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		<title>By: Ned</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 07:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lahaye was never the head of the UC but was a top official in a Moon front group which he quit when he caught some flack. Lahaye visited the conservative&#039;s messiah, Moon, when the old devil was doing time for conspiracy and tax evasion. LaHaye took it upon himself not to get Moon to repent but instead he apologized to Moon on behalf the US government for jailing him.

You can read a letter Lahaye dictated to Moon&#039;s long time aid and bag man, Bo Hi Pak &lt;a href=&quot;http://iapprovethismessiah.com/2004/04/left-behind-authors-fawning-letter-to.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here.&lt;/a&gt; Pak was the same operative Bush 41 has gone through to get his Moon cheese.

Might I suggest several posts here:
http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:68162 

which explain much of this including this one http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/8/9/13513/46197 which is about one souce of his money.

Moon funneled billions in overseas cash into the USA to fund the rise of the right. And now, after years of kicking the left in the nuts, democrats like Vilsack send him greetings when he tours the country promoting his grand plan. Democrats can be blind naïve fools, suckers.

Moon believes that as Messiah one of his jobs was to restore Christianity which in moonie lingo means raise them up politically as Moon does not separate his movement and politics. In fact he disbanded his “church” in the mid 90s to make way for an all out assault on the political structures of the world. Laugh if wish but you will only be showing how uninformed you are.

He actually drove our country right as you will see if you look back the last 25 years and know the players. He had a plan and he has carried it out while people laugh at him, think of him as some sort of a clown. Conservatives were his blind tools. Moon funded LaHaye, Falwell, Viguerie and operatives like Terry Dolan, the father of the attack ad. His 300,000 strong American Freedom Coalition front which was designed to gather the Christian “right” for political power, was key during the failing years of the Moral Majority and before the advent of the Christian Coalition.

Moon wants a rightwing extremism with a strong theocratic vein governing America and brought the right to power in 2001, without his billions, operatives and fronts there is no way our fragile democracy would have had been conned into letting Bush take the WH. This then helps him gather the nation into his last gambit, the Universal Peace Federation, which he has rolled all his fronts under including the UC/FFWPU. It is his last stand and countries all over the world are falling for his con.

Go &lt;a href=&quot;http://cellwhitman.blogspot.com/2004/10/independent-washington-times.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; for info on the WTimes.

 
http://www.seekgod.ca/cnp.l.htm
&lt;blockquote&gt;Coalition for Religious Freedom [CRF] 9 : Started by Rep. George Hansen in 1984. CRF Executive committee members have included Tim LaHaye , Jerry Falwell, James Robison; Rex Humbard, D. James Kennedy, and Jimmy Swaggart.  &quot;...According to CRF president Dan Sills, [CRF] has received at least $500,000 from Moon sources.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Lahaye was never the head of the UC but was a top official in a Moon front group which he quit when he caught some flack. Lahaye visited the conservative&#8217;s messiah, Moon, when the old devil was doing time for conspiracy and tax evasion. LaHaye took it upon himself not to get Moon to repent but instead he apologized to Moon on behalf the US government for jailing him.</p>

	<p>You can read a letter Lahaye dictated to Moon&#8217;s long time aid and bag man, Bo Hi Pak <a href="http://iapprovethismessiah.com/2004/04/left-behind-authors-fawning-letter-to.html" rel="nofollow">here.</a> Pak was the same operative Bush 41 has gone through to get his Moon cheese.</p>

	<p>Might I suggest several posts here:<br />
<a href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:68162" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:68162</a></p>

	<p>which explain much of this including this one <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/8/9/13513/46197" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/8/9/13513/46197</a> which is about one souce of his money.</p>

	<p>Moon funneled billions in overseas cash into the <span class="caps">USA</span> to fund the rise of the right. And now, after years of kicking the left in the nuts, democrats like Vilsack send him greetings when he tours the country promoting his grand plan. Democrats can be blind na&#239;ve fools, suckers.</p>

	<p>Moon believes that as Messiah one of his jobs was to restore Christianity which in moonie lingo means raise them up politically as Moon does not separate his movement and politics. In fact he disbanded his &#8220;church&#8221; in the mid 90s to make way for an all out assault on the political structures of the world. Laugh if wish but you will only be showing how uninformed you are.</p>

