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	<description>Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made</description>
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		<title>By: John Holbo</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/05/16/are-you-shakespearienced/comment-page-1/#comment-196941</link>
		<dc:creator>John Holbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 01:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t know that, George. Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I didn&#8217;t know that, George. Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/05/16/are-you-shakespearienced/comment-page-1/#comment-196938</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 00:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget that TS sang back-up on Matthew Sweet&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Earth&lt;/i&gt;--his too sweet (sorry) album preceeding his big breakthrough &lt;i&gt;Girlfriend&lt;/i&gt;. There&#039;s a cut or two on &lt;i&gt;Earth&lt;/i&gt; when they all sound like Seals and Croft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Don&#8217;t forget that TS sang back-up on Matthew Sweet&#8217;s <i>Earth</i>&#8212;his too sweet (sorry) album preceeding his big breakthrough <i>Girlfriend</i>. There&#8217;s a cut or two on <i>Earth</i> when they all sound like Seals and Croft.</p>
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		<title>By: OHenry</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/05/16/are-you-shakespearienced/comment-page-1/#comment-196913</link>
		<dc:creator>OHenry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 19:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick Nielsen Hayden - 

Thanks, I wasn&#039;t aware. I&#039;ll drop into Digby&#039;s to read what &quot;Tristero&quot; has to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Patrick Nielsen Hayden &#8211;<br />
Thanks, I wasn&#8217;t aware. I&#8217;ll drop into Digby&#8217;s to read what &#8220;Tristero&#8221; has to say.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 13:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post adn comments! Can&#039;t believe someone dropped a Walt Mink reference!

TS was an outstanding live band. They were cloyingly sweet, a little too full of themselves but damn could those boys sing. When Dan, Matt and John would all harmonize together it was truly beautiful. Of course, how can you talk about TS and not mention the very weird, most excellent drummer - Elaine. Only &quot;rock&quot; drummer I saw w/o a high-hat.

If all bad pop was the quality of Semisonic, the quality of bad pop would be much improved. While they had a lot of throw-away material, when they were good they were very, very good.

But, Walt Mink was better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Nice post adn comments! Can&#8217;t believe someone dropped a Walt Mink reference!</p>

	<p>TS was an outstanding live band. They were cloyingly sweet, a little too full of themselves but damn could those boys sing. When Dan, Matt and John would all harmonize together it was truly beautiful. Of course, how can you talk about TS and not mention the very weird, most excellent drummer &#8211; Elaine. Only &#8220;rock&#8221; drummer I saw w/o a high-hat.</p>

	<p>If all bad pop was the quality of Semisonic, the quality of bad pop would be much improved. While they had a lot of throw-away material, when they were good they were very, very good.</p>

	<p>But, Walt Mink was better.</p>
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		<title>By: John Holbo</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/05/16/are-you-shakespearienced/comment-page-1/#comment-196813</link>
		<dc:creator>John Holbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 03:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also forgot the punchline of my post, which was that, not only did the members of Semisonic probably end up disoriented by sudden success, but &quot;Toolmaster&quot; is precisely a parable of &quot;came to town on a charter bus/too young and sweet to be hustling us&quot; one-hit wonder flash and burn-out, then back to Brainerd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I also forgot the punchline of my post, which was that, not only did the members of Semisonic probably end up disoriented by sudden success, but &#8220;Toolmaster&#8221; is precisely a parable of &#8220;came to town on a charter bus/too young and sweet to be hustling us&#8221; one-hit wonder flash and burn-out, then back to Brainerd.</p>
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		<title>By: danno</title>
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		<dc:creator>danno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 02:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I posted about Trip Shakespeare!

Personally, I was always a little mystified by Trip&#039;s appeal.  Part of it was an admittedly stupid hipster-dufus annoyance that Trip brought &quot;those baseball cap wearing dill-holes&quot; into what was &quot;our&quot; turf.  But with a few years behind me, and not having heard that godawful &quot;Toolmaster&quot; song since Clinton&#039;s first term, I&#039;ve come to see Trip as having been a pretty damn good band.  Matt Wilson was a great song-writer, and it&#039;s a shame that he didn&#039;t go on to have the same level of success as Dan did.

