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	<description>Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made</description>
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		<title>By: Eli Rabett</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/09/26/shameful/comment-page-1/#comment-212488</link>
		<dc:creator>Eli Rabett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 02:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, its called implausible deniability and the proper response is bullshit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yeah, its called implausible deniability and the proper response is bullshit.</p>
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		<title>By: WakeUp</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/09/26/shameful/comment-page-1/#comment-212358</link>
		<dc:creator>WakeUp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Henry, you&#039;re the one who&#039;s shameless. I saw Frum on theat second Bloggingheads segment and you haven&#039;t got the vaguest idea what you&#039;re talking about. Frum in his blog has just responded to your smear, where he essentially says: There&#039;s a difference in saying &quot;You&#039;re going to hit someone someday if you keep driving like that&quot; and &quot;You&#039;ve just hit someone.&quot; If you had an ounce of good faith mixed in with your malice, you&#039;d have put two and two together and realized that&#039;s what he meant. Instead, with glee, you jump to the most damning interpretation. If you&#039;re going to comment on public affairs, try not to be a public nuisance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Henry, you&#8217;re the one who&#8217;s shameless. I saw Frum on theat second Bloggingheads segment and you haven&#8217;t got the vaguest idea what you&#8217;re talking about. Frum in his blog has just responded to your smear, where he essentially says: There&#8217;s a difference in saying &#8220;You&#8217;re going to hit someone someday if you keep driving like that&#8221; and &#8220;You&#8217;ve just hit someone.&#8221; If you had an ounce of good faith mixed in with your malice, you&#8217;d have put two and two together and realized that&#8217;s what he meant. Instead, with glee, you jump to the most damning interpretation. If you&#8217;re going to comment on public affairs, try not to be a public nuisance.</p>
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		<title>By: John Emerson</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/09/26/shameful/comment-page-1/#comment-212186</link>
		<dc:creator>John Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, settled. Much of the state was depopulated during the Civil Wars because of Sioux attacks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>OK, settled. Much of the state was depopulated during the Civil Wars because of Sioux attacks.</p>
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		<title>By: Sk</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/09/26/shameful/comment-page-1/#comment-212180</link>
		<dc:creator>Sk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It really bothers me that anyone should feel the need to display such a slogan.&quot;

We don&#039;t feel the need to.  We do it because we want to.

Sk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;It really bothers me that anyone should feel the need to display such a slogan.&#8221;</p>

	<p>We don&#8217;t feel the need to.  We do it because we want to.</p>

	<p>Sk</p>
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		<title>By: BillCinSD</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/09/26/shameful/comment-page-1/#comment-212169</link>
		<dc:creator>BillCinSD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>given that minnesota was granted statehood in 1858, it seems quite unlikely that minnesota was founded by civil war vets</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>given that minnesota was granted statehood in 1858, it seems quite unlikely that minnesota was founded by civil war vets</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph Hitchens</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/09/26/shameful/comment-page-1/#comment-212166</link>
		<dc:creator>Ralph Hitchens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The politicization of patriotism by &quot;conservatives&quot; is shameful.  A few years ago, when I was an inside-the-beltway government bureaucrat, I began to feel conspicuous about my reluctance to wear the obligatory American flag pin in my lapel.  I&#039;m feeling the same way about neglecting to sport a &quot;Support Our Troops&quot; bumper sticker on my car.  I&#039;ve been opposed to the Iraq War from the start, and I fear that bumper sticker is, for the most part, a right-wing flag.  It really bothers me that anyone should feel the need to display such a slogan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The politicization of patriotism by &#8220;conservatives&#8221; is shameful.  A few years ago, when I was an inside-the-beltway government bureaucrat, I began to feel conspicuous about my reluctance to wear the obligatory American flag pin in my lapel.  I&#8217;m feeling the same way about neglecting to sport a &#8220;Support Our Troops&#8221; bumper sticker on my car.  I&#8217;ve been opposed to the Iraq War from the start, and I fear that bumper sticker is, for the most part, a right-wing flag.  It really bothers me that anyone should feel the need to display such a slogan.</p>
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		<title>By: John Emerson</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/09/26/shameful/comment-page-1/#comment-212159</link>
		<dc:creator>John Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lindbergh is my homie and basically came from Lake Wobegon. So did Sinclair Lewis.

