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		<title>By: John Holbo</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/09/17/lost/comment-page-1/#comment-211025</link>
		<dc:creator>John Holbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Often the used price is higher than the new when the new price has recently fallen and the used market has not yet corrected. 

The British market point is interesting. I think it may make sense for &quot;Doctor Who&quot; to be somewhat overpriced, in that the market for it is somewhat more limited than that for, say, &quot;Buffy&quot;. There is a good chance that if &quot;Buffy&quot; drops below $20 per season then a whole bunch of casual enjoyers of the show will go for it. Whereas, in the case of the good Doctor, it&#039;s pretty much just the hard-core nerds. You can&#039;t really sell a LOT of this stuff to the American public, even if you drop your price, so you better milk your fanatic fan base for what it&#039;s worth. Maybe the same goes for Star Trek.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Often the used price is higher than the new when the new price has recently fallen and the used market has not yet corrected.</p>

	<p>The British market point is interesting. I think it may make sense for &#8220;Doctor Who&#8221; to be somewhat overpriced, in that the market for it is somewhat more limited than that for, say, &#8220;Buffy&#8221;. There is a good chance that if &#8220;Buffy&#8221; drops below $20 per season then a whole bunch of casual enjoyers of the show will go for it. Whereas, in the case of the good Doctor, it&#8217;s pretty much just the hard-core nerds. You can&#8217;t really sell a <span class="caps">LOT</span> of this stuff to the American public, even if you drop your price, so you better milk your fanatic fan base for what it&#8217;s worth. Maybe the same goes for Star Trek.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian Holsclaw</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/09/17/lost/comment-page-1/#comment-211004</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian Holsclaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I can imagine a rationale that props up the cost of new Dr. Who vidoes above the profit-maximizing price, but what explains the re-sellers keeping THEIR prices artificially high (above “New”)?&quot;

Small print runs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;I can imagine a rationale that props up the cost of new Dr. Who vidoes above the profit-maximizing price, but what explains the re-sellers keeping <span class="caps">THEIR</span> prices artificially high (above &#8220;New&#8221;)?&#8221;</p>

	<p>Small print runs?</p>
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		<title>By: Rich B.</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/09/17/lost/comment-page-1/#comment-210944</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I completely agree with the truth or the &quot;irrational pricing&quot; model John discusses in #5, I am having difficulty coming up with a reasonable explanation of the equally irrational, but not identically-caused discrepencies between the &quot;new&quot; and &quot;used&quot; pricing.

Dr. Who, the Complete First Season (2005) is currently selling for $65.99 (&quot;FREE with  Super Saver Shipping&quot;) on Amazon for 585 minutes of content.

Star Trek, the First Season (1966) is currently selling for $67.49 (&quot;FREE with  Super Saver Shipping&quot;) for 1461 minutes of content.

Fine, Dr. Who almost 3X as expensive -- for whatever reason.

But now, look as the &quot;Used and New&quot; option:

Dr. Who:  41 Used and New gives you Used -- Like New for $64.99 (+ $2.98 shipping) = More than New

Star Trek: 82 Used and New gives you Used -- Like New for $32.99 + ($2.98 shipping) = above half price.

I can imagine a rationale that props up the cost of new Dr. Who vidoes above the profit-maximizing price, but what explains the re-sellers keeping THEIR prices artificially high (above &quot;New&quot;)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>While I completely agree with the truth or the &#8220;irrational pricing&#8221; model John discusses in #5, I am having difficulty coming up with a reasonable explanation of the equally irrational, but not identically-caused discrepencies between the &#8220;new&#8221; and &#8220;used&#8221; pricing.</p>

	<p>Dr. Who, the Complete First Season (2005) is currently selling for $65.99 (&#8220;FREE with  Super Saver Shipping&#8221;) on Amazon for 585 minutes of content.</p>

	<p>Star Trek, the First Season (1966) is currently selling for $67.49 (&#8220;FREE with  Super Saver Shipping&#8221;) for 1461 minutes of content.</p>

	<p>Fine, Dr. Who almost 3X as expensive&#8212;for whatever reason.</p>

	<p>But now, look as the &#8220;Used and New&#8221; option:</p>

	<p>Dr. Who:  41 Used and New gives you Used&#8212;Like New for $64.99 (+ $2.98 shipping) = More than New</p>

	<p>Star Trek: 82 Used and New gives you Used&#8212;Like New for $32.99 + ($2.98 shipping) = above half price.</p>

