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	<description>Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made</description>
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		<title>By: Harold</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/09/25/social-capital-in-action/comment-page-1/#comment-212404</link>
		<dc:creator>Harold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 02:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps Alison is thinking of Danilo Dolci (not a priest, though). Wonder what happened to him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Perhaps Alison is thinking of Danilo Dolci (not a priest, though). Wonder what happened to him.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/09/25/social-capital-in-action/comment-page-1/#comment-212119</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m near Verona at the moment; maybe I should pick up some artisanal, organic smack?

Forget slow food, meet slow drugs!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m near Verona at the moment; maybe I should pick up some artisanal, organic smack?</p>

	<p>Forget slow food, meet slow drugs!</p>
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		<title>By: JamesP</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/09/25/social-capital-in-action/comment-page-1/#comment-212026</link>
		<dc:creator>JamesP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve read VIOLENT ENTREPRENEURS, I hope?  Easily the best book on &quot;protection&quot; out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You&#8217;ve read <span class="caps">VIOLENT ENTREPRENEURS</span>, I hope?  Easily the best book on &#8220;protection&#8221; out there.</p>
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		<title>By: jk</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/09/25/social-capital-in-action/comment-page-1/#comment-211982</link>
		<dc:creator>jk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh, that&#039;s sooo cute!  I wanna reach out and pinch Varese&#039;s cheeks...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ahh, that&#8217;s sooo cute!  I wanna reach out and pinch Varese&#8217;s cheeks&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alison</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/09/25/social-capital-in-action/comment-page-1/#comment-211979</link>
		<dc:creator>Alison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read a story about a priest who went to a village in Sicily and began to help the farmers with their harvests. He worked for free and asked only for a meal and a place to sleep.

After doing this for a long while, the farmers began to trust him. He helped organize them to pool their labour at harvest time, share equipment, etc. He then helped them achieve enough financial security to gain legitimate financing and end their relationships with the mafia loan sharks. Until he came and injected a little liquidity and trust into the system, each farmer could only count on the financial support of the mafia, which came with an enormous rice tag. He built up the social capital, and the mob lost their marketfor eoensive loans.

I can&#039;t find the reference.

Maybe someone else knows this story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I read a story about a priest who went to a village in Sicily and began to help the farmers with their harvests. He worked for free and asked only for a meal and a place to sleep.</p>

	<p>After doing this for a long while, the farmers began to trust him. He helped organize them to pool their labour at harvest time, share equipment, etc. He then helped them achieve enough financial security to gain legitimate financing and end their relationships with the mafia loan sharks. Until he came and injected a little liquidity and trust into the system, each farmer could only count on the financial support of the mafia, which came with an enormous rice tag. He built up the social capital, and the mob lost their marketfor eoensive loans.</p>

	<p>I can&#8217;t find the reference.</p>

	<p>Maybe someone else knows this story.</p>
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		<title>By: Mafia : NuT</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/09/25/social-capital-in-action/comment-page-1/#comment-211965</link>
		<dc:creator>Mafia : NuT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Varese on the Calabrian ‘Ndrangheta and social capital (PDF). Via Crooked Timber und Herrn W&#246;rtche mit Respekt zugeeignet.   26. Sep. 2007 &#124; zu Kriminalität/Strafverfolgung [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[...] Varese on the Calabrian &#8216;Ndrangheta and social capital (PDF). Via Crooked Timber und Herrn W&#246;rtche mit Respekt zugeeignet.   26. Sep. 2007 | zu Kriminalit&#228;t/Strafverfolgung [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/09/25/social-capital-in-action/comment-page-1/#comment-211953</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People chose the local, fair-trade, protectionist drug dealers rather than the globalised exploitative ones?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>People chose the local, fair-trade, protectionist drug dealers rather than the globalised exploitative ones?</p>
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		<title>By: stm177</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/09/25/social-capital-in-action/comment-page-1/#comment-211923</link>
		<dc:creator>stm177</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 01:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Japanese organized crime is, well, very neat and organized.  The local police know who&#039;s who, and in some sense, depend on organized crime to manage illicit activities and prevent gang wars. 

It&#039;s my impression that stimulants like amphetamines were the big popular drug.  Back in the 90s, you&#039;d alway hear of some man working himself to death after 48 hours straight at his desk or in his shop.  Well, that&#039;s a drug overdose actually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Japanese organized crime is, well, very neat and organized.  The local police know who&#8217;s who, and in some sense, depend on organized crime to manage illicit activities and prevent gang wars.</p>

	<p>It&#8217;s my impression that stimulants like amphetamines were the big popular drug.  Back in the 90s, you&#8217;d alway hear of some man working himself to death after 48 hours straight at his desk or in his shop.  Well, that&#8217;s a drug overdose actually.</p>
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		<title>By: vivian</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/09/25/social-capital-in-action/comment-page-1/#comment-211918</link>
		<dc:creator>vivian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 00:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m amused, but not surprised. There is no theoretical reason to think that &quot;vibrant community networks&quot; have to be forces for (things we here recognize as) good. In fact, if VCNs were biased towards the wholesome, you&#039;d have a heck of a time explaining the persistence of things like the KKK, the nastier nationalist movements, football hooligans, and whatever snarky additions the rest of you want to make to the list. 

