Once the workers seize control, we will rebrand c14lis and v14gra as “Stakhonovis”!

Particularily if for “communitarian” you read “anti-Semitic, anti-libertarian, fascist”

Given Amitai Etzioni’s prominent position in the communitarian school, that’s an interesting reading of “communitarian”. Ah well, one out of three ain’t bad.

At least that can’t be blamed on oppressing women…

Particularily if for “communitarian” you read “anti-Semitic, anti-libertarian, fascist” Which is pretty much what communitarian and paleoconservatism add up to. (See “Distributionism”)

When hiring wh*res, shamelessness is a major job qualification.

“But still, he does seem pretty smart, and not intellectually dishonest. (Unlike McArdle, who seems to make a whole lot of errors of fact favoring her side.)”

See above about major job qualifications. Also, McArdle has a Chicago MBA. If a lie got the job done, then it is economically more efficient to use it.

yes, but he despised the people he ruled, and wasted state monies like a drunken sailor on shore leave. So he wasn’t altogether unlike the Republicans.

22 of Texas’s 32 districts are more conservative than King Ludwig the Mad of Bavaria.

I’ve traveled extensively in the upper Midwest, and these are not “conservative” states. The extent to which many locales vote slightly to the right seems to me like nothing more than the margin of despair. Back to the original post, what particular “traditional forms of social organization” [ISAs?] are we talking about here? The family farm? The local church? Main Street small businesses? The local school?

The demise of the first three has been solely assured by unfettered capitalism. As for the last, I think we’re getting at the root of the argument here: if “socially conservative” = anti-busing, suddenly it all starts to make sense. But for the fact, of course, that rampant suburban sprawl necessitates mega-schools and the kind of horrific disparities in school budgets that have destroyed urban school systems, leading to the voucher nonsense, charter school charlatanism and more busing as a panacea for those disparities.

This whole position would appear to be nothing more than an attempt to re-triangulate the Repugs back to their racist core and relive the glory days of Boston anti-busing riots.

First, Minnesota isn’t a lot more liberal than Michigan or Wisconsin. Second, rural areas everywhere are more Republican than urban areas, so the “throw out the cities” methodology is a very poor way to decide whether a state is liberal or conservative. (Perhaps all that was meant is that Michigan and Wisconsin are more rural than Connecticut and New Jersey; but Michigan and Wisconsin are not really more conservative than Connecticut and New Jersey, unless social issues are your sole index).

I went through the 2004 Bush Kerry votes for Minnesota and Texas, sorted by Congressional district. In Minnesota Bush got his highest percent in the Sixth district (suburban): 57%. My own rural Seventh district gave Bush 55%. Three other somewhat-rural districts were closer, and Minneapolis, Duluth, and St. Paul were strongly or overwhelmingly Democratic.

In Texas Kerry won seven urban districts (in Galveston, El Paso, Houston, San Antonio, and Dallas). Of the remaining 25 districts, 22 gave Bush a higher percentage than any Minnesota district did; the other three gave Bush 55%, 55%, and 53% of the vote. (Austin, which has apparently been gerrymandered, was Republican).

In short, 22 of Texas’s 32 districts are more conservative than Minnesota’s most conservative district, and ten of them are ten points more conservative.

A quick look shows that Wisconsin has one district more conservative than any in Minnesota, whereas the rest of the state is seemingly less conservative than Minnesota. Three of Michigan’s 15 districts are more conservative than Minnesota’s most conservative district, but the rest of the state is at least as liberal as Minnesota.

Wisconsin and Michigan, like Minnesota, are not “relatively conservative states”. They are moderately liberal states which are more liberal on economic issues than on (sex-related) social issues (i.e., social issues other than the death penalty).

Data: http://www.polidata.us/books/default.htm

“Traditional forms of social organization are weaker in today’s America than they were fifty years ago, but they’re still much, much stronger than in Europe, where the economic left has held the whip for decades.”

What is the definition of “forms of social organization” here? Is this specifically talking about the church?