	<p>I can imagine a rationale that props up the cost of new Dr. Who vidoes above the profit-maximizing price, but what explains the re-sellers keeping <span class="caps">THEIR</span> prices artificially high (above &#8220;New&#8221;)?</p>
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		<title>By: Mikey in Plano</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/09/17/lost/comment-page-1/#comment-210942</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikey in Plano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Supernatural&lt;/i&gt; is awesome, and has lots of humor in it.  There&#039;s a fair number of &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106179/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;X-Files&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt; alums &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0460681/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;in various capacities&lt;/a&gt;, especially Kim Manners.  Has a similar feel to it.  Lots of classic rock.  Like &lt;i&gt;X-Files&lt;/i&gt;, it has both &quot;mythic&quot; and stand-alone episodes (or as my ex-roomie said of &lt;i&gt;X-Files&lt;/i&gt;, &quot;shows that don&#039;t explain anything and shows that don&#039;t make any sense&quot;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Supernatural</i> is awesome, and has lots of humor in it.  There&#8217;s a fair number of <a HREF="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106179/" rel="nofollow"><i>X-Files</i></a> alums <a HREF="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0460681/" rel="nofollow">in various capacities</a>, especially Kim Manners.  Has a similar feel to it.  Lots of classic rock.  Like <i>X-Files</i>, it has both &#8220;mythic&#8221; and stand-alone episodes (or as my ex-roomie said of <i>X-Files</i>, &#8220;shows that don&#8217;t explain anything and shows that don&#8217;t make any sense&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: ferd</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/09/17/lost/comment-page-1/#comment-210940</link>
		<dc:creator>ferd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Winston Smith&#039;s comrades didn&#039;t need a story arc.  They enjoyed what they were fed, plotwise.  Or else.  Enjoyed it.

In a completely ruthless hand, the sword is way mightier than the pen.  &quot;What pen?&quot;  &quot;That&#039;s not a pen, it&#039;s a Slim Jim, and now you&#039;ll eat it.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Winston Smith&#8217;s comrades didn&#8217;t need a story arc.  They enjoyed what they were fed, plotwise.  Or else.  Enjoyed it.</p>

	<p>In a completely ruthless hand, the sword is way mightier than the pen.  &#8220;What pen?&#8221;  &#8220;That&#8217;s not a pen, it&#8217;s a Slim Jim, and now you&#8217;ll eat it.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: CasdraBlog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2007-09-17</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/09/17/lost/comment-page-1/#comment-210934</link>
		<dc:creator>CasdraBlog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2007-09-17</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Crooked Timber » » Lost Very good post. (tags: tv iraq politics) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: soru</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/09/17/lost/comment-page-1/#comment-210928</link>
		<dc:creator>soru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Example: why is “Doctor Who” always so expensive. &lt;/i&gt;

That one I know - to prevent UK customers ordering from the US at US pricing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Example: why is &#8220;Doctor Who&#8221; always so expensive. </i></p>

	<p>That one I know &#8211; to prevent UK customers ordering from the US at US pricing.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Roberts</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/09/17/lost/comment-page-1/#comment-210922</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 07:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;In Deadwood, in which episode did you sympathize with Al Swearingen for the first time? (Maybe when Cy Tolliver came to town, and Al felt sorry for himself.)&lt;/i&gt;

I don&#039;t think so; though Tolliver clearly took over Swearingen&#039;s more psychotic and violent qualities, leaving us free to empathise more with Al&#039;s caring side.  But I&#039;d say the sympathy starts when he has his stroke and lies on the floor of his room for a day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>In Deadwood, in which episode did you sympathize with Al Swearingen for the first time? (Maybe when Cy Tolliver came to town, and Al felt sorry for himself.)</i></p>

	<p>I don&#8217;t think so; though Tolliver clearly took over Swearingen&#8217;s more psychotic and violent qualities, leaving us free to empathise more with Al&#8217;s caring side.  But I&#8217;d say the sympathy starts when he has his stroke and lies on the floor of his room for a day.</p>
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		<title>By: Reality Man</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/09/17/lost/comment-page-1/#comment-210918</link>
		<dc:creator>Reality Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 04:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dean on Supernatural is rather funny. It has a lot more tongue-in-cheek humor than most shows of its type.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Dean on Supernatural is rather funny. It has a lot more tongue-in-cheek humor than most shows of its type.</p>
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		<title>By: alphie</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/09/17/lost/comment-page-1/#comment-210917</link>
		<dc:creator>alphie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 03:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does the Iraq war need a story arc?

&quot;Lost&quot; may need one but &quot;Gilligan&#039;s Island&quot; didn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Why does the Iraq war need a story arc?</p>

	<p>&#8220;Lost&#8221; may need one but &#8220;Gilligan&#8217;s Island&#8221; didn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: John Holbo</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/09/17/lost/comment-page-1/#comment-210916</link>
		<dc:creator>John Holbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 03:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because of irrational pricing, toadmonster. Some items go on sale, but not everything gets adjusted accordingly. It&#039;s rather fascinating. (I spend far too much time watching these things.)

Example: why is &quot;Doctor Who&quot; always so expensive. Shouldn&#039;t an episode of &quot;Buffy&quot; and an episode of &quot;Star Trek&quot; and an episode of &quot;Doctor Who&quot; cost about the same, on average, given that they are likely to be approximately equivalent items, selling to approximately the same market? But they don&#039;t cost approximately the same. &quot;Doctor Who&quot; usually costs about 5-10 times as much, per episode.

