Comments on: The end of shmibertarianism http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/01/the-end-of-shmibertarianism/ Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made Sun, 27 May 2012 06:52:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Roderick T. Long http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/01/the-end-of-shmibertarianism/comment-page-2/#comment-217046 Roderick T. Long Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:54:16 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/01/the-end-of-shmibertarianism/#comment-217046 For some reason that 2nd link above didn't work; let's try again: <a href="http://leftlibertarian.org" rel="nofollow">leftlibertarian.org</a>. For some reason that 2nd link above didn’t work; let’s try again: leftlibertarian.org.

]]> By: Roderick T. Long http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/01/the-end-of-shmibertarianism/comment-page-2/#comment-217045 Roderick T. Long Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:52:25 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/01/the-end-of-shmibertarianism/#comment-217045 As mentioned above, there's a left-libertarian strain of thought that's being revived; check out <a href="http://all-left.net" rel="nofollow">all-left.net</a> and <a href="leftlibertarian.org" rel="nofollow">leftlibertarian.org</a>. As mentioned above, there’s a left-libertarian strain of thought that’s being revived; check out all-left.net and leftlibertarian.org.

]]> By: CJColucci http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/01/the-end-of-shmibertarianism/comment-page-2/#comment-216893 CJColucci Mon, 05 Nov 2007 15:32:28 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/01/the-end-of-shmibertarianism/#comment-216893 Seth: Are we off our meds? Seth: Are we off our meds?

]]> By: freshlysqueezedcynic http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/01/the-end-of-shmibertarianism/comment-page-2/#comment-216720 freshlysqueezedcynic Sat, 03 Nov 2007 19:16:37 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/01/the-end-of-shmibertarianism/#comment-216720 <i>While general confusion about libertarianism reigns around here, I hope nobody is so confused as to consider Buchanan and his followers to be libertarians—they’re right-wing authoritarians (nationalist, isolationist, anti-free trade, anti-immigration).</i> I can't speak for dsquared, but I suspect that he means James M. Buchanan and the rest of the public choice theorists, rather than Pat Buchanan and his merry band of nativists. While general confusion about libertarianism reigns around here, I hope nobody is so confused as to consider Buchanan and his followers to be libertarians—they’re right-wing authoritarians (nationalist, isolationist, anti-free trade, anti-immigration).

I can’t speak for dsquared, but I suspect that he means James M. Buchanan and the rest of the public choice theorists, rather than Pat Buchanan and his merry band of nativists.

]]> By: abb1 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/01/the-end-of-shmibertarianism/comment-page-2/#comment-216713 abb1 Sat, 03 Nov 2007 18:27:49 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/01/the-end-of-shmibertarianism/#comment-216713 Ah, this reminds me of this recent Your Letters episode at exile.ru: <blockquote> NINE TEARS Hello Mark! Oh Mark... I like your newspaper and your work, but one or two years ago I red one your artical "Nine years, Nine hours, Nine whores"... I'm sure that you remember this artical. And I can say that this artical frustrated me much then... I remember I thought when I red this artical: Fucking american idiot! Stop do it! Stop fucking our poor women and girl. They are so unhappy and so wrecked!" I remember that I was sick up to vomiting when I red it. If you write on this subject, try to do it not in the way you use...becoz your way is a little disgusting... with respect. Trinity :) <i>Dear Mr. :), Wait a minute, you think the whores were unhappy? What about Ames? What about his feelings? Ames is a human being too you know. Each "poor women" that Ames fucked for that article only wanted his money, and didn't give a wink about his pain, his emotions, or his chronic flaccidity.</i> </blockquote> Ah, this reminds me of this recent Your Letters episode at exile.ru:

NINE TEARS

Hello Mark!

Oh Mark… I like your newspaper and your work, but one or two years ago I red one your artical “Nine years, Nine hours, Nine whores”… I’m sure that you remember this artical. And I can say that this artical frustrated me much then… I remember I thought when I red this artical: Fucking american idiot! Stop do it! Stop fucking our poor women and girl. They are so unhappy and so wrecked!”

