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		<title>By: John Holbo</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/06/11/blogging-gets-results/comment-page-2/#comment-200722</link>
		<dc:creator>John Holbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 00:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This thread is now closed, thank you very much.</description>
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		<title>By: BBG</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/06/11/blogging-gets-results/comment-page-2/#comment-200710</link>
		<dc:creator>BBG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was already convinced that Seth Edenbaum was a crank.  After this discussion, I&#039;m also convinced he&#039;s quite cruel.  Go away, Seth Edenbaum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I was already convinced that Seth Edenbaum was a crank.  After this discussion, I&#8217;m also convinced he&#8217;s quite cruel.  Go away, Seth Edenbaum.</p>
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		<title>By: Megan</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/06/11/blogging-gets-results/comment-page-2/#comment-200667</link>
		<dc:creator>Megan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m seconding Nigel&#039;s 60, and thanking him for saying it outright.  This has been a pissy discussion, full of ad hominem attacks.  I don&#039;t know why Crooked Timber tolerates this crap.  I think it reflects poorly on them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m seconding Nigel&#8217;s 60, and thanking him for saying it outright.  This has been a pissy discussion, full of ad hominem attacks.  I don&#8217;t know why Crooked Timber tolerates this crap.  I think it reflects poorly on them.</p>
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		<title>By: Doctor Slack</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/06/11/blogging-gets-results/comment-page-2/#comment-200656</link>
		<dc:creator>Doctor Slack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>shez: Don&#039;t class yourself with SEK and John. They&#039;re not playing childish blogfight games over the corpse of a respected blogger. Those who are -- that includes the &quot;it&#039;s all about sexism, period&quot; brigade, which apparently includes you -- are not earning anyone&#039;s respect. Y&#039;all suck. Seriously. Find something better to do.

Seth: I think what you&#039;re saying is that Scott makes you completely uncomfortable with his words and what he says. That&#039;s okay. You&#039;re not alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>shez: Don&#8217;t class yourself with <span class="caps">SEK</span> and John. They&#8217;re not playing childish blogfight games over the corpse of a respected blogger. Those who are&#8212;that includes the &#8220;it&#8217;s all about sexism, period&#8221; brigade, which apparently includes you&#8212;are not earning anyone&#8217;s respect. Y&#8217;all suck. Seriously. Find something better to do.</p>

	<p>Seth: I think what you&#8217;re saying is that Scott makes you completely uncomfortable with his words and what he says. That&#8217;s okay. You&#8217;re not alone.</p>
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		<title>By: seth edenbaum</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/06/11/blogging-gets-results/comment-page-2/#comment-200625</link>
		<dc:creator>seth edenbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 13:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No dear, I&#039;m only &quot;opposed&quot; if that&#039;s the word, to &lt;a href=&quot;http://acephalous.typepad.com/acephalous/2007/06/a_post_every_hi.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;cheap mannerism&lt;/a&gt;, even more so to those who think of such mannerism as complex prose.

Sorry Dr. Slack, but Kaufman&#039;s language has just about completed it&#039;s slow progress from expressions of academic naiveté to expressions of academic decadence. 
Par for the course for Holbo to defend this shit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>No dear, I&#8217;m only &#8220;opposed&#8221; if that&#8217;s the word, to <a href="http://acephalous.typepad.com/acephalous/2007/06/a_post_every_hi.html" rel="nofollow">cheap mannerism</a>, even more so to those who think of such mannerism as complex prose.</p>

	<p>Sorry Dr. Slack, but Kaufman&#8217;s language has just about completed it&#8217;s slow progress from expressions of academic naivet&#233; to expressions of academic decadence.<br />
Par for the course for Holbo to defend this shit.</p>
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		<title>By: nil</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/06/11/blogging-gets-results/comment-page-2/#comment-200571</link>
		<dc:creator>nil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 05:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seth, it seems that you are claiming a working class opposition to complex prose. as the son of a sewage farm worker, may i just say: fuck off. twat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Seth, it seems that you are claiming a working class opposition to complex prose. as the son of a sewage farm worker, may i just say: fuck off. twat.</p>
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		<title>By: Shez</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/06/11/blogging-gets-results/comment-page-2/#comment-200542</link>
		<dc:creator>Shez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 01:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank You, John for speaking up fairly. I want to add what I&#039;m not seeing anywhere I go is that &quot;John Casper&quot; &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; a long time regular (not just the &#039;reader&#039; he claimed) at Firedoglake, and The Next Hurrah, where under his &quot;real&quot; &quot;handle&quot; he comes off as being on his best behavior. It certainly appears he was doing an evil alter ego version of a sockpuppet act on JG&#039;s site unbeknownst to anyone reading it at the time in their comments. He more than deserves to be called out on what he did. 