	<p>He actually drove our country right as you will see if you look back the last 25 years and know the players. He had a plan and he has carried it out while people laugh at him, think of him as some sort of a clown. Conservatives were his blind tools. Moon funded LaHaye, Falwell, Viguerie and operatives like Terry Dolan, the father of the attack ad. His 300,000 strong American Freedom Coalition front which was designed to gather the Christian &#8220;right&#8221; for political power, was key during the failing years of the Moral Majority and before the advent of the Christian Coalition.</p>

	<p>Moon wants a rightwing extremism with a strong theocratic vein governing America and brought the right to power in 2001, without his billions, operatives and fronts there is no way our fragile democracy would have had been conned into letting Bush take the WH. This then helps him gather the nation into his last gambit, the Universal Peace Federation, which he has rolled all his fronts under including the UC/FFWPU. It is his last stand and countries all over the world are falling for his con.</p>

	<p>Go <a href="http://cellwhitman.blogspot.com/2004/10/independent-washington-times.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> for info on the WTimes.</p>


	<p><a href="http://www.seekgod.ca/cnp.l.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.seekgod.ca/cnp.l.htm</a><br />
<blockquote>Coalition for Religious Freedom [CRF] 9 : Started by Rep. George Hansen in 1984. <span class="caps">CRF </span>Executive committee members have included Tim LaHaye , Jerry Falwell, James Robison; Rex Humbard, D. James Kennedy, and Jimmy Swaggart.  &#8220;&#8230;According to <span class="caps">CRF</span> president Dan Sills, [CRF] has received at least $500,000 from Moon sources.</blockquote></p>
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		<title>By: Maynard Handley</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/05/23/christians-a-minority-in-the-us/comment-page-2/#comment-198083</link>
		<dc:creator>Maynard Handley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 04:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post displays a profound ignorance of why a situation exists where people think Christianity equals patriotism, specifically the Puritans believed that they were creating a society that, like ancient Israel, represented god&#039;s covenant with a chosen people. 
This strain of thought never really died in US society, driving everything from lack of guilt over native Americans through manifest destiny to America&#039;s continued belief today that not only does it deserve to be hegemon but that it will undoubtedly remain so, in spite of such pesky real world issues as federal debt, trade surplus and ecological concerns [peak oil, global warming].
This line of though is extremely obvious in Mormon theology, but what the Mormons make explicit was taken as common place in the mid-19th century --- Americans were the new Israelites, fleeing the Egypt of godless England across the Red Sea of the Atlantic for the new Israel where the new Moses of George Washington established their new state. (Yeah, like all theology, as soon as you look at the details it doesn&#039;t make much sense.)

Robert Oden, as just one author, has covered this in detail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This post displays a profound ignorance of why a situation exists where people think Christianity equals patriotism, specifically the Puritans believed that they were creating a society that, like ancient Israel, represented god&#8217;s covenant with a chosen people.<br />
This strain of thought never really died in US society, driving everything from lack of guilt over native Americans through manifest destiny to America&#8217;s continued belief today that not only does it deserve to be hegemon but that it will undoubtedly remain so, in spite of such pesky real world issues as federal debt, trade surplus and ecological concerns [peak oil, global warming].<br />
This line of though is extremely obvious in Mormon theology, but what the Mormons make explicit was taken as common place in the mid-19th century&#8212;- Americans were the new Israelites, fleeing the Egypt of godless England across the Red Sea of the Atlantic for the new Israel where the new Moses of George Washington established their new state. (Yeah, like all theology, as soon as you look at the details it doesn&#8217;t make much sense.)</p>

	<p>Robert Oden, as just one author, has covered this in detail.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Bento</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Bento</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 21:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anderson, Lahaye served on the boards of two Moonie organizations in the early 80&#039;s.  Here is a summary from Americans United for Separation of Church and State

&quot;Bo Hi Pak, a longtime Moon operative, gave ACTV $10,000, and LaHaye subsequently agreed to serve on the board of directors of Moon&#039;s own Religious Right group, Christian Voice. LaHaye also joined the board of another Moon front, the Council for Religious Freedom (CRF), which was formed primarily as a vehicle to protest Moon&#039;s 1984 imprisonment after he was convicted of filing false tax returns and obstructing justice.&quot;

http://www.au.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&amp;id=5601&amp;abbr=cs_

