I’m intrigued to hear about this anti-GM thinktank.

I’m also intrigued to hear about how organic foods can pollute nearby crops.

It just gets wierder in here…

Just to remind people, this is a post about GLOBAL WARMING.

They’ve controlled the most powerful military machine in history for the past 6-1/2 years, with results that have, in fact, “transcended borders” in any number of ways. For several hundred thousand people around the world, these results have, in fact, been quite “existential,” insofar as they are, as a direct result of the actions of a Christianist/Nationalist/Republican administration in the US, no longer alive.

I would have thought that even someone outside the US might have noticed that. But I guess when your every waking moment is focused on hiding from storm troopers wielding bags of organic leeks and carrots, it’s hard to keep up on what’s happening in the rest of the world.

“No, the opposite: you should be wary of someone slipping emotive terms like ‘genocide’ or ‘contamination’ into a discussion of agriculture.”

Oh, so removing weeds is not genocide, but rejecting GM crops is Nazi eugenics or something? Or what?

“Is the world outside the USA actually real to you?”

What’s this, projection? You say that “one of the top 5 or so political parties will touch denialist thinking” when Brown is still trying not to pull out of Iraq? Then you turn around and accuse me of being deluded?

(For the record: I don’t live in the US, thank you very much.)

Nell: GM crops may cause genetic contamination of non-GM crops. They may also accidentally kill the wrong insects, such as bees. And so on.
soru: You’re committing racism against GM crops! Nazi!

And isn’t it great that when people point out the problems with GM crops, you accuse them of Nazist plant racism? With this sort of arguments, who needs science? Clearly you hate science, you hate facts, you hate evidence… and you can’t deny it, try as you might.

Could you perhaps draw a diagram illustrating the way in which you believe you are making a relevant point here?

And removing weeds is genocide, I guess?

No, the opposite: you should be wary of someone slipping emotive terms like ‘genocide’ or ‘contamination’ into a discussion of agriculture.

When are you going to write a post that actually comes from the real world?

Is the world outside the USA actually real to you? Presumably, intellectually you accept that other countries exist, have different histories, different balances of power between industry lobbies, different limits on political discussions.

If you stop to think about it, you would presumably accept that the Christianist/Nationalist/Republicans pushing the anti-science message are a specific group, with a specific and limited amount of power and influence. You would agree they are not an existential foe that transcends borders, controls the world. The influence they currently have in the US can be explained as an artefact of the US political setup, for example the 2-party electoral system, private media ownership by rich people, and so on. It is not something inherent in human nature or the universe.

But do you really accept that in your gut? When you are not thinking about it, do you still act as if it were true?

Oh really. I don’t live in the UK, but here’s one word: Iraq.

“Certainly, it relies for it’s rhetorical impact on something very like Nazi ideas of racial pseudo-science.”

And removing weeds is genocide, I guess? When are you going to write a post that actually comes from the real world?

No, just living outside the US, though I can see how you would make that mistake.

In the UK, the organic food lobby really is the one with billions of turnover and think tanks with millions in funding and several paid propagandists with weekly columns in the media, while the global warming denialists are the ones occasionally getting to appear as a talking head on TV.

None of the top 5 or so political parties will touch denialist thinking, it’s left to the far far right racists and nutters, one step below beliefs that involve the word ‘Atlantis’.

Whereas the complex of myths that tie together ‘blood and soil’, ‘purity’, ‘contamination’, ‘life energy’ influence just about every second of every cookery or lifestyle show on TV.

I’m not sure the phrase ‘genetic contamination’ even makes sense outside that type of thinking – it seems to rely on the idea that an organism has an inherent natural essence, which ‘foreign’ invading genes pollute. Certainly, it relies for it’s rhetorical impact on something very like Nazi ideas of racial pseudo-science.

What’s so dangerous about these anti-GM types, of course, is that they insist on looking like a group of punks holding signs and protesting all over the place, instead of building Big Fat Non-Mainstream Scientific Cathedrals (read: think-tanks).

Holy batman, are the “leftists are worse!” types are so far inside their own Bizarro Universe that they actually believe this obvious bullcrap?