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	<title>Comments on: Tintin in America: Advice for Librarians</title>
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		<title>By: GFS3</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/10/29/tintin-in-america-advice-for-librarians/comment-page-1/#comment-216317</link>
		<dc:creator>GFS3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 03:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was, perhaps, one of the greatest Tintin posts ever conceived.

But I must disagree that Tintin isn&#039;t a known entity in the good ole U.S. of A.

Hell, read this:

http://darkpartyreview.blogspot.com/2006/08/5-questions-about-tintin.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This was, perhaps, one of the greatest Tintin posts ever conceived.</p>

	<p>But I must disagree that Tintin isn&#8217;t a known entity in the good ole U.S. of A.</p>

	<p>Hell, read this:</p>

	<p><a href="http://darkpartyreview.blogspot.com/2006/08/5-questions-about-tintin.html" rel="nofollow">http://darkpartyreview.blogspot.com/2006/08/5-questions-about-tintin.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Marko Attila Hoare</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/10/29/tintin-in-america-advice-for-librarians/comment-page-1/#comment-216302</link>
		<dc:creator>Marko Attila Hoare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 00:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just when you think that political correctness can&#039;t get any more petty and ridiculous, it somehow manages it.

If it&#039;s reached the stage where libraries in the US are afraid to stock &#039;Tintin in America&#039; because it might cause offence to PC Nazis, the US might as well declare itself a fascist dictatorship and have done with it.

Whatever next ? PC fundamentalists might start burning copies of Tintin books and issuing death threats to the publishers. There could be riots outside the Belgian embassy and the burning of the Belgian flag in response to this monstrous affront to the PC faith.

I can picture the headlines: &#039;Tintin - the new Salman Rushdie&#039;; &#039;Belgian super-sleuth driven into hiding by fatwa&#039;; &#039;Captain Haddock requests police protection&#039;. 

Who will stand up for freedom of expression ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Just when you think that political correctness can&#8217;t get any more petty and ridiculous, it somehow manages it.</p>

	<p>If it&#8217;s reached the stage where libraries in the US are afraid to stock &#8216;Tintin in America&#8217; because it might cause offence to <span class="caps">PC </span>Nazis, the US might as well declare itself a fascist dictatorship and have done with it.</p>

	<p>Whatever next ? PC fundamentalists might start burning copies of Tintin books and issuing death threats to the publishers. There could be riots outside the Belgian embassy and the burning of the Belgian flag in response to this monstrous affront to the PC faith.</p>

	<p>I can picture the headlines: &#8216;Tintin &#8211; the new Salman Rushdie&#8217;; &#8216;Belgian super-sleuth driven into hiding by fatwa&#8217;; &#8216;Captain Haddock requests police protection&#8217;.</p>

	<p>Who will stand up for freedom of expression ?</p>
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		<title>By: Josh in Philly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh in Philly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 07:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the Jews in the original version of &lt;i&gt;The Shooting Star&lt;/i&gt; or the blacks in &lt;i&gt;The Red Sea Sharks&lt;/i&gt;? Or Hergé&#039;s women? There&#039;s all kinds of icky cultural attitudes in Tintin:  I&#039;m happy to bracket them and enjoy the stories, but YMMV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>What about the Jews in the original version of <i>The Shooting Star</i> or the blacks in <i>The Red Sea Sharks</i>? Or Herg&#233;&#8217;s women? There&#8217;s all kinds of icky cultural attitudes in Tintin:  I&#8217;m happy to bracket them and enjoy the stories, but <span class="caps">YMMV</span>.</p>
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		<title>By: ajay</title>
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		<dc:creator>ajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;General de Gaulle once said “The only competitor I have in the world is Tintin&lt;/i&gt;

which is odd, given that Tintin wasn&#039;t French. (Or at least Herge wasn&#039;t.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>General de Gaulle once said &#8220;The only competitor I have in the world is Tintin</i></p>

	<p>which is odd, given that Tintin wasn&#8217;t French. (Or at least Herge wasn&#8217;t.)</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Wisse</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/10/29/tintin-in-america-advice-for-librarians/comment-page-1/#comment-215968</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Wisse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 08:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always found &lt;i&gt;Tintin in America&lt;/i&gt; to be an effective answer to the charge that Herge was a conscious racist because of &lt;i&gt;Tintin in the Congo&lt;/i&gt;. Both are a mixture of stupid cliches and downright ignorance, with the America volume mixing in Chicago gangsters with wild west adventures and sharp American business practises. These books are so godawful because Herge grew up in a very rightwing, Catholic environment and imbibed all the prejudices of that environment, didn&#039;t do any research and had never come into contact with people of a different background.