But on the Putnam hypothesis, did the Veronese (high social capital) drug dealers function better/more efficiently/more innovatively than their Sicilian (lower SC) counterparts? Or are the mafias islands of high social capital wherever they are?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m amused, but not surprised. There is no theoretical reason to think that &#8220;vibrant community networks&#8221; have to be forces for (things we here recognize as) good. In fact, if VCNs were biased towards the wholesome, you&#8217;d have a heck of a time explaining the persistence of things like the <span class="caps">KKK</span>, the nastier nationalist movements, football hooligans, and whatever snarky additions the rest of you want to make to the list.</p>

	<p>But on the Putnam hypothesis, did the Veronese (high social capital) drug dealers function better/more efficiently/more innovatively than their Sicilian (lower SC) counterparts? Or are the mafias islands of high social capital wherever they are?</p>
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		<title>By: SamChevre</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/09/25/social-capital-in-action/comment-page-1/#comment-211908</link>
		<dc:creator>SamChevre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have found it funny (in a disturbing way) how well-known and powerful local drug dealers are in my part of the country.  Everyone knows who they are, everyone knows that they have a lot of political influence, and nobody cares.  And this is the small-town South--the great bastion of the &quot;Religious Right&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I have found it funny (in a disturbing way) how well-known and powerful local drug dealers are in my part of the country.  Everyone knows who they are, everyone knows that they have a lot of political influence, and nobody cares.  And this is the small-town South&#8212;the great bastion of the &#8220;Religious Right&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks p o&#039;neill - brainfart corrected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>thanks p o&#8217;neill &#8211; brainfart corrected.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Worstall</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/09/25/social-capital-in-action/comment-page-1/#comment-211900</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Worstall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Varese’s book on the Russian Mafia is also an excellent read – his description of the sociology of the vory in Russian prison camps reads like something from Dostoevsky.&quot;

As someone who spent the 90s working in Russia in the metals trade (especially scrap) I&#039;d say that Solzhentisin is also a good guide to both the Russian Mafia and the Communist era managers who held on. &quot;Vory&quot; is very much a useful template (sorry, was).

Back then standard advice was to choose your &quot;krisha&quot;*. Your &quot;roof&quot;. They would get a cut of the action, protect you, and also provide your export licences etc. One really rather disturbing thing was the way that &quot;krisha&quot; in sign language was the two hands facing each other by the palms, the ends of the fingers touching and the wrists apart. Think &quot;here&#039;s the church, here&#039;s the steeple and here&#039;s all the people&quot; and stick with the steeple.

When Viktor Chernomyrdin ran for Prime Minister, the posters had his hands in that position, under the party name &quot;Nash Dom Rossiya&quot; ....&quot;Our Home, Russia&quot;.

* We chose a scientific institute, no thugs, no special licences, no bribes and this is why I now have a small Russian metals business, not a large one. Plus, at least on this point, a clean conscience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Varese&#8217;s book on the Russian Mafia is also an excellent read &#8211; his description of the sociology of the vory in Russian prison camps reads like something from Dostoevsky.&#8221;</p>

	<p>As someone who spent the 90s working in Russia in the metals trade (especially scrap) I&#8217;d say that Solzhentisin is also a good guide to both the Russian Mafia and the Communist era managers who held on. &#8220;Vory&#8221; is very much a useful template (sorry, was).</p>

	<p>Back then standard advice was to choose your &#8220;krisha&#8221;*. Your &#8220;roof&#8221;. They would get a cut of the action, protect you, and also provide your export licences etc. One really rather disturbing thing was the way that &#8220;krisha&#8221; in sign language was the two hands facing each other by the palms, the ends of the fingers touching and the wrists apart. Think &#8220;here&#8217;s the church, here&#8217;s the steeple and here&#8217;s all the people&#8221; and stick with the steeple.</p>

	<p>When Viktor Chernomyrdin ran for Prime Minister, the posters had his hands in that position, under the party name &#8220;Nash Dom Rossiya&#8221; &#8230;.&#8221;Our Home, Russia&#8221;.</p>

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		<li>We chose a scientific institute, no thugs, no special licences, no bribes and this is why I now have a small Russian metals business, not a large one. Plus, at least on this point, a clean conscience.</li>
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		<title>By: P O'Neill</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/09/25/social-capital-in-action/comment-page-1/#comment-211895</link>
		<dc:creator>P O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not &quot;Corsican&quot; -- although Corsican gangsterism is also an interesting story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Not &#8220;Corsican&#8221;&#8212;although Corsican gangsterism is also an interesting story.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Henley</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/09/25/social-capital-in-action/comment-page-1/#comment-211892</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Henley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Er, sounds like a happy ending to &lt;em&gt;me&lt;/em&gt; . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Er, sounds like a happy ending to <em>me</em> . . .</p>
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