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	<title>Comments on: It&#8217;s Islamo-Fascism Week!</title>
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		<title>By: Duncan Bayne</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/10/23/its-islamo-fascism-week/comment-page-1/#comment-215388</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan Bayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 09:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It’s a far, far bigger mystery to me when I see some on the left make common cause with conservative Muslims while overlooking their explicit advocacy of theocracy, sharia law, and execution for gays, adulterers, and apostates.&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s simple really: the enemy of my enemy is my friend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>It&#8217;s a far, far bigger mystery to me when I see some on the left make common cause with conservative Muslims while overlooking their explicit advocacy of theocracy, sharia law, and execution for gays, adulterers, and apostates.</i></p>

	<p>It&#8217;s simple really: the enemy of my enemy is my friend.</p>
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		<title>By: Slacker Friday: &#8220;Islamophobia Promotion Week&#8221;; Breast Cancer Is Sexier (And More Marketable) Than Domestic Violence &#187; Comments from Left Field</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slacker Friday: &#8220;Islamophobia Promotion Week&#8221;; Breast Cancer Is Sexier (And More Marketable) Than Domestic Violence &#187; Comments from Left Field</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 00:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Channelling Tom Lehrer, Kieren Healy of Crooked Timber has penned a tribute in verse to honour these brave warriorz 4 freedumz; Josh Marshall of TPM provides a tongue-in-cheek [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[...] Channelling Tom Lehrer, Kieren Healy of Crooked Timber has penned a tribute in verse to honour these brave warriorz 4 freedumz; Josh Marshall of <span class="caps">TPM</span> provides a tongue-in-cheek [...]</p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/10/23/its-islamo-fascism-week/comment-page-1/#comment-214969</link>
		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 06:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The bitter irony that many of those on the right seem to have to faith in the strength and resiliency of the American people or in the West as a whole.&lt;/i&gt;

Well, this essay - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theamericanscholar.org/archives/wi07/revolt-hofstadter.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Pseudo-Conservative Revolt&lt;/a&gt; was written more than 50 years ago:
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He sees his own country as being so weak that it is constantly about to fall victim to subversion; and yet he feels that it is so all-powerful that any failure it may experience in getting its way in the world — for instance, in the Orient — cannot possibly be due to its limitations but must be attributed to its having been betrayed.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>The bitter irony that many of those on the right seem to have to faith in the strength and resiliency of the American people or in the West as a whole.</i></p>

	<p>Well, this essay &#8211; <a href="http://www.theamericanscholar.org/archives/wi07/revolt-hofstadter.html" rel="nofollow">The Pseudo-Conservative Revolt</a> was written more than 50 years ago:<br />
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He sees his own country as being so weak that it is constantly about to fall victim to subversion; and yet he feels that it is so all-powerful that any failure it may experience in getting its way in the world &#8212; for instance, in the Orient &#8212; cannot possibly be due to its limitations but must be attributed to its having been betrayed.<br />
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		<title>By: kira</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/10/23/its-islamo-fascism-week/comment-page-1/#comment-214964</link>
		<dc:creator>kira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 04:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>islamo-fascism does not exist. it is an oxymoron. that needs to be pointe out</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>islamo-fascism does not exist. it is an oxymoron. that needs to be pointe out</p>
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		<title>By: George Arndt</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/10/23/its-islamo-fascism-week/comment-page-1/#comment-214951</link>
		<dc:creator>George Arndt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many on the right seem to think that Islamic Terrorism is a greater threat than what this country faced in the past.

Lets see, Mao and Stalin, who commanded huge armies and massacred tens of millions of people are..less dangerous than a country who may be, at the most, responsible for several hundred deaths in Iraq? Right..

The Soviets had enough nuclear firepower to destroy every major city in the US in less than an hour. Iran is at least five years away from getting one nuclear bomb and Pakistan has some nukes but, no long range misses. This is not to belittle the possibility of Nuclear or Biological terror. But, horrible as these possibilities are, our civilization can survive them.

	

	We have better technology, better politics and a stronger economy than they do.

	The Islamic world in the present day, is very divided. There is no unified leadership there such as existed during the time of the Crusades.

