <span class="caps">II </span>&#8212;don&#8217;t care.  The text is part of what the Church made part of the canon, and as such is to be taken as canonical, regardless of fine details of authorship.  Rather like the status of <span class="caps">II </span>Peter.</p>

	<p>And, of course, concluding that it&#8217;s not part of the original text of John wouldn&#8217;t necessarily mean that the story was untrue; for that matter, it might be <i>more</i> reliable than John.</p>

	<p>The article manages to see most of the trees, but then entirely miss the forest.</p>
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		<title>By: My Alter Ego</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/05/13/conserva-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-196556</link>
		<dc:creator>My Alter Ego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 16:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.conservapedia.com/Bias_in_Wikipedia&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Examples of Bias in Wikipedia&lt;/a&gt; page. So many of the &quot;examples of bias&quot; are nothing of the sort, just random whining. #31 in particular is great: 

&quot;Wikipedia claims about 1.5 million articles, but what it does not say is that a large number of those articles have zero educational value. For example, Wikipedia has 1075 separate articles about &quot;Moby&quot; and &quot;song&quot;.[48] Many hundreds of thousands of Wikipedia articles -- perhaps over half its website -- are about music, Hollywood, and other topics beneath a regular encyclopedia. This reflects a bias towards popular gossip rather than helpful or enlightening information.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I love the <a href="http://www.conservapedia.com/Bias_in_Wikipedia" rel="nofollow">Examples of Bias in Wikipedia</a> page. So many of the &#8220;examples of bias&#8221; are nothing of the sort, just random whining. #31 in particular is great:</p>

	<p>&#8220;Wikipedia claims about 1.5 million articles, but what it does not say is that a large number of those articles have zero educational value. For example, Wikipedia has 1075 separate articles about &#8220;Moby&#8221; and &#8220;song&#8221;.[48] Many hundreds of thousands of Wikipedia articles&#8212;perhaps over half its website&#8212;are about music, Hollywood, and other topics beneath a regular encyclopedia. This reflects a bias towards popular gossip rather than helpful or enlightening information.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: Rich B.</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/05/13/conserva-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-196550</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 15:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not really.  The &quot;Chelm&quot; stories are really the equivalent of &quot;Pollack jokes.&quot;  The make fun of the &quot;wise men&quot; without trying to reveal deeper truths.

As we stated in the other thread, the Jewish equivalent of Nusruddin is &quot;Joha the Trickster.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Not really.  The &#8220;Chelm&#8221; stories are really the equivalent of &#8220;Pollack jokes.&#8221;  The make fun of the &#8220;wise men&#8221; without trying to reveal deeper truths.</p>

	<p>As we stated in the other thread, the Jewish equivalent of Nusruddin is &#8220;Joha the Trickster.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Edelstein</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/05/13/conserva-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-196509</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Edelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 00:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is Mullah Nasruddin one of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eve-tal.com/JewishFolktales.html#The_Tales_of_Chelm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wise Men of Chelm&lt;/a&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Is Mullah Nasruddin one of the <a href="http://www.eve-tal.com/JewishFolktales.html#The_Tales_of_Chelm" rel="nofollow">Wise Men of Chelm</a>?</p>
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		<title>By: Crooked Timber &#187; &#187; Origins of the lamppost joke</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/05/13/conserva-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-196508</link>
		<dc:creator>Crooked Timber &#187; &#187; Origins of the lamppost joke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 23:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to dr slack and other widely read contributors to this comments thread, I found an early version of the drunk/lampost/keys joke commonly directed at economists in which [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[...] to dr slack and other widely read contributors to this comments thread, I found an early version of the drunk/lampost/keys joke commonly directed at economists in which [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/05/13/conserva-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-196500</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 19:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Palestine I believe the Khoja Nasruddin attach to a character called Joha; perhaps we can introduce him into Conservapedia...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>In Palestine I believe the Khoja Nasruddin attach to a character called Joha; perhaps we can introduce him into Conservapedia&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: C. L. Ball</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/05/13/conserva-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-196492</link>
		<dc:creator>C. L. Ball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 17:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, &quot;Earth Wiki&quot; present a fair amount of evidence that the &lt;i&gt;pericope de adultera&lt;/i&gt; indeed comes later, but certainly not definitive evidence. 