&#039;89 to about &#039;94 was a great period for some really stellar pop music out of Minneapolis.  Walt Mink and The Hang Ups put out two of the best local albums of the decade (&quot;Miss Happiness&quot; and &quot;He&#039;s After Me&quot;, respectively.)  Soul Asylum put out their last good album (&quot;And the Horse they Rode In On&quot;), The Spectors put out a handful of really amazing 7&quot; garage/psych-pop, and The 27 Various released the guitar-rock classic &quot;Up&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hey, I posted about Trip Shakespeare!</p>

	<p>Personally, I was always a little mystified by Trip&#8217;s appeal.  Part of it was an admittedly stupid hipster-dufus annoyance that Trip brought &#8220;those baseball cap wearing dill-holes&#8221; into what was &#8220;our&#8221; turf.  But with a few years behind me, and not having heard that godawful &#8220;Toolmaster&#8221; song since Clinton&#8217;s first term, I&#8217;ve come to see Trip as having been a pretty damn good band.  Matt Wilson was a great song-writer, and it&#8217;s a shame that he didn&#8217;t go on to have the same level of success as Dan did.</p>

	<p>&#8216;89 to about &#8216;94 was a great period for some really stellar pop music out of Minneapolis.  Walt Mink and The Hang Ups put out two of the best local albums of the decade (&#8220;Miss Happiness&#8221; and &#8220;He&#8217;s After Me&#8221;, respectively.)  Soul Asylum put out their last good album (&#8220;And the Horse they Rode In On&#8221;), The Spectors put out a handful of really amazing 7&#8221; garage/psych-pop, and The 27 Various released the guitar-rock classic &#8220;Up&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: John Holbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Holbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 01:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rea makes a good point. (I was sort of musing about how one of Yglesias&#039; commenters remarked that Semisonic sounded like &#039;bad Replacements&#039;, as though that were an accident.) 

Also, it&#039;s true that Dan Wilson wasn&#039;t really the soul of Trip Shakespeare, as Brian Wilson was the soul of the Beach Boys. It is unjust that brother Matt never got to be a one-hit wonder as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>rea makes a good point. (I was sort of musing about how one of Yglesias&#8217; commenters remarked that Semisonic sounded like &#8216;bad Replacements&#8217;, as though that were an accident.)</p>

	<p>Also, it&#8217;s true that Dan Wilson wasn&#8217;t really the soul of Trip Shakespeare, as Brian Wilson was the soul of the Beach Boys. It is unjust that brother Matt never got to be a one-hit wonder as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Nielsen Hayden</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/05/16/are-you-shakespearienced/comment-page-1/#comment-196764</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Nielsen Hayden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 23:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Commenters ohenry and keely may simply be unfamiliar with Digby&#039;s regular guestblogger &quot;Tristero,&quot; who is publicly known to be &lt;a href=&quot;http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2007/05/music-stuff-by-tristero-ive-been.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;composer Richard Einhorn&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Commenters ohenry and keely may simply be unfamiliar with Digby&#8217;s regular guestblogger &#8220;Tristero,&#8221; who is publicly known to be <a href="http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2007/05/music-stuff-by-tristero-ive-been.html" rel="nofollow">composer Richard Einhorn</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Keely</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 23:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd,

I&#039;m a fairly regular lurker here, and drop in haphazardly at some of the sites listed on the blogroll at right. When music is discussed, it is almost never classical. This is true for rightwing sites as well (from my limited experience), but one would think that left/liberal bloggers would have a  more catholic and sophisticated taste in music.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Todd,</p>

	<p>I&#8217;m a fairly regular lurker here, and drop in haphazardly at some of the sites listed on the blogroll at right. When music is discussed, it is almost never classical. This is true for rightwing sites as well (from my limited experience), but one would think that left/liberal bloggers would have a  more catholic and sophisticated taste in music.</p>
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		<title>By: todd.</title>
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		<dc:creator>todd.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 22:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, some are unrelated. But one is enough to stand as a counter example to &quot;... not a single one ... ever ....&quot; 