	The bitter irony that many of those on the right seem to have to faith in the strength and resiliency of the American people or in the West as a whole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Many on the right seem to think that Islamic Terrorism is a greater threat than what this country faced in the past.</p>

	<p>Lets see, Mao and Stalin, who commanded huge armies and massacred tens of millions of people are..less dangerous than a country who may be, at the most, responsible for several hundred deaths in Iraq? Right..</p>

	<p>The Soviets had enough nuclear firepower to destroy every major city in the US in less than an hour. Iran is at least five years away from getting one nuclear bomb and Pakistan has some nukes but, no long range misses. This is not to belittle the possibility of Nuclear or Biological terror. But, horrible as these possibilities are, our civilization can survive them.</p>



	<p>We have better technology, better politics and a stronger economy than they do.</p>

	<p>The Islamic world in the present day, is very divided. There is no unified leadership there such as existed during the time of the Crusades.</p>

	<p>The bitter irony that many of those on the right seem to have to faith in the strength and resiliency of the American people or in the West as a whole.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael @ 22: As it seems you&#039;re not likely to get an answer from Mr. Lale, allow me a guess: 

It&#039;s okay to &lt;i&gt;be&lt;/i&gt; gay as long as you don&#039;t expect to get married, adopt, will your property or assets to your partner-who-is-not-your-spouse, have the right not to be fired because you are gay... 
Basically, it&#039;s okay to be gay as long as you never, &lt;i&gt;ever&lt;/i&gt; mention it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Michael @ 22: As it seems you&#8217;re not likely to get an answer from Mr. Lale, allow me a guess:</p>

	<p>It&#8217;s okay to <i>be</i> gay as long as you don&#8217;t expect to get married, adopt, will your property or assets to your partner-who-is-not-your-spouse, have the right not to be fired because you are gay&#8230;<br />
Basically, it&#8217;s okay to be gay as long as you never, <i>ever</i> mention it.</p>
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		<title>By: c.l. ball</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/10/23/its-islamo-fascism-week/comment-page-1/#comment-214933</link>
		<dc:creator>c.l. ball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;(The other distinctions are pretty clear to me—I can tell, for example, when an acceptable strong woman crosses the line and starts speaking to the interests of other women, whereupon she becomes an unacceptable feminist.)&lt;/i&gt;


It depends on how you define feminism. Anti-abortionists &#039;speak to the interests of other women&#039; but that does not make them feminists. I think of feminism as the recognition that women  have equal rights and should have equal legal opportunities as men and that they should not be judged based on their sexuality in ways that men are not so judged (e.g., &quot;she&#039;s smart but she&#039;s over-weight so I don&#039;t want to hire her; he&#039;s smart and over-weight but that&#039;s ok for a guy, so let&#039;s hire him,&quot; leaving aside for now the illegitimacy of weight-based evaluation). 

But read some of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/10/02/4248/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;comments recorded here&lt;/a&gt; by purported feminists.

* “Shared anatomy is not shared values. . . . I’m sorry but Condoleeza Rice is a man in a woman’s suit.”

* “I’d love to see a woman in office in the United States of America. However, the term woman comes first. Not one of the boys. I think Hillary has to remove herself from being one of the boys.&quot;

* “Unfortunately... we have now come to identify women and power not as the radicalization of the mechanism and definition of power, but instead women climbing to the top of the current patriarchy and bureaucratic hierarchy at any cost.”

* &quot;Now, again-there are some women who view power the way men do. But generally speaking, women do it differently.&quot;

They clearly mean something more than equal rights and non-sexual judgments. In the view represented by these quotes, &quot;strong woman&quot; is not equal to &quot;feminist&quot; because a feminist must view power differently than Condi Rice or HRC. 

On gay polemicists, one could have supported more funding and treatment for HIV/AIDS while opposing  ACT UP-style militancy. One can oppose public expressions of sexuality of whatever stripe, as many conservative gays and straights do (and I do not), without opposing private sexuality of whatever stripe. None of this means that people like Coulter make such fine-grained arguments. 

That said, I&#039;m at a loss for leftists who make &quot;common cause&quot; with Islamic fundamentalist. Leftists opposed to US foreign policy have not embraced the Iranian or Saudi regimes&#039; domestic repression. If you have in mind the Marglin&#039;s v. Sen/Nussbaum/Hobsbawm debate, that&#039;s another matter entirely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>(The other distinctions are pretty clear to me&#8212;I can tell, for example, when an acceptable strong woman crosses the line and starts speaking to the interests of other women, whereupon she becomes an unacceptable feminist.)</i></p>


	<p>It depends on how you define feminism. Anti-abortionists &#8216;speak to the interests of other women&#8217; but that does not make them feminists. I think of feminism as the recognition that women  have equal rights and should have equal legal opportunities as men and that they should not be judged based on their sexuality in ways that men are not so judged (e.g., &#8220;she&#8217;s smart but she&#8217;s over-weight so I don&#8217;t want to hire her; he&#8217;s smart and over-weight but that&#8217;s ok for a guy, so let&#8217;s hire him,&#8221; leaving aside for now the illegitimacy of weight-based evaluation).</p>