What he left out of his letter was the fact the original offensive Smantix post he quoted also got on FDL and Jane&#039;s case and mentions her take-no-prisoners-attitude tucked in at the end. They were pissed at TRex&#039;s Falwell post &quot;Ding Dong the...&quot; the night he died, besides citing her own blackface incident. Brittney Gilbert lifted the title of her post directly from the Smantix comments, she wasn&#039;t making it up on the fly or to be &lt;i&gt;ironic&lt;/i&gt;, from what I saw when I researched the issue. The Smantix comments stated they really were going to teach us libs a lesson. They were trying to lure in FDL with a direct link to Jane&#039;s SG obit, and I doubt NiT had a clue about that. I&#039;m really starting to wonder if Patriot Boy knew this before he decided to NiTpick on the RSS feed blog instead, or if he bit on the bait instead of Jane once someone conveniently alerted him. Rove must be so proud of his little wingnuts, recall how well the April Fools stunt worked.  

Of course FDL has gone silent on the whole affair as far as I know, other than a single post where they immediately accepted and parroted the Jesus&#039; General versions and their comments that followed were hilariously fact free since it was obvious they didn&#039;t go check out anything on their own. Now that this latest has happened does anyone think Christy is pleased as punch they were named in this infamous letter by their own regular, which didn&#039;t exactly how shall I put this.. strictly follow their stated rules of &#039;be polite when you write&#039;? I didn&#039;t realize &quot;and be truthful&quot; had to be spelled out too. They&#039;ll be lucky to escape being named co-defendents if UCI gets pissed enough and decides to take matters into their own hands, although that wouldn&#039;t be fair either since it didn&#039;t come directly from them. 

I&#039;ve watched this whole sordid mess go down, including the entire comment threads and links starting from the day it happened on several blogs directly involved, and although I&#039;m still seeing some errors on facts a couple of the comments here are rather close to what happened with that NiT blog. It looks to me and many others to be a classic case of kill the messenger no matter what excuses or whatever they are now trying to convince themselves of.

After nearly a week of this, I absolutely agree with John Holbo when he says &quot;in civil fashion&quot; of SEK, and that virtue can also be attributed to the liberal major players and friends of the NiT lady involved, they were gracious and respectful as they could possibly be in light of the constant poo and yes sexism being flung at them from the Patriot Boy crowd who refused to listen to reason or the defense, and followed them around to further harrass their blogs discussing it (except the perp&#039;s blog no sign of them there) and then at even more blogs picking up the story, from my objective perspective of just observing it but not diving in. 

The injustices and falsehoods I witnessed were despicable during it all. What has happened to SEK goes beyond the pale. I know of a couple blogs that have now lost my respect and others that have gained my admiration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thank You, John for speaking up fairly. I want to add what I&#8217;m not seeing anywhere I go is that &#8220;John Casper&#8221; <i>is</i> a long time regular (not just the &#8216;reader&#8217; he claimed) at Firedoglake, and The Next Hurrah, where under his &#8220;real&#8221; &#8220;handle&#8221; he comes off as being on his best behavior. It certainly appears he was doing an evil alter ego version of a sockpuppet act on JG&#8217;s site unbeknownst to anyone reading it at the time in their comments. He more than deserves to be called out on what he did.</p>

