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	<title>Comments on: Why Not Just Build a Giant Replica of Bono&#8217;s Penis?</title>
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		<title>By: novakant</title>
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		<dc:creator>novakant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Haussmann? That built Paris so the mob could be kept down by the cannon? So, so, very humane…&lt;/i&gt;

That was part of it, but you&#039;re ignoring the huge improvements in the quality of life for most inhabitants that the transformation of Paris brought, e.g. sanitation and transport. 

Anyway, my argument about the humane quality of this type of architecture was more aesthetic than sociological, and whatever Zola might have thought at the time, I think there&#039;s a reason why Paris is considered one of the world&#039;s most beautiful cities, if not the most beautiful, by a large majority of people.

&lt;i&gt;What is appropriate?&lt;/i&gt;

The area is indeed awful, but building a swanky scyscraper won&#039;t solve that problem. If you want to regenerate such an area you have to modernize the existing buildings that are worth it and integrate modern buildings in between, all within the restrictions of an overarching aesthetic. Then you have to attract the right people and businesses to buy or rent flats, shops and offices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Haussmann? That built Paris so the mob could be kept down by the cannon? So, so, very humane&#8230;</i></p>

	<p>That was part of it, but you&#8217;re ignoring the huge improvements in the quality of life for most inhabitants that the transformation of Paris brought, e.g. sanitation and transport.</p>

	<p>Anyway, my argument about the humane quality of this type of architecture was more aesthetic than sociological, and whatever Zola might have thought at the time, I think there&#8217;s a reason why Paris is considered one of the world&#8217;s most beautiful cities, if not the most beautiful, by a large majority of people.</p>

	<p><i>What is appropriate?</i></p>

	<p>The area is indeed awful, but building a swanky scyscraper won&#8217;t solve that problem. If you want to regenerate such an area you have to modernize the existing buildings that are worth it and integrate modern buildings in between, all within the restrictions of an overarching aesthetic. Then you have to attract the right people and businesses to buy or rent flats, shops and offices.</p>
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		<title>By: astrongmaybe</title>
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		<dc:creator>astrongmaybe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eh, give me a couple of million euros of a development budget and a team of architects and I&#039;m sure I can come up with something. 

If that&#039;s not forthcoming, the best I can do is point you in the direction of some more intelligent redevelopment of former industrial areas. Hamburg is a good place to start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Eh, give me a couple of million euros of a development budget and a team of architects and I&#8217;m sure I can come up with something.</p>

	<p>If that&#8217;s not forthcoming, the best I can do is point you in the direction of some more intelligent redevelopment of former industrial areas. Hamburg is a good place to start.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Donoghue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Donoghue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 14:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;...neither a Palladian villa nor a vast, look-at-me, over-lit tower is appropriate for the kind of urban environment currently surrounding the site.&lt;/em&gt;

Okay, so you can tell me what is &lt;strong&gt;not&lt;/strong&gt; appropriate for the site. What &lt;strong&gt;is&lt;/strong&gt; appropriate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><em>&#8230;neither a Palladian villa nor a vast, look-at-me, over-lit tower is appropriate for the kind of urban environment currently surrounding the site.</em></p>

	<p>Okay, so you can tell me what is <strong>not</strong> appropriate for the site. What <strong>is</strong> appropriate?</p>
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		<title>By: astrongmaybe</title>
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		<dc:creator>astrongmaybe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a propos:

Caltrava’s ludicrous James Joyce bridge
http://www.irish-architecture.com/buildings_ireland/dublin/bridges/james_joyce.html
should be a warning of the results of cutting-and-pasting the lesser projects of internationally-celebrated architects into the Dublin cityscape. The bridge might have looked OK elsewhere, but at this point on the river it makes no sense at all. It is meant chiefly as a signifier of “Caltrava,” a brand associated with notions “modernity” and “progress” which the clients want for the city and think they can buy off the shelf. 