	<p>But read some of the <a href="http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/10/02/4248/" rel="nofollow">comments recorded here</a> by purported feminists.</p>

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		<li>&#8220;Shared anatomy is not shared values. . . . I&#8217;m sorry but Condoleeza Rice is a man in a woman&#8217;s suit.&#8221;</li>
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		<li>&#8220;I&#8217;d love to see a woman in office in the United States of America. However, the term woman comes first. Not one of the boys. I think Hillary has to remove herself from being one of the boys.&#8221;</li>
	</ul>

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		<li>&#8220;Unfortunately&#8230; we have now come to identify women and power not as the radicalization of the mechanism and definition of power, but instead women climbing to the top of the current patriarchy and bureaucratic hierarchy at any cost.&#8221;</li>
	</ul>

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		<li>&#8220;Now, again-there are some women who view power the way men do. But generally speaking, women do it differently.&#8221;</li>
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	<p>They clearly mean something more than equal rights and non-sexual judgments. In the view represented by these quotes, &#8220;strong woman&#8221; is not equal to &#8220;feminist&#8221; because a feminist must view power differently than Condi Rice or <span class="caps">HRC</span>.</p>

	<p>On gay polemicists, one could have supported more funding and treatment for <span class="caps">HIV</span>/AIDS while opposing  <span class="caps">ACT UP</span>-style militancy. One can oppose public expressions of sexuality of whatever stripe, as many conservative gays and straights do (and I do not), without opposing private sexuality of whatever stripe. None of this means that people like Coulter make such fine-grained arguments.</p>

	<p>That said, I&#8217;m at a loss for leftists who make &#8220;common cause&#8221; with Islamic fundamentalist. Leftists opposed to US foreign policy have not embraced the Iranian or Saudi regimes&#8217; domestic repression. If you have in mind the Marglin&#8217;s v. Sen/Nussbaum/Hobsbawm debate, that&#8217;s another matter entirely.</p>
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		<title>By: hermes</title>
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		<dc:creator>hermes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 17:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well done, sir.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>well done, sir.</p>
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		<title>By: Amicus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amicus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lehrer sounds tinny.

Mark Russell&#039;s version of the same is much better!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Lehrer sounds tinny.</p>

	<p>Mark Russell&#8217;s version of the same is much better!</p>
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		<title>By: ajay</title>
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		<dc:creator>ajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Yes, Colin, but only deep in blog comment sections. Otherwise we are advised to use the code name “Operation Locksley Hall.”&lt;/i&gt;

Our secret&#039;s out! Quick, to the argosies!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Yes, Colin, but only deep in blog comment sections. Otherwise we are advised to use the code name &#8220;Operation Locksley Hall.&#8221;</i></p>

	<p>Our secret&#8217;s out! Quick, to the argosies!</p>
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		<title>By: MFB</title>
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		<dc:creator>MFB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sino-Spanish?

Shurely shome mishtake!

Islamo-Spanish!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sino-Spanish?</p>

	<p>Shurely shome mishtake!</p>

	<p>Islamo-Spanish!!</p>
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		<title>By: JP Stormcrow</title>
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		<dc:creator>JP Stormcrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And under no circumstances are we to leak Hillary’s decision to name Spanish as the One World Language.&lt;/i&gt;
Mi pensas vin misspelled Esperanton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>And under no circumstances are we to leak Hillary&#8217;s decision to name Spanish as the One World Language.</i><br />
Mi pensas vin misspelled Esperanton.</p>
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		<title>By: Niet links, niet rechts, maar dwars over alles heen &#171; Om ter saaist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niet links, niet rechts, maar dwars over alles heen &#171; Om ter saaist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 07:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Crooked Timber hebben ze, vrij naar het origineel van Tom Lehrer, een liedje gemaakt over dit fenomeen: Oh FrontPage hates the atheists The liberals and the Darwinists The [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[...] Crooked Timber hebben ze, vrij naar het origineel van Tom Lehrer, een liedje gemaakt over dit fenomeen: Oh FrontPage hates the atheists The liberals and the Darwinists The [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Pez</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/10/23/its-islamo-fascism-week/comment-page-1/#comment-214900</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnny Pez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 06:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sino-Arabo-Spanish</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sino-Arabo-Spanish</p>
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		<title>By: Zarquon</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/10/23/its-islamo-fascism-week/comment-page-1/#comment-214897</link>
		<dc:creator>Zarquon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 04:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sino-Spanish</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sino-Spanish</p>
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