	<p>What he left out of his letter was the fact the original offensive Smantix post he quoted also got on <span class="caps">FDL</span> and Jane&#8217;s case and mentions her take-no-prisoners-attitude tucked in at the end. They were pissed at TRex&#8217;s Falwell post &#8220;Ding Dong the&#8230;&#8221; the night he died, besides citing her own blackface incident. Brittney Gilbert lifted the title of her post directly from the Smantix comments, she wasn&#8217;t making it up on the fly or to be <i>ironic</i>, from what I saw when I researched the issue. The Smantix comments stated they really were going to teach us libs a lesson. They were trying to lure in <span class="caps">FDL</span> with a direct link to Jane&#8217;s SG obit, and I doubt NiT had a clue about that. I&#8217;m really starting to wonder if Patriot Boy knew this before he decided to NiTpick on the <span class="caps">RSS</span> feed blog instead, or if he bit on the bait instead of Jane once someone conveniently alerted him. Rove must be so proud of his little wingnuts, recall how well the April Fools stunt worked.</p>

	<p>Of course <span class="caps">FDL</span> has gone silent on the whole affair as far as I know, other than a single post where they immediately accepted and parroted the Jesus&#8217; General versions and their comments that followed were hilariously fact free since it was obvious they didn&#8217;t go check out anything on their own. Now that this latest has happened does anyone think Christy is pleased as punch they were named in this infamous letter by their own regular, which didn&#8217;t exactly how shall I put this.. strictly follow their stated rules of &#8216;be polite when you write&#8217;? I didn&#8217;t realize &#8220;and be truthful&#8221; had to be spelled out too. They&#8217;ll be lucky to escape being named co-defendents if <span class="caps">UCI</span> gets pissed enough and decides to take matters into their own hands, although that wouldn&#8217;t be fair either since it didn&#8217;t come directly from them.</p>

	<p>I&#8217;ve watched this whole sordid mess go down, including the entire comment threads and links starting from the day it happened on several blogs directly involved, and although I&#8217;m still seeing some errors on facts a couple of the comments here are rather close to what happened with that NiT blog. It looks to me and many others to be a classic case of kill the messenger no matter what excuses or whatever they are now trying to convince themselves of.</p>

	<p>After nearly a week of this, I absolutely agree with John Holbo when he says &#8220;in civil fashion&#8221; of <span class="caps">SEK</span>, and that virtue can also be attributed to the liberal major players and friends of the NiT lady involved, they were gracious and respectful as they could possibly be in light of the constant poo and yes sexism being flung at them from the Patriot Boy crowd who refused to listen to reason or the defense, and followed them around to further harrass their blogs discussing it (except the perp&#8217;s blog no sign of them there) and then at even more blogs picking up the story, from my objective perspective of just observing it but not diving in.</p>

	<p>The injustices and falsehoods I witnessed were despicable during it all. What has happened to <span class="caps">SEK</span> goes beyond the pale. I know of a couple blogs that have now lost my respect and others that have gained my admiration.</p>
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		<title>By: Doctor Slack</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/06/11/blogging-gets-results/comment-page-2/#comment-200515</link>
		<dc:creator>Doctor Slack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The correct answer to Lemuel&#039;s question was &quot;Starbucks.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The correct answer to Lemuel&#8217;s question was &#8220;Starbucks.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Kugelmass</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/06/11/blogging-gets-results/comment-page-2/#comment-200511</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Kugelmass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 19:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lemuel,

&lt;i&gt;If you can’t be dickish in pseudonymous blog comments, where can you be dickish?&lt;/i&gt;

Nowhere! How crazy is that!

***

This particular issue has had some serious consequences, starting with Brittney&#039;s resignation and rippling out from there, and the idea that we should all stop to consider whether, with whatever &lt;i&gt;a priori&lt;/i&gt; biases, Scott&#039;s style or &lt;i&gt;ethos&lt;/i&gt; suits us -- it makes my stomach turn, it&#039;s so superficial and nasty. Let&#039;s talk ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Lemuel,</p>

	<p><i>If you can&#8217;t be dickish in pseudonymous blog comments, where can you be dickish?</i></p>

	<p>Nowhere! How crazy is that!</p>

	<p>***</p>

	<p>This particular issue has had some serious consequences, starting with Brittney&#8217;s resignation and rippling out from there, and the idea that we should all stop to consider whether, with whatever <i>a priori</i> biases, Scott&#8217;s style or <i>ethos</i> suits us&#8212;it makes my stomach turn, it&#8217;s so superficial and nasty. Let&#8217;s talk ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: lemuel pitkin</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/06/11/blogging-gets-results/comment-page-2/#comment-200396</link>
		<dc:creator>lemuel pitkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Surely civilised people can exercise judgement without being so… dickish.&lt;/i&gt;