It&#039;s a tribute to him that he managed to largely overcome his upbringing, started doing research, got in contact with people of the cultures he was setting Tintin&#039;s adventures in and created a classic of European comics. Much of which is due to his friend, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chang_Chong-jen&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Chang Chong-jen&lt;/a&gt;, whose name you might recognise from certain of Tintin&#039;s adventures...

So yeah, skip the first three Tintin albums because even if you can see past the prejudices, they&#039;re just not very good, only of interest because of what the Tintin series would grow into.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;ve always found <i>Tintin in America</i> to be an effective answer to the charge that Herge was a conscious racist because of <i>Tintin in the Congo</i>. Both are a mixture of stupid cliches and downright ignorance, with the America volume mixing in Chicago gangsters with wild west adventures and sharp American business practises. These books are so godawful because Herge grew up in a very rightwing, Catholic environment and imbibed all the prejudices of that environment, didn&#8217;t do any research and had never come into contact with people of a different background.</p>

	<p>It&#8217;s a tribute to him that he managed to largely overcome his upbringing, started doing research, got in contact with people of the cultures he was setting Tintin&#8217;s adventures in and created a classic of European comics. Much of which is due to his friend, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chang_Chong-jen" rel="nofollow">Chang Chong-jen</a>, whose name you might recognise from certain of Tintin&#8217;s adventures&#8230;</p>

	<p>So yeah, skip the first three Tintin albums because even if you can see past the prejudices, they&#8217;re just not very good, only of interest because of what the Tintin series would grow into.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Higgins</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/10/29/tintin-in-america-advice-for-librarians/comment-page-1/#comment-215935</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Higgins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, some people beat me to the Blue Lotus point...

&lt;i&gt;And I’ve been really good about not pulling the Ann Coulter and Michael Savage books off the shelves, too. Even though I want to.&lt;/i&gt;

Keep them. Just file them under &quot;insane, bigoted garbage&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oh, some people beat me to the Blue Lotus point&#8230;</p>

	<p><i>And I&#8217;ve been really good about not pulling the Ann Coulter and Michael Savage books off the shelves, too. Even though I want to.</i></p>

	<p>Keep them. Just file them under &#8220;insane, bigoted garbage&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Higgins</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/10/29/tintin-in-america-advice-for-librarians/comment-page-1/#comment-215934</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Higgins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a great liberal moment in, I think, &lt;i&gt;Tintin and the Blue Lotus&lt;/i&gt;, when our hero sees a European fat cat cruelly abusing his Chinese rickshaw driver in Shanghai and, enraged, goes and smacks him in the face.

I feel, in some ways, this scene makes up for &lt;i&gt;Tintin au Congo&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>There is a great liberal moment in, I think, <i>Tintin and the Blue Lotus</i>, when our hero sees a European fat cat cruelly abusing his Chinese rickshaw driver in Shanghai and, enraged, goes and smacks him in the face.</p>

	<p>I feel, in some ways, this scene makes up for <i>Tintin au Congo</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: novakant</title>
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		<dc:creator>novakant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anybody remember the title of that wonderful comic book series which featured a Chinese man in traditional garb who was always quoting Confucius? I think he was accompanying some european hero, but my memory is very hazy on this. It&#039;s from around and set in the same period when Herge started out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Does anybody remember the title of that wonderful comic book series which featured a Chinese man in traditional garb who was always quoting Confucius? I think he was accompanying some european hero, but my memory is very hazy on this. It&#8217;s from around and set in the same period when Herge started out.</p>
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		<title>By: BruceR</title>
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		<dc:creator>BruceR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed.</description>
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		<title>By: Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to clarify, I meant up to but not including. If this is incorrect in English, please forgive me and replace &quot;up to The Blue Lotus&quot; by &quot;up to Les Cigares du Pharaon&quot;.

On the general issue, my advice to librarians would be to start the collection at Les Cigares du Pharaon. Starting there, the stories are vastly superior to the previous ones and political controversies are thus mostly averted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Just to clarify, I meant up to but not including. If this is incorrect in English, please forgive me and replace &#8220;up to The Blue Lotus&#8221; by &#8220;up to Les Cigares du Pharaon&#8221;.</p>

	<p>On the general issue, my advice to librarians would be to start the collection at Les Cigares du Pharaon. Starting there, the stories are vastly superior to the previous ones and political controversies are thus mostly averted.</p>
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		<title>By: yabonn</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/10/29/tintin-in-america-advice-for-librarians/comment-page-1/#comment-215898</link>
		<dc:creator>yabonn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t see much fascist undertones in the Lotus - opposition to Japanese militarism, yes.

At the Lotus, Hergé already had evolved, even if his earliest books (Congo, Soviets) are rather nasty.