It&#039;s also a crude tool in that it only includes one left-wing-y blog and two specific composers. I really just wanted to suggest that even a minimal amount of work contradicts the idea that no one ever talks about classical music.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sure, some are unrelated. But one is enough to stand as a counter example to &#8220;&#8230; not a single one &#8230; ever &#8230;.&#8221;</p>

	<p>It&#8217;s also a crude tool in that it only includes one left-wing-y blog and two specific composers. I really just wanted to suggest that even a minimal amount of work contradicts the idea that no one ever talks about classical music.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyrone Slothrop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyrone Slothrop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 21:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t know that Semisonic grew from Trip Shakespeare.  This raises my esteem for Semisonic and lowers my esteem for Trip Shakespeare.  John&#039;s post has made me smarter.  It also makes me want to run home and listen to &quot;Toolmaster of Brainerd.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I didn&#8217;t know that Semisonic grew from Trip Shakespeare.  This raises my esteem for Semisonic and lowers my esteem for Trip Shakespeare.  John&#8217;s post has made me smarter.  It also makes me want to run home and listen to &#8220;Toolmaster of Brainerd.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: Keely</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 20:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd,

That&#039;s too crude a tool. Following some of the links you&#039;ve turned up leads to threads that have nothing to do with classical music. E.G.:

http://crookedtimber.org/2005/01/21/friday-fun-thread</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Todd,</p>

	<p>That&#8217;s too crude a tool. Following some of the links you&#8217;ve turned up leads to threads that have nothing to do with classical music. E.G.:</p>

	<p><a href="http://crookedtimber.org/2005/01/21/friday-fun-thread" rel="nofollow">http://crookedtimber.org/2005/01/21/friday-fun-thread</a></p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 20:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ohenry,
Do you mean Nada as in Nada Surf -- another outstanding band?  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ohenry,<br />
Do you mean Nada as in Nada Surf&#8212;another outstanding band?  ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: todd.</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/05/16/are-you-shakespearienced/comment-page-1/#comment-196716</link>
		<dc:creator>todd.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 20:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to go with only the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;safe=off&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;rls=com.ubuntu%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&amp;hs=CL5&amp;q=mozart+OR+beethoven++site%3Acrookedtimber.org&amp;btnG=Search&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;most obvious&lt;/a&gt; form of counter example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m going to go with only the <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&#038;safe=off&#038;client=firefox-a&#038;rls=com.ubuntu%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&#038;hs=CL5&#038;q=mozart+OR+beethoven++site%3Acrookedtimber.org&#038;btnG=Search" rel="nofollow">most obvious</a> form of counter example.</p>
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		<title>By: OHenry</title>
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		<dc:creator>OHenry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 19:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pop, pop and more pop. Rock. Blues rock. Heavy metal. Grunge. Punk. Alternative. Progressive. R&amp;B. House. Indie. New wave. Funk. Techno. Hip-hop...

...so, I&#039;m wondering, what is it about leftwing bloggers that not a single one (that comes immediately to mind) ever posts about classical music? Orchestral or vocal. Solo, chamber or opera. Nothing. Niente. Nada. Did no one grow up listening to &quot;serious&quot; music? Is this a class thing? Something political? Is classical too &quot;decent&quot;? What am I missing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Pop, pop and more pop. Rock. Blues rock. Heavy metal. Grunge. Punk. Alternative. Progressive. R&#038;B. House. Indie. New wave. Funk. Techno. Hip-hop&#8230;</p>

	<p>&#8230;so, I&#8217;m wondering, what is it about leftwing bloggers that not a single one (that comes immediately to mind) ever posts about classical music? Orchestral or vocal. Solo, chamber or opera. Nothing. Niente. Nada. Did no one grow up listening to &#8220;serious&#8221; music? Is this a class thing? Something political? Is classical too &#8220;decent&#8221;? What am I missing?</p>
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