Obviously you want X (price) x Y (units sold) to equal the largest possible Z. Which is consistent with having a very large X and a small Y, or a very large Y and a small X, or somewhere in between. Like that old Calvin &amp; Hobbes where he is trying to sell lemonade for $20 a cup. In general terms, it is obvious why you would tend to go for the low price, many units option (because if you try to sell $20 lemonade, someone will undercut you.) But in DVD sales, it doesn&#039;t seem to work that way. Prices are wildly variable, with many marketers clearly going for the lemonade model. 

But I&#039;ve sort of changed the subject. 

It seems to me a compelling consideration that, were TV run along the lines of US foreign policy, we&#039;d be gearing up for the exciting, cliffhanger season finale of season 32 of &lt;em&gt;Space: 1999&lt;/em&gt;, right about now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Because of irrational pricing, toadmonster. Some items go on sale, but not everything gets adjusted accordingly. It&#8217;s rather fascinating. (I spend far too much time watching these things.)</p>

	<p>Example: why is &#8220;Doctor Who&#8221; always so expensive. Shouldn&#8217;t an episode of &#8220;Buffy&#8221; and an episode of &#8220;Star Trek&#8221; and an episode of &#8220;Doctor Who&#8221; cost about the same, on average, given that they are likely to be approximately equivalent items, selling to approximately the same market? But they don&#8217;t cost approximately the same. &#8220;Doctor Who&#8221; usually costs about 5-10 times as much, per episode.</p>

	<p>Obviously you want X (price) x Y (units sold) to equal the largest possible Z. Which is consistent with having a very large X and a small Y, or a very large Y and a small X, or somewhere in between. Like that old Calvin &#038; Hobbes where he is trying to sell lemonade for $20 a cup. In general terms, it is obvious why you would tend to go for the low price, many units option (because if you try to sell $20 lemonade, someone will undercut you.) But in <span class="caps">DVD</span> sales, it doesn&#8217;t seem to work that way. Prices are wildly variable, with many marketers clearly going for the lemonade model.</p>

	<p>But I&#8217;ve sort of changed the subject.</p>

	<p>It seems to me a compelling consideration that, were TV run along the lines of US foreign policy, we&#8217;d be gearing up for the exciting, cliffhanger season finale of season 32 of <em>Space: 1999</em>, right about now.</p>
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		<title>By: Toadmonster</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/09/17/lost/comment-page-1/#comment-210915</link>
		<dc:creator>Toadmonster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 03:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is a bundle of seasons 1-3 of The Wire more expensive than buying them separately?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Why is a bundle of seasons 1-3 of The Wire more expensive than buying them separately?</p>
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		<title>By: thag</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/09/17/lost/comment-page-1/#comment-210913</link>
		<dc:creator>thag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 02:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hooboy.
If I thought that this series of excellent observations would make our national attitude towards war *less* like our attitude towards entertainment, I would be very glad.

Hell, why be pessimistic? I&#039;ll put it in the indicative mood:
I hope that this series of excellent observations will help to make our national attitude towards war less like our attitude towards entertainment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>hooboy.<br />
If I thought that this series of excellent observations would make our national attitude towards war <strong>less</strong> like our attitude towards entertainment, I would be very glad.</p>

	<p>Hell, why be pessimistic? I&#8217;ll put it in the indicative mood:<br />
I hope that this series of excellent observations will help to make our national attitude towards war less like our attitude towards entertainment.</p>
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		<title>By: John Holbo</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/09/17/lost/comment-page-1/#comment-210912</link>
		<dc:creator>John Holbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 01:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t watched season three yet. For that matter, I wouldn&#039;t mind a bit if the surge turned out to work, after all. I would be most grateful, and wouldn&#039;t even mind a bit of retroactive fudging to make it appear that all the wandering and wavering was intentional all along.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I haven&#8217;t watched season three yet. For that matter, I wouldn&#8217;t mind a bit if the surge turned out to work, after all. I would be most grateful, and wouldn&#8217;t even mind a bit of retroactive fudging to make it appear that all the wandering and wavering was intentional all along.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Eric Kaufman</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/09/17/lost/comment-page-1/#comment-210911</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Eric Kaufman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 01:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christ, John, that&#039;s brilliant ... except for the fact that the last four episodes of &lt;em&gt;Lost&lt;/em&gt;&#039;s third season were damn compelling, inasmuch as they made it appear that all the wandering and wavering had been intentional.  In narrative terms, that&#039;s forgivable -- think &lt;em&gt;Gravity&#039;s Rainbow&lt;/em&gt; -- but I doubt we&#039;ll find an equivalent in foreign policy.  I&#039;m just not convinced the boys in charge have the chops of seasoned screenwriters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Christ, John, that&#8217;s brilliant &#8230; except for the fact that the last four episodes of <em>Lost</em>&#8217;s third season were damn compelling, inasmuch as they made it appear that all the wandering and wavering had been intentional.  In narrative terms, that&#8217;s forgivable&#8212;think <em>Gravity&#8217;s Rainbow</em>&#8212;but I doubt we&#8217;ll find an equivalent in foreign policy.  I&#8217;m just not convinced the boys in charge have the chops of seasoned screenwriters.</p>
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