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		<title>By: DB</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/02/i-find-your-lack-of-faith-disturbing/comment-page-2/#comment-217017</link>
		<dc:creator>DB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 12:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Will Roberts -- no quantification, no boundaries!  World at War, now and forever!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I agree with Will Roberts&#8212;no quantification, no boundaries!  World at War, now and forever!</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua W. Burton</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/02/i-find-your-lack-of-faith-disturbing/comment-page-2/#comment-216922</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua W. Burton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s high time someone quoted Michael Flanders, in his inspired free translation of Georges Brassens:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;War has had its apologians, ever since history began,
From the times of the Greeks and Trojans, when they sang of arms and the man,
But if you ask me to name the best, sir, I&#039;ll tell you the one I mean,
Head and shoulders above the rest, sir, was the War of ’14-’18,
Head and shoulders above the rest, sir, stands the War of ’14-’18.
&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;There were the wars against all those Louis&#039;s, there were Caesar&#039;s wars in Gaul,
The was Britain&#039;s war in Suez, that wasn&#039;t a war at all,
There was the war of the Spanish Succession, many other wars in between,
But they none of them made an impression like the war of ’14-’18,
They didn&#039;t make the same impression as the war of ’14-’18.
&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;The War of American Independence:  that was enjoyable, by and large! --
Watching England&#039;s free descendants busy defeating German Ge&#039;arge,
But the Boer War was a poor war, And I&#039;m still inclined to lean,
Though sir, it possibly isn&#039;t your war towards the war of ’14-’18,
Though it probably isn&#039;t your war, sir, the war of ’14-’18.
&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;There are certainly plenty of wars to choose from, you pick whichever one you please,
Like the one we&#039;ve had all the news from liberating the Vietnamese,
Or those wars for God and Country, be it Korean or Philippine,
Sir, if you&#039;ll pardon my effrontery, give me the war of ’14-’18,
If you&#039;ll pardon my effrontery, sir, the war of ’14-’18,
&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;Every war has it&#039;s own attraction from total war to border raid,
Call it rebellion, police action, war of containment or crusade,
I don&#039;t underrate the late war we see so often on the screen,
But that wasn&#039;t a really great war like the war of ’14-’18,
No, the late war wasn&#039;t the Great War like the war of ’14-’18.
&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;No doubt Mars, among his chattels, has got some really splendid war,
Full of bigger and bloodier battles that we&#039;ve ever enjoyed before,
But until the time occurs, sir, when that greater war comes on the scene,
The one that I on the whole prefer, sir, is the war ’14-’18,
Yes, the one that I still prefer, sir, is the war of ’14-’18.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It&#8217;s high time someone quoted Michael Flanders, in his inspired free translation of Georges Brassens:</p>

	<p><blockquote><i>War has had its apologians, ever since history began,<br />
From the times of the Greeks and Trojans, when they sang of arms and the man,<br />
But if you ask me to name the best, sir, I&#8217;ll tell you the one I mean,<br />
Head and shoulders above the rest, sir, was the War of &#8217;14-&#8217;18,<br />
Head and shoulders above the rest, sir, stands the War of &#8217;14-&#8217;18.<br />
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	<p><i>There were the wars against all those Louis&#8217;s, there were Caesar&#8217;s wars in Gaul,<br />
The was Britain&#8217;s war in Suez, that wasn&#8217;t a war at all,<br />
There was the war of the Spanish Succession, many other wars in between,<br />
But they none of them made an impression like the war of &#8217;14-&#8217;18,<br />
They didn&#8217;t make the same impression as the war of &#8217;14-&#8217;18.<br />
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	<p><i>The War of American Independence:  that was enjoyable, by and large!&#8212;Watching England&#8217;s free descendants busy defeating German Ge&#8217;arge,<br />
But the Boer War was a poor war, And I&#8217;m still inclined to lean,<br />
Though sir, it possibly isn&#8217;t your war towards the war of &#8217;14-&#8217;18,<br />
Though it probably isn&#8217;t your war, sir, the war of &#8217;14-&#8217;18.<br />
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	<p><i>There are certainly plenty of wars to choose from, you pick whichever one you please,<br />
Like the one we&#8217;ve had all the news from liberating the Vietnamese,<br />
Or those wars for God and Country, be it Korean or Philippine,<br />
Sir, if you&#8217;ll pardon my effrontery, give me the war of &#8217;14-&#8217;18,<br />
If you&#8217;ll pardon my effrontery, sir, the war of &#8217;14-&#8217;18,<br />
</i></p>

