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		<title>By: slightly_peeved</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/10/19/bad-accents/comment-page-3/#comment-214898</link>
		<dc:creator>slightly_peeved</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 05:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and this thread would not be complete without congratulations to Sean Connery, for playing people of all nations without once, ever, sounding like anyone else but Sean Connery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oh, and this thread would not be complete without congratulations to Sean Connery, for playing people of all nations without once, ever, sounding like anyone else but Sean Connery.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt McIrvin</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/10/19/bad-accents/comment-page-3/#comment-214892</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt McIrvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 03:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With regard to British actors playing Americans, I think things have changed.  These days, there are a lot of people like Hugh Laurie, Bob Hoskins, Christian Bale and Tom Wilkinson who can actually pull it off.

In older shows, though, and to some extent in second-string productions today, I notice a lot of British actors doing the same weird, hammy accent that I guess must have been taught as &quot;an American accent&quot; in theater classes, or some such place--usually accompanied by swaggering comic-macho mannerisms.  Think of the rocket pilot in the old Doctor Who serial &quot;Tomb of the Cybermen&quot;, or the guy who wants a Waldorf salad on Fawlty Towers, or Graham Chapman as the movie mogul who fires everybody.  They&#039;re all doing it.  I&#039;ve never actually heard an American talk this way, though 1940s newsreel announcers came close.

Speaking of Doctor Who, actually, Nicola Bryant as Peri Brown, the Doctor&#039;s companion for a while in the Eighties, had the worst supposedly American accent I&#039;ve ever heard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>With regard to British actors playing Americans, I think things have changed.  These days, there are a lot of people like Hugh Laurie, Bob Hoskins, Christian Bale and Tom Wilkinson who can actually pull it off.</p>

	<p>In older shows, though, and to some extent in second-string productions today, I notice a lot of British actors doing the same weird, hammy accent that I guess must have been taught as &#8220;an American accent&#8221; in theater classes, or some such place&#8212;usually accompanied by swaggering comic-macho mannerisms.  Think of the rocket pilot in the old Doctor Who serial &#8220;Tomb of the Cybermen&#8221;, or the guy who wants a Waldorf salad on Fawlty Towers, or Graham Chapman as the movie mogul who fires everybody.  They&#8217;re all doing it.  I&#8217;ve never actually heard an American talk this way, though 1940s newsreel announcers came close.</p>

	<p>Speaking of Doctor Who, actually, Nicola Bryant as Peri Brown, the Doctor&#8217;s companion for a while in the Eighties, had the worst supposedly American accent I&#8217;ve ever heard.</p>
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		<title>By: slightly_peeved</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/10/19/bad-accents/comment-page-3/#comment-214889</link>
		<dc:creator>slightly_peeved</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 02:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have trouble listening to Eric Bana do serious action movies, when he developed his faux-US accent doing parodies of the same sort of roles for sketch-comedy shows in Australia.

It&#039;s like watching Hugh Laurie in house.  You&#039;re always waiting for the joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I have trouble listening to Eric Bana do serious action movies, when he developed his faux-US accent doing parodies of the same sort of roles for sketch-comedy shows in Australia.</p>

	<p>It&#8217;s like watching Hugh Laurie in house.  You&#8217;re always waiting for the joke.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry (not the famous one)</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/10/19/bad-accents/comment-page-3/#comment-214881</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry (not the famous one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 01:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#133--absolutely. The notion that any real Bostonian would turn down tickets for that or any other Series game is simply unbelievable on any level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>#133&#8212;absolutely. The notion that any real Bostonian would turn down tickets for that or any other Series game is simply unbelievable on any level.</p>
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		<title>By: kaleyna</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/10/19/bad-accents/comment-page-3/#comment-214869</link>
		<dc:creator>kaleyna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone mentiond, David Anders does a pretty good uk/euro accent. I had no idea he was a guy from Oregon when he was on Alias.

How can Terry Gilliam not do a Yank accent? he&#039;s a Yank! 

I agree the Aussies/Kiwis tend to do great American accents. Personally I think you can hear much of the difference between those and also South Africa in the sound of their &#039;a&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>As someone mentiond, David Anders does a pretty good uk/euro accent. I had no idea he was a guy from Oregon when he was on Alias.</p>

	<p>How can Terry Gilliam not do a Yank accent? he&#8217;s a Yank!</p>

	<p>I agree the Aussies/Kiwis tend to do great American accents. Personally I think you can hear much of the difference between those and also South Africa in the sound of their &#8216;a&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: dave heasman</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/10/19/bad-accents/comment-page-3/#comment-214867</link>
		<dc:creator>dave heasman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joel, are you being &quot;ironic&quot;? 
&quot;Also, re: Python—I’m thinking Gilliam could probably have done a good American accent (esp. my ex-girlfriend’s dad)… I just don’t remember them ever letting him speak…&quot;

 Gilliam was at University of Texas somewhere with an old oppo of mine. And Gilbert Shelton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Joel, are you being &#8220;ironic&#8221;?<br />
&#8220;Also, re: Python&#8212;I&#8217;m thinking Gilliam could probably have done a good American accent (esp. my ex-girlfriend&#8217;s dad)&#8230; I just don&#8217;t remember them ever letting him speak&#8230;&#8221;</p>

	<p>Gilliam was at University of Texas somewhere with an old oppo of mine. And Gilbert Shelton.</p>
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		<title>By: eulogist</title>
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		<dc:creator>eulogist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bad accents? Somehow all the north-western European accents in American films sound like German. 

