Comments on: Blood Without Glamour http://crookedtimber.org/2007/10/12/blood-without-the-glamour/ Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:15:44 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: just sayin http://crookedtimber.org/2007/10/12/blood-without-the-glamour/comment-page-1/#comment-213798 just sayin Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:06:48 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/10/12/blood-without-the-glamour/#comment-213798 Because the only thing his hardcore supporters worship more than the torture is his willingness to lie in the face of decent society and his ability to do it with impunity. Because the only thing his hardcore supporters worship more than the torture is his willingness to lie in the face of decent society and his ability to do it with impunity.

]]> By: bi http://crookedtimber.org/2007/10/12/blood-without-the-glamour/comment-page-1/#comment-213679 bi Sat, 13 Oct 2007 20:27:12 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/10/12/blood-without-the-glamour/#comment-213679 ...the effect of which may well feed back to the support base. If your sales pitch is based on being absolutely right, as they watch the hordes of disbelievers succumb to the force of the Anti-Idiotarian Missiles. …the effect of which may well feed back to the support base. If your sales pitch is based on being absolutely right, as they watch the hordes of disbelievers succumb to the force of the Anti-Idiotarian Missiles.

]]> By: bi http://crookedtimber.org/2007/10/12/blood-without-the-glamour/comment-page-1/#comment-213676 bi Sat, 13 Oct 2007 20:02:33 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/10/12/blood-without-the-glamour/#comment-213676 "But George Bush is supposed to be our self-styled Mr. Grim Reality, President Bauer. Why the hell is he denying that we do what he must know his most hardcore supporters worship him for having the balls to do?" "Why do neo-Nazis insist that the holocaust didn’t happen … then turn around and talk about doing it again?" I'd guess it's because there are two parts to this Great War on Everything That's Not Us. One part involves pandering to the support base; the other part involves stockpiling rhetorical missiles to launch at people outside of this support base. “But George Bush is supposed to be our self-styled Mr. Grim Reality, President Bauer. Why the hell is he denying that we do what he must know his most hardcore supporters worship him for having the balls to do?”

“Why do neo-Nazis insist that the holocaust didn’t happen … then turn around and talk about doing it again?”

I’d guess it’s because there are two parts to this Great War on Everything That’s Not Us. One part involves pandering to the support base; the other part involves stockpiling rhetorical missiles to launch at people outside of this support base.

]]> By: Leinad http://crookedtimber.org/2007/10/12/blood-without-the-glamour/comment-page-1/#comment-213613 Leinad Sat, 13 Oct 2007 02:11:12 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/10/12/blood-without-the-glamour/#comment-213613 Furthermore, the original Godwin's Law was descriptive, not normative: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." the whole "Godwin! You lose!" thing is a more recent adaptation. Furthermore, the original Godwin’s Law was descriptive, not normative: “As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.” the whole “Godwin! You lose!” thing is a more recent adaptation.

]]> By: Stuart http://crookedtimber.org/2007/10/12/blood-without-the-glamour/comment-page-1/#comment-213610 Stuart Sat, 13 Oct 2007 01:56:30 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/10/12/blood-without-the-glamour/#comment-213610 I think in practise it is supposed to only apply to inappropriate comparisions to Hitler, fascists and/or Nazis. Where inappropriate is most usually interpreted to be anything that is essentially unsubstantiated. So the fascism series at Orcinus shouldn't be claimed as a Godwin violation - whether you agree with Neiwerts line of argument or not, it is clearly not being used as hyperbole or smear, but as a reasoned argument. I think in practise it is supposed to only apply to inappropriate comparisions to Hitler, fascists and/or Nazis. Where inappropriate is most usually interpreted to be anything that is essentially unsubstantiated. So the fascism series at Orcinus shouldn’t be claimed as a Godwin violation – whether you agree with Neiwerts line of argument or not, it is clearly not being used as hyperbole or smear, but as a reasoned argument.

]]> By: Leinad http://crookedtimber.org/2007/10/12/blood-without-the-glamour/comment-page-1/#comment-213607 Leinad Sat, 13 Oct 2007 01:38:46 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/10/12/blood-without-the-glamour/#comment-213607 Uh, my understanding of Godwin is that it doesn't apply to neo-nazis, but comparison to Hitler or the NSDAP. It'd be hard to discuss neo-Nazis if it did apply... Uh, my understanding of Godwin is that it doesn’t apply to neo-nazis, but comparison to Hitler or the NSDAP. It’d be hard to discuss neo-Nazis if it did apply…

]]> By: Greg http://crookedtimber.org/2007/10/12/blood-without-the-glamour/comment-page-1/#comment-213598 Greg Fri, 12 Oct 2007 21:19:44 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/10/12/blood-without-the-glamour/#comment-213598 Wow GMT, Godwin in only 2 posts. New record. Wow GMT, Godwin in only 2 posts. New record.

]]> By: Grand Moff Texan http://crookedtimber.org/2007/10/12/blood-without-the-glamour/comment-page-1/#comment-213587 Grand Moff Texan Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:12:22 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/10/12/blood-without-the-glamour/#comment-213587 <i>Why the hell is he denying that we do what he must know his most hardcore supporters worship him for having the balls to do?</i> Why do neo-Nazis insist that the holocaust didn't happen ... then turn around and talk about doing it again? . Why the hell is he denying that we do what he must know his most hardcore supporters worship him for having the balls to do?

Why do neo-Nazis insist that the holocaust didn’t happen … then turn around and talk about doing it again?
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]]> By: abb1 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/10/12/blood-without-the-glamour/comment-page-1/#comment-213586 abb1 Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:18:59 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/10/12/blood-without-the-glamour/#comment-213586 He says "we don't torture" for exactly the same reason others say "on advice of my counsel I respectfully assert my fifth amendment right against self-incrimination". He says “we don’t torture” for exactly the same reason others say “on advice of my counsel I respectfully assert my fifth amendment right against self-incrimination”.

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