Iirc Congo is readable, just add a &quot;racism of these times&quot; warning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I didn&#8217;t see much fascist undertones in the Lotus &#8211; opposition to Japanese militarism, yes.</p>

	<p>At the Lotus, Herg&#233; already had evolved, even if his earliest books (Congo, Soviets) are rather nasty.</p>

	<p>Iirc Congo is readable, just add a &#8220;racism of these times&#8221; warning.</p>
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		<title>By: harry b</title>
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		<dc:creator>harry b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>z and anderson,

well, I basically agree with z and doug k about this (and sk, you&#039;re just being silly). I want to emphasize that I was not endorsing any possible complaint against the book, which (and indeed I said that I would buy it myself).

Here&#039;s the problem. The cover represents a pervasive cultural stereotype. Most librarians have no problem with that per se, especially in the context, and want to choose books according to some rough algorithm balancing literary merit with popularity. Despite what Timothy Burke says about it (that is, despite what he says about it being true!) TinA has more literary merit than almost any books that will enter libraries because they are popular as a result of tie-ins etc. So most librarians would be happy to have it in their collections. BUT most librarians have only so many hours in the day, and they know that the presence of that cover will give rise to numerous complaints from other teachers and from parents. Furthermore, not all librarians can read every book in their collection, in order to defend it effectively. People do judge a book by its cover, and the librarian always has to make a judgment about how much time will be wasted by dealing with wrongheaded but predictable complaints. So, I guarantee you that hundreds if not thousands of elementary school librarians will buy this book (after the movie comes out) and then face a dilemma about whether or not to put it on their shelves. I was trying to help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>z and anderson,</p>

	<p>well, I basically agree with z and doug k about this (and sk, you&#8217;re just being silly). I want to emphasize that I was not endorsing any possible complaint against the book, which (and indeed I said that I would buy it myself).</p>

	<p>Here&#8217;s the problem. The cover represents a pervasive cultural stereotype. Most librarians have no problem with that per se, especially in the context, and want to choose books according to some rough algorithm balancing literary merit with popularity. Despite what Timothy Burke says about it (that is, despite what he says about it being true!) TinA has more literary merit than almost any books that will enter libraries because they are popular as a result of tie-ins etc. So most librarians would be happy to have it in their collections. <span class="caps">BUT</span> most librarians have only so many hours in the day, and they know that the presence of that cover will give rise to numerous complaints from other teachers and from parents. Furthermore, not all librarians can read every book in their collection, in order to defend it effectively. People do judge a book by its cover, and the librarian always has to make a judgment about how much time will be wasted by dealing with wrongheaded but predictable complaints. So, I guarantee you that hundreds if not thousands of elementary school librarians will buy this book (after the movie comes out) and then face a dilemma about whether or not to put it on their shelves. I was trying to help.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work in an art School Library and we already have several Tintin books, and will be ordering more soon, hopefully, on the grounds that we have a comics and animation program and these are classics. Like all classics, they come laden with cultural baggage but such is life.

And I&#039;ve been really good about not pulling the Anne Coulter and Michael Savage books off the shelves, too.  Even though I want to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I work in an art School Library and we already have several Tintin books, and will be ordering more soon, hopefully, on the grounds that we have a comics and animation program and these are classics. Like all classics, they come laden with cultural baggage but such is life.</p>

	<p>And I&#8217;ve been really good about not pulling the Anne Coulter and Michael Savage books off the shelves, too.  Even though I want to.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug K</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/10/29/tintin-in-america-advice-for-librarians/comment-page-1/#comment-215855</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read Tintin as a boy in Africa, but didn&#039;t encounter the weird early ones (Congo, Land of the Soviets, America) until my son got them out of the local (Denver) library. 

As z noted, after The Blue Lotus, Tintin is always on the side of the oppressed local and opposed to the colonial authorities, which is an interesting turnabout. In any case, &quot;general extreme-right undertones&quot; are rather a recommendation to a large subset of US society, they&#039;ll sell like hotcakes. 

Also don&#039;t see the problem as stated with T in America: seems to me it depicts all Americans except the Indians as violent buffoons, the Indians are rather sympathetic than not, even if cartoonish. Wait, it is a cartoon !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I read Tintin as a boy in Africa, but didn&#8217;t encounter the weird early ones (Congo, Land of the Soviets, America) until my son got them out of the local (Denver) library.</p>

	<p>As z noted, after The Blue Lotus, Tintin is always on the side of the oppressed local and opposed to the colonial authorities, which is an interesting turnabout. In any case, &#8220;general extreme-right undertones&#8221; are rather a recommendation to a large subset of US society, they&#8217;ll sell like hotcakes.</p>

	<p>Also don&#8217;t see the problem as stated with T in America: seems to me it depicts all Americans except the Indians as violent buffoons, the Indians are rather sympathetic than not, even if cartoonish. Wait, it is a cartoon !</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leichester?  Is that the Indian spelling?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Leichester?  Is that the Indian spelling?</p>
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