I know I can&#039;t really blame Hollywood for not getting accurate all the accents in the world, but it never ceases to be strange hearing Swedes or Dutchmen talk like they grew up speaking something that sounds quite, but not entirely, almost unlike German.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Bad accents? Somehow all the north-western European accents in American films sound like German.</p>

	<p>I know I can&#8217;t really blame Hollywood for not getting accurate all the accents in the world, but it never ceases to be strange hearing Swedes or Dutchmen talk like they grew up speaking something that sounds quite, but not entirely, almost unlike German.</p>
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		<title>By: LizardBreath</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/10/19/bad-accents/comment-page-3/#comment-214708</link>
		<dc:creator>LizardBreath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laurie in &lt;i&gt;House&lt;/i&gt; sounds perfect to me now (and he&#039;s speaking my native accent -- Midatlantic Eastern Seaboard with everything more specific eroded out of it by listening to midwesterners on TV).  The first couple of episodes of the first season, though, I thought he was off.  Pronunciation was fine, but his pitch was too high for an American; I have a sense that UK men generally pitch their voice a couple of notes higher than Americans. 

Anyone else hear the same thing, or am I making this up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Laurie in <i>House</i> sounds perfect to me now (and he&#8217;s speaking my native accent&#8212;Midatlantic Eastern Seaboard with everything more specific eroded out of it by listening to midwesterners on TV).  The first couple of episodes of the first season, though, I thought he was off.  Pronunciation was fine, but his pitch was too high for an American; I have a sense that UK men generally pitch their voice a couple of notes higher than Americans.</p>

	<p>Anyone else hear the same thing, or am I making this up?</p>
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		<title>By: vanya</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/10/19/bad-accents/comment-page-3/#comment-214706</link>
		<dc:creator>vanya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>131 posts and not one mention of the atrocity that was Robin William&#039;s &quot;Boston&quot; accent in &quot;Good Will Hunting&quot;? William&#039;s monologue about Game 6 of the 1975 World Series may be one of the most cringe worthy performances I&#039;ve ever had to sit through. Both the actual words and the accent. Ye gods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>131 posts and not one mention of the atrocity that was Robin William&#8217;s &#8220;Boston&#8221; accent in &#8220;Good Will Hunting&#8221;? William&#8217;s monologue about Game 6 of the 1975 World Series may be one of the most cringe worthy performances I&#8217;ve ever had to sit through. Both the actual words and the accent. Ye gods.</p>
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		<title>By: Saint Andeol</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/10/19/bad-accents/comment-page-3/#comment-214705</link>
		<dc:creator>Saint Andeol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In regards to Hans&#039; American accent in Die Hard, i&#039;m pretty sure he was doing that to fool Bruce Willis, since they&#039;d talked over the radio but hadn&#039;t met in person.  he&#039;s crafty like that.

also, who saw Paul Walker in Running Scared??  talk about awesome accent.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>In regards to Hans&#8217; American accent in Die Hard, i&#8217;m pretty sure he was doing that to fool Bruce Willis, since they&#8217;d talked over the radio but hadn&#8217;t met in person.  he&#8217;s crafty like that.</p>

	<p>also, who saw Paul Walker in Running Scared??  talk about awesome accent.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Cryptic Ned</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/10/19/bad-accents/comment-page-3/#comment-214694</link>
		<dc:creator>Cryptic Ned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I always thought that the accent thing was perfectly in character for Hans – he COULD speak like an American, but he showed his contempt by not doing so…&lt;/i&gt;

This is how I saw Gabriel Byrne&#039;s character in &quot;Miller&#039;s Crossing&quot;.  Sometimes he sounded American, sometimes he sounded Irish, and I never kept track but I think it depended on who he was talking to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I always thought that the accent thing was perfectly in character for Hans &#8211; he <span class="caps">COULD</span> speak like an American, but he showed his contempt by not doing so&#8230;</i></p>

	<p>This is how I saw Gabriel Byrne&#8217;s character in &#8220;Miller&#8217;s Crossing&#8221;.  Sometimes he sounded American, sometimes he sounded Irish, and I never kept track but I think it depended on who he was talking to.</p>
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		<title>By: theCoach</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/10/19/bad-accents/comment-page-3/#comment-214689</link>
		<dc:creator>theCoach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Best Irish accent: McBain.</description>
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		<title>By: theCoach</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/10/19/bad-accents/comment-page-3/#comment-214687</link>
		<dc:creator>theCoach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In &#039;Big Love&#039; there is an female federal agent that is supposed to be from Boston. Stunningly bad. The topper is that it feels as if the writer(s) think of everyone in  Boston as being from a patrician Boston family in the 19th century.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>In &#8216;Big Love&#8217; there is an female federal agent that is supposed to be from Boston. Stunningly bad. The topper is that it feels as if the writer(s) think of everyone in  Boston as being from a patrician Boston family in the 19th century.</p>
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		<title>By: skeptical</title>
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		<dc:creator>skeptical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear God, the vocal horror that is Julia Roberts playing an Irish woman in Michael Collins.  Thanks for bringing that back to mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Dear God, the vocal horror that is Julia Roberts playing an Irish woman in Michael Collins.  Thanks for bringing that back to mind.</p>
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		<title>By: mollymooly</title>
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		<dc:creator>mollymooly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Kate Winslet in Titanic is playing an American, not a Brit!&lt;/i&gt;
Ah! She sounds like a bad American impression of British, so maybe her accent was spot-on. Any recitations from gilded-age Philadelphians among those German POW recordings?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Kate Winslet in Titanic is playing an American, not a Brit!</i><br />
Ah! She sounds like a bad American impression of British, so maybe her accent was spot-on. Any recitations from gilded-age Philadelphians among those German <span class="caps">POW</span> recordings?</p>
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