I remember that I was sick up to vomiting when I red it. If you write on this subject, try to do it not in the way you use…becoz your way is a little disgusting…

with respect.

Trinity :)

Dear Mr. :), Wait a minute, you think the whores were unhappy? What about Ames? What about his feelings? Ames is a human being too you know. Each “poor women” that Ames fucked for that article only wanted his money, and didn’t give a wink about his pain, his emotions, or his chronic flaccidity.

]]> By: Seth Edenbaum http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/01/the-end-of-shmibertarianism/comment-page-2/#comment-216683 Seth Edenbaum Sat, 03 Nov 2007 14:17:20 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/01/the-end-of-shmibertarianism/#comment-216683 better? She's one of the most beuatiful women I've ever met and very smart. I doubt yor wife could match her either way, after all she married you. I've never paid for sex because the notion of body servants of any kind bothers me, but I have more respect for hookers than for johns. better?
She’s one of the most beuatiful women I’ve ever met and very smart. I doubt yor wife could match her either way, after all she married you.

I’ve never paid for sex because the notion of body servants of any kind bothers me, but I have more respect for hookers than for johns.

]]> By: CJColucci http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/01/the-end-of-shmibertarianism/comment-page-2/#comment-216482 CJColucci Fri, 02 Nov 2007 19:04:36 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/01/the-end-of-shmibertarianism/#comment-216482 Thanks for the tips, seth, but I'm happily married these days, and if that were to change I could now afford better. Thanks for the tips, seth, but I’m happily married these days, and if that were to change I could now afford better.

]]> By: Glenn Reynolds knocks Andrew Sullivan around | jCircadian http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/01/the-end-of-shmibertarianism/comment-page-2/#comment-216465 Glenn Reynolds knocks Andrew Sullivan around | jCircadian Fri, 02 Nov 2007 18:13:35 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/01/the-end-of-shmibertarianism/#comment-216465 [...] me these days, and life is too short to pay attention to them. But now that silliness seems to be spreading. So let me repeat what I said before: “But note that no longer being a member of the [...] [...] me these days, and life is too short to pay attention to them. But now that silliness seems to be spreading. So let me repeat what I said before: “But note that no longer being a member of the [...]

]]> By: Sebastian Holsclaw http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/01/the-end-of-shmibertarianism/comment-page-2/#comment-216438 Sebastian Holsclaw Fri, 02 Nov 2007 17:00:46 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/01/the-end-of-shmibertarianism/#comment-216438 As for 'first fix corruption', despite what you see on television, considering the immense power policemen have in the US they are amazingly non-corrupt. And unfortunately, much of the corruption you see is in being OVERZEALOUS in their prosecution of the drug war (see especially civil forfeitures, which shock me every time I think about it). So the idea that the drug trade would be under control in the United States if only the police would get their act together, is just wrong. As mentioned above, drug crimes tend to be victimless (tend to, please don't read that as 'never have victims'). As such it is tough to use lots of normal crime fighting techniques. As for ‘first fix corruption’, despite what you see on television, considering the immense power policemen have in the US they are amazingly non-corrupt. And unfortunately, much of the corruption you see is in being OVERZEALOUS in their prosecution of the drug war (see especially civil forfeitures, which shock me every time I think about it). So the idea that the drug trade would be under control in the United States if only the police would get their act together, is just wrong.

As mentioned above, drug crimes tend to be victimless (tend to, please don’t read that as ‘never have victims’). As such it is tough to use lots of normal crime fighting techniques.

]]> By: Sebastian Holsclaw http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/01/the-end-of-shmibertarianism/comment-page-2/#comment-216436 Sebastian Holsclaw Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:55:33 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/01/the-end-of-shmibertarianism/#comment-216436 "So an example of the cleansing hand of the market for incompetence and inefficiency are three companies that have continued to sell millions of units, employ hundreds of thousands of people, and make hundreds of billions of dollars despite decades of incompetence, mismanagement and bad reputation for their products?" Not to put too fine a point on it, but I presume you know about the government bailouts and protectionism that get employed almost every time one of them has serious trouble? The US government has historically been unwilling to let the market drive one of the Big 3 automakers into bankruptcy. As a result of GOVERNMENT action, the market doesn't clear. “So an example of the cleansing hand of the market for incompetence and inefficiency are three companies that have continued to sell millions of units, employ hundreds of thousands of people, and make hundreds of billions of dollars despite decades of incompetence, mismanagement and bad reputation for their products?”