	<p><i>Every war has it&#8217;s own attraction from total war to border raid,<br />
Call it rebellion, police action, war of containment or crusade,<br />
I don&#8217;t underrate the late war we see so often on the screen,<br />
But that wasn&#8217;t a really great war like the war of &#8217;14-&#8217;18,<br />
No, the late war wasn&#8217;t the Great War like the war of &#8217;14-&#8217;18.<br />
</i></p>

	<p><i>No doubt Mars, among his chattels, has got some really splendid war,<br />
Full of bigger and bloodier battles that we&#8217;ve ever enjoyed before,<br />
But until the time occurs, sir, when that greater war comes on the scene,<br />
The one that I on the whole prefer, sir, is the war &#8217;14-&#8217;18,<br />
Yes, the one that I still prefer, sir, is the war of &#8217;14-&#8217;18.<br />
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		<title>By: bi</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/02/i-find-your-lack-of-faith-disturbing/comment-page-2/#comment-216855</link>
		<dc:creator>bi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 07:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will Roberts:

&quot;World War I forever! It has always been WW I. It will always be WW I.&quot;

Then the &quot;I&quot; will be pretty redundant, and we should just call it _The_ World War.

And of course it&#039;s not just the &quot;Islamofascists&quot;, it&#039;s _The_ Fascists, which will be an amalgamation of, well, just about everything that&#039;s not Republican.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Will Roberts:</p>

	<p>&#8220;World War I forever! It has always been <span class="caps">WW I</span>. It will always be <span class="caps">WW I</span>.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Then the &#8220;I&#8221; will be pretty redundant, and we should just call it <em>The</em> World War.</p>

	<p>And of course it&#8217;s not just the &#8220;Islamofascists&#8221;, it&#8217;s <em>The</em> Fascists, which will be an amalgamation of, well, just about everything that&#8217;s not Republican.</p>
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		<title>By: JakeB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JakeB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 06:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>contra John, I say there will be no true world war until the penguins take up arms against their oppressors!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>contra John, I say there will be no true world war until the penguins take up arms against their oppressors!</p>
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		<title>By: scott</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/02/i-find-your-lack-of-faith-disturbing/comment-page-2/#comment-216724</link>
		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 20:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>quote &quot;Can anyone recall when the US had to deal with the Red Brigades?&quot;

see wikipedia Red Brigades

Kidnapping of Brigadier General Dozier

On December 17, 1981, four members of the Red Brigades, posing as plumbers, invaded the Verona apartment of US Army Brigadier General James Lee Dozier, then NATO Deputy Chief of Staff at Southern European land forces. The men kidnapped General Dozier and left his wife bound and chained in their apartment. [2] He was held for 42 days until January 28, 1982, when an Italian anti-terrorist team rescued him from an apartment in Padua. Dozier was the first American general to be kidnapped by terrorists and the first foreigner kidnapped by the Red Brigades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>quote &#8220;Can anyone recall when the US had to deal with the Red Brigades?&#8221;</p>

	<p>see wikipedia Red Brigades</p>

	<p>Kidnapping of Brigadier General Dozier</p>

	<p>On December 17, 1981, four members of the Red Brigades, posing as plumbers, invaded the Verona apartment of <span class="caps">US </span>Army Brigadier General James Lee Dozier, then <span class="caps">NATO </span>Deputy Chief of Staff at Southern European land forces. The men kidnapped General Dozier and left his wife bound and chained in their apartment. [2] He was held for 42 days until January 28, 1982, when an Italian anti-terrorist team rescued him from an apartment in Padua. Dozier was the first American general to be kidnapped by terrorists and the first foreigner kidnapped by the Red Brigades.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Roberts</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/02/i-find-your-lack-of-faith-disturbing/comment-page-2/#comment-216668</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 11:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Mark @ 42:

I&#039;m from out West, and we&#039;ve numbered our Interstate exits by mileage for as long as I can remember. I&#039;d never seen the purely sequential system--which is truly irrational--until I moved to PA in 1999. So don&#039;t tar us all with your elitist Eastern ways! 

I propose calling everything east of the Alleghenies the Old United States.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>John Mark @ 42:</p>

	<p>I&#8217;m from out West, and we&#8217;ve numbered our Interstate exits by mileage for as long as I can remember. I&#8217;d never seen the purely sequential system&#8212;which is truly irrational&#8212;until I moved to PA in 1999. So don&#8217;t tar us all with your elitist Eastern ways!</p>

	<p>I propose calling everything east of the Alleghenies the Old United States.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Roberts</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/02/i-find-your-lack-of-faith-disturbing/comment-page-2/#comment-216665</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 10:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>World War I forever! It has always been WW I. It will always be WW I. Freedom versus the enemies of freedom. The Islamofascists staged the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand. We have always been at war with the Islamofascists!