If you can&#039;t be dickish in pseudonymous blog comments, where &lt;b&gt;can&lt;/b&gt; you be dickish?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Surely civilised people can exercise judgement without being so&#8230; dickish.</i></p>

	<p>If you can&#8217;t be dickish in pseudonymous blog comments, where <b>can</b> you be dickish?</p>
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		<title>By: John Holbo</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/06/11/blogging-gets-results/comment-page-2/#comment-200381</link>
		<dc:creator>John Holbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 09:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re all banished. 

(Especially Seth &#039;the unknowing self-parody king&#039; Edenbaum.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You&#8217;re all banished.</p>

	<p>(Especially Seth &#8216;the unknowing self-parody king&#8217; Edenbaum.)</p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/06/11/blogging-gets-results/comment-page-2/#comment-200377</link>
		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 07:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m tellin&#039; ye: one day John Holbo will rise from his sickbed and banish y&#039;all. Anathema!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m tellin&#8217; ye: one day John Holbo will rise from his sickbed and banish y&#8217;all. Anathema!</p>
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		<title>By: Xanthippas</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/06/11/blogging-gets-results/comment-page-2/#comment-200366</link>
		<dc:creator>Xanthippas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 03:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorriness abounds. This kind of crap makes me and my fellow bloggers look really really small-minded and petty. So, thanks for giving the right-wing bloggers something to laugh about guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sorriness abounds. This kind of crap makes me and my fellow bloggers look really really small-minded and petty. So, thanks for giving the right-wing bloggers something to laugh about guys.</p>
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		<title>By: seth edenbaum</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/06/11/blogging-gets-results/comment-page-2/#comment-200365</link>
		<dc:creator>seth edenbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 03:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But context is a feature of presentation. Were I to write a post entitled &quot;Lacanian Theory Is Valuable,&quot; context would dictate that some heavy sarcasm was to follow. I think the context, enframing but invisible, is important -- if nothing else, the fact that context is regularly ambiguous in blogs means that its consideration should be an incumbent duty instead of an afterthought.&quot;

A lecture on context from SEK @ Jesus&#039; General
I&#039;m done.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;He hasn’t even pwnd all of you with his parents’ FBI files yet. So I’d walk away now…
(The best part is when he slips and talks about his FBI file…)&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
that was funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;But context is a feature of presentation. Were I to write a post entitled &#8220;Lacanian Theory Is Valuable,&#8221; context would dictate that some heavy sarcasm was to follow. I think the context, enframing but invisible, is important&#8212;if nothing else, the fact that context is regularly ambiguous in blogs means that its consideration should be an incumbent duty instead of an afterthought.&#8221;</p>

	<p>A lecture on context from <span class="caps">SEK </span>@ Jesus&#8217; General<br />
I&#8217;m done.</p>

	<p><i>&#8220;He hasn&#8217;t even pwnd all of you with his parents&#8217; <span class="caps">FBI</span> files yet. So I&#8217;d walk away now&#8230;<br />
(The best part is when he slips and talks about his <span class="caps">FBI</span> file&#8230;)&#8221;</i><br />
that was funny.</p>
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		<title>By: CR</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/06/11/blogging-gets-results/comment-page-2/#comment-200364</link>
		<dc:creator>CR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 03:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seth is showing a remarkable amount of restraint in this discussion. He hasn&#039;t even pwnd all of you with his parents&#039; FBI files yet. So I&#039;d walk away now...

(The best part is when he slips and talks about &lt;i&gt;his&lt;/i&gt; FBI file...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Seth is showing a remarkable amount of restraint in this discussion. He hasn&#8217;t even pwnd all of you with his parents&#8217; <span class="caps">FBI</span> files yet. So I&#8217;d walk away now&#8230;</p>

	<p>(The best part is when he slips and talks about <i>his</i> FBI file&#8230;)</p>
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