Minnesota politics 1930-1940 was really quite a positive story. The Farmer-Labor Party during that period was run by populist soc1411ists. They were as successful as any American left group has ever been, and their heritage is almost entirely positive (except to right-libertarian scum like the Powerline shits).

BUT what Minnesota had achieved was a united right-left populist-extremist popular front, united against the Republicans (the Democrats almost disappeared—they’d always been weak in Minnesota because Minnesota was founded by Union civil War veterans.)

In 1936 the only Congressman voting to support the Spanish Republican cause was John Bernard of the Duluth area, who later admitted to being a Communist. But in 1940 FL Senator Lundeen was implicated in Nazi propaganda efforts (dying mysteriously in a plane crash.)

This was a very big tent, and when you consider that small-town bankers were important early FL supporters, you have to wonder whether it wasn’t the biggest tent EVER.

Many FL supporters were first or second-generation Scandinavian or German immigrants (though Bernard was a Corsican, of all things.) The geographical isolation of the Midwest during the early XXc was also a factor—people were aware that their lives were decided by events taking place very far away, something which induces paranoia.

I still think that people around here are more willing than elsewhere to make their political commitments based on their own thinking, rather than by triangulating public opinion or deciding which kingpin will be able to deliver them the goods. People who do their own thinking tend to be erratic.

So anyway, moderation is the titration of extremes. I really think that Hofstadter&#039;s version  of populism was all wrong.

NOTE: Y&#039;all really have to tweak your stupid spam filter. It should be possible to use the word soc1411sm here, of all places.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Lindbergh is my homie and basically came from Lake Wobegon. So did Sinclair Lewis.</p>

	<p>Minnesota politics 1930-1940 was really quite a positive story. The Farmer-Labor Party during that period was run by populist soc1411ists. They were as successful as any American left group has ever been, and their heritage is almost entirely positive (except to right-libertarian scum like the Powerline shits).</p>

	<p><span class="caps">BUT</span> what Minnesota had achieved was a united right-left populist-extremist popular front, united against the Republicans (the Democrats almost disappeared&#8212;they&#8217;d always been weak in Minnesota because Minnesota was founded by Union civil War veterans.)</p>

	<p>In 1936 the only Congressman voting to support the Spanish Republican cause was John Bernard of the Duluth area, who later admitted to being a Communist. But in 1940 <span class="caps">FL </span>Senator Lundeen was implicated in Nazi propaganda efforts (dying mysteriously in a plane crash.)</p>

	<p>This was a very big tent, and when you consider that small-town bankers were important early FL supporters, you have to wonder whether it wasn&#8217;t the biggest tent <span class="caps">EVER</span>.</p>

	<p>Many FL supporters were first or second-generation Scandinavian or German immigrants (though Bernard was a Corsican, of all things.) The geographical isolation of the Midwest during the early XXc was also a factor&#8212;people were aware that their lives were decided by events taking place very far away, something which induces paranoia.</p>

	<p>I still think that people around here are more willing than elsewhere to make their political commitments based on their own thinking, rather than by triangulating public opinion or deciding which kingpin will be able to deliver them the goods. People who do their own thinking tend to be erratic.</p>

	<p>So anyway, moderation is the titration of extremes. I really think that Hofstadter&#8217;s version  of populism was all wrong.</p>

	<p><span class="caps">NOTE</span>: Y&#8217;all really have to tweak your stupid spam filter. It should be possible to use the word soc1411sm here, of all places.</p>
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		<title>By: John Emerson</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/09/26/shameful/comment-page-1/#comment-212157</link>
		<dc:creator>John Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lindbergh is my homie and basically came from Lake Wobegon. So did Sinclair Lewis.

Minnesota politics 1930-1940 was really quite a positive story. The Farmer-Labor Party during that period was run by populist socialists. They were as successful as any American left group has ever been, and their heritage is almost entirely positive (except to right-libertarian scum like the Powerline shits).

BUT what Minnesota had achieved was a united right-left populist-extremist popular front, united against the Republicans (the Democrats almost disappeared -- they&#039;d always been weak in Minnesota because Minnesota was founded by Union civil War veterans.)