Not to put too fine a point on it, but I presume you know about the government bailouts and protectionism that get employed almost every time one of them has serious trouble? The US government has historically been unwilling to let the market drive one of the Big 3 automakers into bankruptcy. As a result of GOVERNMENT action, the market doesn’t clear.

]]> By: Seth Edenbaum http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/01/the-end-of-shmibertarianism/comment-page-2/#comment-216412 Seth Edenbaum Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:14:18 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/01/the-end-of-shmibertarianism/#comment-216412 A friend of mine bargained a girl down to $10 in 1983. East 3rd st. And I have an old girlfriend who was working the exit ramps in the Bronx in '79. And she was a junkie. I could ask her, if you want. A friend of mine bargained a girl down to $10 in 1983. East 3rd st.
And I have an old girlfriend who was working the exit ramps in the Bronx in ‘79. And she was a junkie.
I could ask her, if you want.

]]> By: CJColucci http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/01/the-end-of-shmibertarianism/comment-page-2/#comment-216408 CJColucci Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:01:19 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/01/the-end-of-shmibertarianism/#comment-216408 "It is well-established that the cheapest unit of sex work follows the price of the drug, so in the 80s in NY, blow jobs were $5 a go." Is that right? Then I could have afforded them even as an impoverished law student back then? What wasted opportunities! “It is well-established that the cheapest unit of sex work follows the price of the drug, so in the 80s in NY, blow jobs were $5 a go.”

Is that right? Then I could have afforded them even as an impoverished law student back then? What wasted opportunities!

]]> By: Ron Paul Comment of the Day at The Everlasting Phelps http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/01/the-end-of-shmibertarianism/comment-page-2/#comment-216406 Ron Paul Comment of the Day at The Everlasting Phelps Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:58:11 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/01/the-end-of-shmibertarianism/#comment-216406 [...] From the comments at Crooked Timber’s What this was about is that Ron Paul is small ‘c’ crazy and his rabid net-based supporters seem to be mostly big ‘C’ crazy. Small ‘l’ libertarians want no part of that. [...] [...] From the comments at Crooked Timber’s What this was about is that Ron Paul is small ‘c’ crazy and his rabid net-based supporters seem to be mostly big ‘C’ crazy. Small ‘l’ libertarians want no part of that. [...]

]]> By: david still http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/01/the-end-of-shmibertarianism/comment-page-2/#comment-216386 david still Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:57:23 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/01/the-end-of-shmibertarianism/#comment-216386 Yes, having young women willing to suck you off for $5 so they can get their next hit is the purest and most powerful expression of libertarian economics?? give phone number, please! Yes, having young women willing to suck you off for $5 so they can get their next hit is the purest and most powerful expression of libertarian economics??
give phone number, please!

]]> By: SamChevre http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/01/the-end-of-shmibertarianism/comment-page-2/#comment-216385 SamChevre Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:56:43 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/01/the-end-of-shmibertarianism/#comment-216385 <i>One thing that causes some confusion is that in the central area of the US small organic farmers tend to be gun-loving libertarians who sell much of their crop to ex-hippies.</i> True; that's pretty exactly the demographics of my county. (In addition, of course, there are the small organic farmers who are gun-loving libertarians and not-entirely-ex-hippies.) One thing that causes some confusion is that in the central area of the US small organic farmers tend to be gun-loving libertarians who sell much of their crop to ex-hippies.

True; that’s pretty exactly the demographics of my county. (In addition, of course, there are the small organic farmers who are gun-loving libertarians and not-entirely-ex-hippies.)

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