I don&#039;t have the source of the quote that he was head of Moon&#039;s organization in the US, and it may have been speakly loosely of his position at Christian Voice. So you got me to look up a specific source, which is good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Anderson, Lahaye served on the boards of two Moonie organizations in the early 80&#8217;s.  Here is a summary from Americans United for Separation of Church and State</p>

	<p>&#8220;Bo Hi Pak, a longtime Moon operative, gave <span class="caps">ACTV </span>$10,000, and LaHaye subsequently agreed to serve on the board of directors of Moon&#8217;s own Religious Right group, Christian Voice. LaHaye also joined the board of another Moon front, the Council for Religious Freedom (CRF), which was formed primarily as a vehicle to protest Moon&#8217;s 1984 imprisonment after he was convicted of filing false tax returns and obstructing justice.&#8221;</p>

	<p><a href="http://www.au.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&#038;id=5601&#038;abbr=cs_" rel="nofollow">http://www.au.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&#038;id=5601&#038;abbr=cs_</a></p>

	<p>I don&#8217;t have the source of the quote that he was head of Moon&#8217;s organization in the US, and it may have been speakly loosely of his position at Christian Voice. So you got me to look up a specific source, which is good.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 16:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin, where do you get that LaHaye was the &quot;U.S. head&quot; of the Unification Church?  I see where LaHaye took heat for getting bankrolled by Moon, but I don&#039;t find anything to support his having an official post w/ the Moonies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Martin, where do you get that LaHaye was the &#8220;U.S. head&#8221; of the Unification Church?  I see where LaHaye took heat for getting bankrolled by Moon, but I don&#8217;t find anything to support his having an official post w/ the Moonies.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Bento</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Bento</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 19:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been away a couple days and the discussion has, of course, progressed without me. There are a lot of issues here, and it&#039;s probably not worth getting into most of them on a dead or dying thread, but just one thing.

Barry,

The notion that Christian &quot;Left Behind&quot; armagedddonsis is linked to US patriotism is a misconception. The creator of Left Behind, Tim LeHaye was the US head of the Unification Church - that is to say an adherent of Rev. Moon. Moon is one of the most important figures on the Christian Right. And aside from Moon being himself Korean, the country with the largest per capita Moonie population is not America, but Japan. Christian armageddonism is growing by leaps and bounds in Latin American, due in no small part to Moon&#039;s efforts. When Moon left the US a few years ago, he said the country had become an emissary of Satan and would be punished by God. The &quot;punished by God&quot; line is, of course, quite in line with what other Christian Right figures like Falwell and Bobertson have said. So, yes, far right Christians will condemn the US as evil, and will ally themselves with foreigners against it. 

The Christian party line is that Gog and Magog are Russia, based on a Bibile verse which places them to Israel&#039;s uttermost north. I think it&#039;s pretty clear now that no one is capable of unassisted world conquest, including the US, Russia  still has enough nukes to convet the Middle East to a &quot;lake of fire&quot; if it wanted. I&#039;m not claiming that the armageddon storyline is coherent, but it is different from US nationalism. The US &quot;naitonalism&quot; we see from the right currently is the same sort of faux nationalism that Arendt decried in fascism, which she correctly described as the most multi-national political movement of the day, other than communism. The &quot;nation&quot; the right wing recognizes is not America, comprised of Americans, but conservatism, comprised of ideological conservatives. This is why there is such a narrative that liberals are not &quot;Americans&quot;. OF course, liberal Americans are American by definition, but that&#039;s not what conservatives mean by &quot;Americans&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;ve been away a couple days and the discussion has, of course, progressed without me. There are a lot of issues here, and it&#8217;s probably not worth getting into most of them on a dead or dying thread, but just one thing.</p>

	<p>Barry,</p>

	<p>The notion that Christian &#8220;Left Behind&#8221; armagedddonsis is linked to US patriotism is a misconception. The creator of Left Behind, Tim LeHaye was the US head of the Unification Church &#8211; that is to say an adherent of Rev. Moon. Moon is one of the most important figures on the Christian Right. And aside from Moon being himself Korean, the country with the largest per capita Moonie population is not America, but Japan. Christian armageddonism is growing by leaps and bounds in Latin American, due in no small part to Moon&#8217;s efforts. When Moon left the US a few years ago, he said the country had become an emissary of Satan and would be punished by God. The &#8220;punished by God&#8221; line is, of course, quite in line with what other Christian Right figures like Falwell and Bobertson have said. So, yes, far right Christians will condemn the US as evil, and will ally themselves with foreigners against it.</p>