The writing in dirt may be an indirect reference, one commentator noted, to the Old Testament &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ccel.org/ccel/bible/asv.Num.5.html?scrBook=Num&amp;scrCh=5-5&amp;scrV=16-24#highlight&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;law of jealousy&quot;&lt;/a&gt;. Jesus is writing the  &#039;curse&#039; or the passage in the sand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Actually, &#8220;Earth Wiki&#8221; present a fair amount of evidence that the <i>pericope de adultera</i> indeed comes later, but certainly not definitive evidence.</p>

	<p>The writing in dirt may be an indirect reference, one commentator noted, to the Old Testament <a href="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/bible/asv.Num.5.html?scrBook=Num&#038;scrCh=5-5&#038;scrV=16-24#highlight" rel="nofollow">&#8220;law of jealousy&#8221;</a>. Jesus is writing the  &#8216;curse&#8217; or the passage in the sand.</p>
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		<title>By: greensmile</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/05/13/conserva-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-196485</link>
		<dc:creator>greensmile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 16:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The gleet-for-brains conservatives are going to get cramps from taking the shears to the KJV to get out all &lt;a href=&quot;http://pithingcontest.blogspot.com/2007/04/strangers-in-strange-land.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;36 variations of God&#039;s instruction to refrain from oppressing the stranger&lt;/a&gt;.
I want to know if the Conservapedia version has the commandment &quot;thou shalt buy thy preacher a television network&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The gleet-for-brains conservatives are going to get cramps from taking the shears to the <span class="caps">KJV</span> to get out all <a href="http://pithingcontest.blogspot.com/2007/04/strangers-in-strange-land.html" rel="nofollow">36 variations of God&#8217;s instruction to refrain from oppressing the stranger</a>.<br />
I want to know if the Conservapedia version has the commandment &#8220;thou shalt buy thy preacher a television network&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: wow</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/05/13/conserva-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-196470</link>
		<dc:creator>wow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 14:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it is not a hoax, it really, really is troubling.  I&#039;m delighted to learn that there is a &quot;conservative&quot; (!?!) version of the bible that flags this bit of time-traveling liberalism.  I&#039;m normally quite critical of knee-jerk Euro-anti-Americanism, but here&#039;s further proof that there is a segment of the U.S. population that is every bit as bonkers as the &quot;euro-weenies&quot; argue.  Breathtaking, simply breathtaking...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>If it is not a hoax, it really, really is troubling.  I&#8217;m delighted to learn that there is a &#8220;conservative&#8221; (<img src="?" alt="" border="0" />) version of the bible that flags this bit of time-traveling liberalism.  I&#8217;m normally quite critical of knee-jerk Euro-anti-Americanism, but here&#8217;s further proof that there is a segment of the U.S. population that is every bit as bonkers as the &#8220;euro-weenies&#8221; argue.  Breathtaking, simply breathtaking&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: lemuel pitkin</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/05/13/conserva-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-196468</link>
		<dc:creator>lemuel pitkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 13:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You really do have to check out the link. It&#039;s every bit as insane -- and depressing -- as the post suggests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You really do have to check out the link. It&#8217;s every bit as insane&#8212;and depressing&#8212;as the post suggests.</p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
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		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 12:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I think it should be &quot;stop it, mother, you&#039;re embarrassing me&quot;. Sounds like some Woody Allen&#039;s joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>No, I think it should be &#8220;stop it, mother, you&#8217;re embarrassing me&#8221;. Sounds like some Woody Allen&#8217;s joke.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 11:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh those wacky, trouble making, time traveling liberals!
Ah gotta go, I hear there&#039;s trouble in Boston 1927 -- something about some dudes named Sacco and Venzetti.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>oh those wacky, trouble making, time traveling liberals!<br />
Ah gotta go, I hear there&#8217;s trouble in Boston 1927&#8212;something about some dudes named Sacco and Venzetti.</p>
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		<title>By: John Quiggin</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/05/13/conserva-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-196454</link>
		<dc:creator>John Quiggin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 10:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the version I heard the punchline is &quot;Mother! How often do I have to tell you not to interrupt me when I&#039;m at work?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>In the version I heard the punchline is &#8220;Mother! How often do I have to tell you not to interrupt me when I&#8217;m at work?&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: Doctor Slack</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/05/13/conserva-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-196452</link>
		<dc:creator>Doctor Slack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 09:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.readliterature.com/h010411.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I think so, yes.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><a href="http://www.readliterature.com/h010411.htm" rel="nofollow">I think so, yes.</a></p>
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