In 1936 the only Congressman voting to support the Spanish Republican cause was John Bernard of the Duluth area, who later admitted to being a Communist. But in 1942 FL Senator Lundeen  was implicated in Nazi propaganda efforts.

This is a very big tent, and when you consider that small-town bankers were important early FL supporters, you have to wonder whether it wasn&#039;t the biggest tent EVER.

Many FL supporters were first or second-generation Scandinavian or German immigrants (though Bernard was a Corsican, of all things.) The geographical isolation of the Midwest during the early XXc was also a factor -- people were aware that their lives were decided by events taking place very far away.

I still think that people around here are more willing than elsewhere to make their political commitments based on their own thinking, rather than by triangulating public opinion or deciding which kingpin will be able to deliver them the  goods. People who do their own thinking tend to be erratic.

So anyway, moderation is the titraton of extremes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Lindbergh is my homie and basically came from Lake Wobegon. So did Sinclair Lewis.</p>

	<p>Minnesota politics 1930-1940 was really quite a positive story. The Farmer-Labor Party during that period was run by populist socialists. They were as successful as any American left group has ever been, and their heritage is almost entirely positive (except to right-libertarian scum like the Powerline shits).</p>

	<p><span class="caps">BUT</span> what Minnesota had achieved was a united right-left populist-extremist popular front, united against the Republicans (the Democrats almost disappeared&#8212;they&#8217;d always been weak in Minnesota because Minnesota was founded by Union civil War veterans.)</p>

	<p>In 1936 the only Congressman voting to support the Spanish Republican cause was John Bernard of the Duluth area, who later admitted to being a Communist. But in 1942 <span class="caps">FL </span>Senator Lundeen  was implicated in Nazi propaganda efforts.</p>

	<p>This is a very big tent, and when you consider that small-town bankers were important early FL supporters, you have to wonder whether it wasn&#8217;t the biggest tent <span class="caps">EVER</span>.</p>

	<p>Many FL supporters were first or second-generation Scandinavian or German immigrants (though Bernard was a Corsican, of all things.) The geographical isolation of the Midwest during the early XXc was also a factor&#8212;people were aware that their lives were decided by events taking place very far away.</p>

	<p>I still think that people around here are more willing than elsewhere to make their political commitments based on their own thinking, rather than by triangulating public opinion or deciding which kingpin will be able to deliver them the  goods. People who do their own thinking tend to be erratic.</p>

	<p>So anyway, moderation is the titraton of extremes.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobcat</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/09/26/shameful/comment-page-1/#comment-212148</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobcat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know I&#039;m going to get super-flamed for this, but didn&#039;t Frum say, something like, &quot;don&#039;t let it [i.e, your antipathy for the right-wing reaction to and use of 9/11] &lt;b&gt;turn you into&lt;/b&gt; a Charles Lindbergh? 

Obviously, this isn&#039;t much better -- to suggest that you&#039;re on the road to Lindbergh isn&#039;t quite as bad as saying you&#039;re Lindbergh, but it&#039;s still bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I know I&#8217;m going to get super-flamed for this, but didn&#8217;t Frum say, something like, &#8220;don&#8217;t let it [i.e, your antipathy for the right-wing reaction to and use of 9/11] <b>turn you into</b> a Charles Lindbergh?</p>

	<p>Obviously, this isn&#8217;t much better&#8212;to suggest that you&#8217;re on the road to Lindbergh isn&#8217;t quite as bad as saying you&#8217;re Lindbergh, but it&#8217;s still bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/09/26/shameful/comment-page-1/#comment-212138</link>
		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I wonder if anyone has written an alt history in which Churchill’s reputation is not rescued by Hitler and he goes on to ignominy as an intolerant, alcoholic imperialist who can’t be trusted with the economy?&lt;/i&gt;

He was in exile in Canada in Harris&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Fatherland&lt;/i&gt;, tho it&#039;s just an offhand mention.