	<p>The Christian party line is that Gog and Magog are Russia, based on a Bibile verse which places them to Israel&#8217;s uttermost north. I think it&#8217;s pretty clear now that no one is capable of unassisted world conquest, including the US, Russia  still has enough nukes to convet the Middle East to a &#8220;lake of fire&#8221; if it wanted. I&#8217;m not claiming that the armageddon storyline is coherent, but it is different from US nationalism. The <span class="caps">US </span>&#8220;naitonalism&#8221; we see from the right currently is the same sort of faux nationalism that Arendt decried in fascism, which she correctly described as the most multi-national political movement of the day, other than communism. The &#8220;nation&#8221; the right wing recognizes is not America, comprised of Americans, but conservatism, comprised of ideological conservatives. This is why there is such a narrative that liberals are not &#8220;Americans&#8221;. OF course, liberal Americans are American by definition, but that&#8217;s not what conservatives mean by &#8220;Americans&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 04:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>trane, Congress doesn&#039;t represent America. If it did, you would see more women, minorities, and those &quot;other&quot; religious groups you hear about all the time. 

Swearing on the Bible is cultural and not required. &quot;Under God&quot; was added in the 1950&#039;s to a Pledge that had already been written as a secular tribute to the flag by a Baptist minister. 

We need to stop using religion to base our laws and societal rules - the left and right. I proudly consider myself an American above any other label.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>trane, Congress doesn&#8217;t represent America. If it did, you would see more women, minorities, and those &#8220;other&#8221; religious groups you hear about all the time.</p>

	<p>Swearing on the Bible is cultural and not required. &#8220;Under God&#8221; was added in the 1950&#8217;s to a Pledge that had already been written as a secular tribute to the flag by a Baptist minister.</p>

	<p>We need to stop using religion to base our laws and societal rules &#8211; the left and right. I proudly consider myself an American above any other label.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 21:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colleen,

That may be true, but it has been my experience that those who expend the most energy in talking about Christianity have very little in common with the gospels, especially with regards to charity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Colleen,</p>

	<p>That may be true, but it has been my experience that those who expend the most energy in talking about Christianity have very little in common with the gospels, especially with regards to charity.</p>
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		<title>By: Colleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 05:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>randy paul

Everyone has to find their own way. And imo the answers can be found within ourselves and in our own nature. Someone doesn&#039;t have to read Matthew or be a Christian to know that war and violence are evil and create great pain. The solutions to our problems are in uniting and in helping one another. Why can&#039;t we do that?

http://www.tikkun.org/iraqpeace for a plan for Iraq and for a global Marshall Plan that is based in morality.

http://www.spiritualprogressives.org/staticpages/index.php?page=peacead
&quot;An Ethical way to End the War in Iraq&quot;

But groups like Tikkun have to buy space in newspapers while people like Falwell got easy coverage from the media. Some liberal bias! Hah!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>randy paul</p>

	<p>Everyone has to find their own way. And imo the answers can be found within ourselves and in our own nature. Someone doesn&#8217;t have to read Matthew or be a Christian to know that war and violence are evil and create great pain. The solutions to our problems are in uniting and in helping one another. Why can&#8217;t we do that?</p>

	<p><a href="http://www.tikkun.org/iraqpeace" rel="nofollow">http://www.tikkun.org/iraqpeace</a> for a plan for Iraq and for a global Marshall Plan that is based in morality.</p>

	<p><a href="http://www.spiritualprogressives.org/staticpages/index.php?page=peacead" rel="nofollow">http://www.spiritualprogressives.org/staticpages/index.php?page=peacead</a><br />
&#8220;An Ethical way to End the War in Iraq&#8221;</p>

	<p>But groups like Tikkun have to buy space in newspapers while people like Falwell got easy coverage from the media. Some liberal bias! Hah!</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 23:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colleen,

I&#039;m Roman Catholic (pining for another John XXIII), but grew up for several years in the Deep South (Alabama, Georgia and Tennessee) and can tell you this: the one gospel that gets the least attention in my experience from Southern evangelicals is Matthew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Colleen,</p>