I’m not arguing against development, modernism or new materials, only for their intelligent application. In other words, (26) &quot;folks&quot; taking architecture and urban planning &quot;seriously.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>a propos:</p>

	<p>Caltrava&#8217;s ludicrous James Joyce bridge<br />
<a href="http://www.irish-architecture.com/buildings_ireland/dublin/bridges/james_joyce.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.irish-architecture.com/buildings_ireland/dublin/bridges/james_joyce.html</a><br />
should be a warning of the results of cutting-and-pasting the lesser projects of internationally-celebrated architects into the Dublin cityscape. The bridge might have looked OK elsewhere, but at this point on the river it makes no sense at all. It is meant chiefly as a signifier of &#8220;Caltrava,&#8221; a brand associated with notions &#8220;modernity&#8221; and &#8220;progress&#8221; which the clients want for the city and think they can buy off the shelf.</p>

	<p>I&#8217;m not arguing against development, modernism or new materials, only for their intelligent application. In other words, (26) &#8220;folks&#8221; taking architecture and urban planning &#8220;seriously.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: astrongmaybe</title>
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		<dc:creator>astrongmaybe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>26 - neither a Palladian villa nor a vast, look-at-me, over-lit tower is appropriate for the kind of urban environment currently surrounding the site. Just because you find a number of the neighboring buildings ugly doesn&#039;t give star architects and the Ozymandian rich (Mr. Hewson) license to treat the surrounding area as a blank canvas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>26 &#8211; neither a Palladian villa nor a vast, look-at-me, over-lit tower is appropriate for the kind of urban environment currently surrounding the site. Just because you find a number of the neighboring buildings ugly doesn&#8217;t give star architects and the Ozymandian rich (Mr. Hewson) license to treat the surrounding area as a blank canvas.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Donoghue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Donoghue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 08:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I’m agin putting that thing there, where it’s clearly disproportionate and contextually incongruous. If Foster was as good as they claim he is he would take account of the built environment in which he proposes to place his stuff.&lt;/em&gt;

In this instance the built environment includes the Point Depot, Alexandra Basin (where ugly great container ships dock), the East Link toll bridge and Shelbourne Park Greyhound Stadium; a little further out there are the two tall chimneys of the power station, painted in bright red and white stripes to scare the airliners. Eyesores all.

Seriously folks, what do you expect Foster to put there, a Palladian villa?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><em>I&#8217;m agin putting that thing there, where it&#8217;s clearly disproportionate and contextually incongruous. If Foster was as good as they claim he is he would take account of the built environment in which he proposes to place his stuff.</em></p>

	<p>In this instance the built environment includes the Point Depot, Alexandra Basin (where ugly great container ships dock), the East Link toll bridge and Shelbourne Park Greyhound Stadium; a little further out there are the two tall chimneys of the power station, painted in bright red and white stripes to scare the airliners. Eyesores all.</p>

	<p>Seriously folks, what do you expect Foster to put there, a Palladian villa?</p>
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		<title>By: chris y</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris y</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 08:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t really tell from the postage stamp picture Splintered provides whether the thing is actually any good or not. It might very well be. Plenty of modern architecture is in fact awe inspiring and beautiful in a skiffy sort of way (although plenty more is ugly, derivative rubbish made of inferior materials and guaranteed to make the people who use it ill). 

I&#039;m not agin modernism. I&#039;m agin putting that thing there, where it&#039;s clearly disproportionate and contextually incongruous. If Foster was as good as they claim he is he would take account of the built environment in which he proposes to place his stuff. That he doesn&#039;t appear to do so suggests that he is more interested in drawings than buildings (and not an arrogant solipsist who doesn&#039;t care whether his designs are actually useful at all, oh no.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You can&#8217;t really tell from the postage stamp picture Splintered provides whether the thing is actually any good or not. It might very well be. Plenty of modern architecture is in fact awe inspiring and beautiful in a skiffy sort of way (although plenty more is ugly, derivative rubbish made of inferior materials and guaranteed to make the people who use it ill).</p>

	<p>I&#8217;m not agin modernism. I&#8217;m agin putting that thing there, where it&#8217;s clearly disproportionate and contextually incongruous. If Foster was as good as they claim he is he would take account of the built environment in which he proposes to place his stuff. That he doesn&#8217;t appear to do so suggests that he is more interested in drawings than buildings (and not an arrogant solipsist who doesn&#8217;t care whether his designs are actually useful at all, oh no.)</p>
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		<title>By: Keir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 04:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haussmann? That built Paris so the mob could be kept down by the cannon? So, so, very humane...