C&#039;s alcoholism seems to be greatly exaggerated; he mixed a good bit of water with his scotch, and ate more than enough to help soak up the spirits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I wonder if anyone has written an alt history in which Churchill&#8217;s reputation is not rescued by Hitler and he goes on to ignominy as an intolerant, alcoholic imperialist who can&#8217;t be trusted with the economy?</i></p>

	<p>He was in exile in Canada in Harris&#8217;s <i>Fatherland</i>, tho it&#8217;s just an offhand mention.</p>

	<p>C&#8217;s alcoholism seems to be greatly exaggerated; he mixed a good bit of water with his scotch, and ate more than enough to help soak up the spirits.</p>
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		<title>By: richard</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/09/26/shameful/comment-page-1/#comment-212130</link>
		<dc:creator>richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if anyone has written an alt history in which Churchill&#039;s reputation is not rescued by Hitler and he goes on to ignominy as an intolerant, alcoholic imperialist who can&#039;t be trusted with the economy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I wonder if anyone has written an alt history in which Churchill&#8217;s reputation is not rescued by Hitler and he goes on to ignominy as an intolerant, alcoholic imperialist who can&#8217;t be trusted with the economy?</p>
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		<title>By: jonst</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/09/26/shameful/comment-page-1/#comment-212123</link>
		<dc:creator>jonst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 10:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Listen to the neocons long enough, and you&#039;ll see that all roads lead back to Munich. On one side is Neville Chamberlain, in a silly (in fashion retrospect, of course) homburg hat, waving some piece of paper in one hand, limply hanging over the wrist of the other hand, an umbrella that conjures up a hectoring, but loving wife reminding a dour civil servant to take his umbrella with him this morning &#039;because it might rain&#039;. And on the other side....in his study, in front of a roaring fireplace, with pictures of his warrior ancestors surrounding him, sits Churchill. He&#039;s brooding over the perceived weakness of his nation (read lack a manly sprirt)...sipping aged scotch, and smoking a immense Cuban cigar.  

It works every time....and it works to this day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Listen to the neocons long enough, and you&#8217;ll see that all roads lead back to Munich. On one side is Neville Chamberlain, in a silly (in fashion retrospect, of course) homburg hat, waving some piece of paper in one hand, limply hanging over the wrist of the other hand, an umbrella that conjures up a hectoring, but loving wife reminding a dour civil servant to take his umbrella with him this morning &#8216;because it might rain&#8217;. And on the other side&#8230;.in his study, in front of a roaring fireplace, with pictures of his warrior ancestors surrounding him, sits Churchill. He&#8217;s brooding over the perceived weakness of his nation (read lack a manly sprirt)&#8230;sipping aged scotch, and smoking a immense Cuban cigar.</p>

	<p>It works every time&#8230;.and it works to this day.</p>
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		<title>By: nick s</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/09/26/shameful/comment-page-1/#comment-212104</link>
		<dc:creator>nick s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 06:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frum is a shit. He seems to have periods when he&#039;s quiet, then emerges for a brief barrage of pundit trolling, before running back to the safe confines of Mordor the AEI.

You&#039;ll be doing no more bloggingheads, then, Henry?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Frum is a shit. He seems to have periods when he&#8217;s quiet, then emerges for a brief barrage of pundit trolling, before running back to the safe confines of Mordor the <span class="caps">AEI</span>.</p>

	<p>You&#8217;ll be doing no more bloggingheads, then, Henry?</p>
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		<title>By: bob mcmanus</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/09/26/shameful/comment-page-1/#comment-212088</link>
		<dc:creator>bob mcmanus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 01:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cmon. Why Charles Lindbergh as a slur at this moment in American politics?

Possibly because of his America First activity?

In other words, the Republicans are not preparing the Dolchstoss, but are preparing the political ground for the next war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Cmon. Why Charles Lindbergh as a slur at this moment in American politics?</p>

	<p>Possibly because of his America First activity?</p>

	<p>In other words, the Republicans are not preparing the Dolchstoss, but are preparing the political ground for the next war.</p>
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		<title>By: brad the impaler</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/09/26/shameful/comment-page-1/#comment-212085</link>
		<dc:creator>brad the impaler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 00:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Frum. Mark Steyn. Conrad Black.
Self-hating Canadians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>David Frum. Mark Steyn. Conrad Black.<br />
Self-hating Canadians.</p>
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