	<p>I&#8217;m Roman Catholic (pining for another John <span class="caps">XXIII</span>), but grew up for several years in the Deep South (Alabama, Georgia and Tennessee) and can tell you this: the one gospel that gets the least attention in my experience from Southern evangelicals is Matthew.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 22:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The whole pre-mmillenial theology, from my casual understanding, is something that never really caught on outside of the USA.&lt;/i&gt;

I dunno, it seems quite popular in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>The whole pre-mmillenial theology, from my casual understanding, is something that never really caught on outside of the <span class="caps">USA</span>.</i></p>

	<p>I dunno, it seems quite popular in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 21:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>martin bento:  &quot;So Christians don’t count as Christians if they do not put God before country? Splendid. So all those born-again Armageddon groupies in the military who have said they place enacting God’s will before the interests of the country – they’re the only legitimate Christians in the military? Should Christians then be banned from the military? After all, one cannot serve two masters, and we need people in the military who will follow secular command.&quot;

Those &#039;Armageddon groupies&#039; are not un-nationalistic; their picture of Armageddon seems to have the USA on the side of the angels, even though the only power which could fulfill the &#039;Evil Empire&#039; function today is the USA.  The Antichrist certainly wouldn&#039;t settle for less than worldly military supremacy.

But somehow I doubt that they&#039;d be comfortable sitting in a foreign pew in a right-wing (protestant, fundamentalist) church, and hearing a sermon which implied that the USA must be Gog and Magog.

In fact, what churches are really serious &#039;Left Behindist&#039;, outside of the USA?  The whole pre-mmillenial theology, from my casual understanding, is something that never really caught on outside of the USA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>martin bento:  &#8220;So Christians don&#8217;t count as Christians if they do not put God before country? Splendid. So all those born-again Armageddon groupies in the military who have said they place enacting God&#8217;s will before the interests of the country &#8211; they&#8217;re the only legitimate Christians in the military? Should Christians then be banned from the military? After all, one cannot serve two masters, and we need people in the military who will follow secular command.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Those &#8216;Armageddon groupies&#8217; are not un-nationalistic; their picture of Armageddon seems to have the <span class="caps">USA</span> on the side of the angels, even though the only power which could fulfill the &#8216;Evil Empire&#8217; function today is the <span class="caps">USA</span>.  The Antichrist certainly wouldn&#8217;t settle for less than worldly military supremacy.</p>

	<p>But somehow I doubt that they&#8217;d be comfortable sitting in a foreign pew in a right-wing (protestant, fundamentalist) church, and hearing a sermon which implied that the <span class="caps">USA</span> must be Gog and Magog.</p>

	<p>In fact, what churches are really serious &#8216;Left Behindist&#8217;, outside of the <span class="caps">USA</span>?  The whole pre-mmillenial theology, from my casual understanding, is something that never really caught on outside of the <span class="caps">USA</span>.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 16:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I would bet most American atheists see themselves as Americans before any other tribe&lt;/i&gt;

Yikes. That sounds like the old saw about &quot;when you don&#039;t believe in God you end up believing in anything.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I would bet most American atheists see themselves as Americans before any other tribe</i></p>

	<p>Yikes. That sounds like the old saw about &#8220;when you don&#8217;t believe in God you end up believing in anything.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: Crooked Timber &#187; &#187; Can Christians be Patriots?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crooked Timber &#187; &#187; Can Christians be Patriots?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 15:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a follow-up to John&#8217;s post asserting that a minority of Americans are Christians, Lindsey (a young evangelical Christian) at [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[...] a follow-up to John&#8217;s post asserting that a minority of Americans are Christians, Lindsey (a young evangelical Christian) at [...]</p>
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		<title>By: glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 13:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s one great thing about being an athiest, I think. We&#039;re generally not &quot;joiners&quot; and I would bet most American atheists see themselves as Americans before any other tribe ... except for maybe hockey fans who can all just go to hell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>That&#8217;s one great thing about being an athiest, I think. We&#8217;re generally not &#8220;joiners&#8221; and I would bet most American atheists see themselves as Americans before any other tribe &#8230; except for maybe hockey fans who can all just go to hell.</p>
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		<title>By: Aj white</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aj white</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 18:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Growing up in Montana I couldn&#039;t understand why some friends would put religion above allegiance to America. Now I can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Growing up in Montana I couldn&#8217;t understand why some friends would put religion above allegiance to America. Now I can.</p>
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