As for timelessness, Zola is said by Wikipedia to have hated the changes, and this wasn&#039;t a hugely unusual opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Haussmann? That built Paris so the mob could be kept down by the cannon? So, so, very humane&#8230;</p>

	<p>As for timelessness, Zola is said by Wikipedia to have hated the changes, and this wasn&#8217;t a hugely unusual opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 22:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What shall I do with this absurdity -
O heart, O troubled heart - this caricature,
Decrepit age that has been tied to me
As to a dog&#039;s tail?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;What shall I do with this absurdity &#8211; O heart, O troubled heart &#8211; this caricature,<br />
Decrepit age that has been tied to me<br />
As to a dog&#8217;s tail?&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: novakant</title>
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		<dc:creator>novakant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s rubbish, just like that space needle thing on O&#039;Connell Street. And while I haven&#039;t turned into Prince Charles yet and could name a number of modern architects that I like, there is a point to be made that urban architecture a la Haussmann or John Nash has a certain timeless and humane quality that pleases most people&#039;s eye, while most of the postwar architecture is bland corporate junk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It&#8217;s rubbish, just like that space needle thing on O&#8217;Connell Street. And while I haven&#8217;t turned into Prince Charles yet and could name a number of modern architects that I like, there is a point to be made that urban architecture a la Haussmann or John Nash has a certain timeless and humane quality that pleases most people&#8217;s eye, while most of the postwar architecture is bland corporate junk.</p>
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		<title>By: stostosto</title>
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		<dc:creator>stostosto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Katherine:

Honest? I think such towers will always face resistance from small-minded, unimaginative, regressive reactionaries such as myself. 

But when they&#039;re proposed by insufferable and irritatingly, incomprehensibly (to us) successful people who furthermore are earnestly endeavouring in proselytising causes, well...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Katherine:</p>

	<p>Honest? I think such towers will always face resistance from small-minded, unimaginative, regressive reactionaries such as myself.</p>

	<p>But when they&#8217;re proposed by insufferable and irritatingly, incomprehensibly (to us) successful people who furthermore are earnestly endeavouring in proselytising causes, well&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is the problem that the tower is a bad/ugly design or that it is proposed by Bono/U2?  Be honest now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Is the problem that the tower is a bad/ugly design or that it is proposed by Bono/U2?  Be honest now.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Bertram</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Bertram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That thing in front of the GPO in O&#039;Connell Street also has something of the replica penis about it, I always think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>That thing in front of the <span class="caps">GPO</span> in O&#8217;Connell Street also has something of the replica penis about it, I always think.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnQ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, considering the fact that Bono is probably a cyborg, I&#039;d imagine that is a replica of his penis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Well, considering the fact that Bono is probably a cyborg, I&#8217;d imagine that is a replica of his penis.</p>
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		<title>By: stostosto</title>
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		<dc:creator>stostosto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>U2 has always been through-and-through insufferable. If they had stuck to just playing their godawful music that would have been quite insufferable enough, thank you. Yet they (or at least Bono) had to launch perpetual world-saving crusades all the time. 

In that perspective this tower actually looks surprisingly moderately offensive. I mean it&#039;s offensive, but not as much as one might expect. But then I have no relationship to the Dublin skyline whatsoever. I didn&#039;t even know it had one.

What I can say for certain, though, is that I think Bono himself looks like a penis. A bespectacled penis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>U2 has always been through-and-through insufferable. If they had stuck to just playing their godawful music that would have been quite insufferable enough, thank you. Yet they (or at least Bono) had to launch perpetual world-saving crusades all the time.</p>

	<p>In that perspective this tower actually looks surprisingly moderately offensive. I mean it&#8217;s offensive, but not as much as one might expect. But then I have no relationship to the Dublin skyline whatsoever. I didn&#8217;t even know it had one.</p>

	<p>What I can say for certain, though, is that I think Bono himself looks like a penis. A bespectacled penis.</p>
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