(I&#039;m actually a bit surprised that Max Boot, of all people, has forgotten this.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>World War I forever! It has always been <span class="caps">WW I</span>. It will always be <span class="caps">WW I</span>. Freedom versus the enemies of freedom. The Islamofascists staged the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand. We have always been at war with the Islamofascists!</p>

	<p>(I&#8217;m actually a bit surprised that Max Boot, of all people, has forgotten this.)</p>
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		<title>By: The Constructivist</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Constructivist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 08:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly Boot is right that the 7 Years&#039; War or French and Indian War or whatever it&#039;s been called needs to be rebranded.  I guess &quot;World War&quot; is as good as any, given it was an almost-global military showdown between the world&#039;s superpowers England and France (cf. &lt;i&gt;A Nation Among Nations&lt;/i&gt; for the serious version of this argument).  But by this standard the Cold War was not a World War, or was a Cold World War.  So obviously we need Paris Hilton here:  you use hotness to label the wars.  I know this introduces Fahrenheit/Celsius differences into naming conventions, but isn&#039;t it that kind of diversity that makes the world go round?  Plus, imagine the arguments over assigning temperature values.

Trying to open a door for the scientists to join the fun here b/c for the life of me I couldn&#039;t figure out a Worlds of Warcraft joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Clearly Boot is right that the 7 Years&#8217; War or French and Indian War or whatever it&#8217;s been called needs to be rebranded.  I guess &#8220;World War&#8221; is as good as any, given it was an almost-global military showdown between the world&#8217;s superpowers England and France (cf. <i>A Nation Among Nations</i> for the serious version of this argument).  But by this standard the Cold War was not a World War, or was a Cold World War.  So obviously we need Paris Hilton here:  you use hotness to label the wars.  I know this introduces Fahrenheit/Celsius differences into naming conventions, but isn&#8217;t it that kind of diversity that makes the world go round?  Plus, imagine the arguments over assigning temperature values.</p>

	<p>Trying to open a door for the scientists to join the fun here b/c for the life of me I couldn&#8217;t figure out a Worlds of Warcraft joke.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon H</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/02/i-find-your-lack-of-faith-disturbing/comment-page-1/#comment-216650</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 07:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone remind me, which world war did Cliff enlist and fight in?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Someone remind me, which world war did Cliff enlist and fight in?</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/02/i-find-your-lack-of-faith-disturbing/comment-page-1/#comment-216648</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 07:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>\war{World War Three}
\subwar{Domestic Front War}
\subsubwar{The Democrats}
\subsubsubwar{The savagery of left-wing blog snark}</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>war{World War Three}<br />
subwar{Domestic Front War}<br />
subsubwar{The Democrats}<br />
subsubsubwar{The savagery of left-wing blog snark}</p>
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		<title>By: Jon H</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/02/i-find-your-lack-of-faith-disturbing/comment-page-1/#comment-216642</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 06:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WW1: Old Ones vs. the Deep Ones</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span class="caps">WW1</span>: Old Ones vs. the Deep Ones</p>
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		<title>By: nick s</title>
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		<dc:creator>nick s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 05:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boor&#039;s just pissy because none of the actual World Wars involved bits of the mainland US being blown to bits, a phenomenon that would really show people... something.

(before posting: typo uncorrected.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Boor&#8217;s just pissy because none of the actual World Wars involved bits of the mainland US being blown to bits, a phenomenon that would really show people&#8230; something.</p>

	<p>(before posting: typo uncorrected.)</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Baugh</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/02/i-find-your-lack-of-faith-disturbing/comment-page-1/#comment-216601</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Baugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 01:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_IV:_A_New_Hope&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wikipedia article&lt;/a&gt; on Star Wars confirms my recollection, that in 1977 it was just &quot;Star Wars&quot;. The Episode IV title was added for the 1981 release - and as Wikipedia notes, throughout the late &#039;70s and early &#039;80s the talk of additional movies included possibilities for 9 and even 12 total, with 9 being the most common figure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_IV:_A_New_Hope" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia article</a> on Star Wars confirms my recollection, that in 1977 it was just &#8220;Star Wars&#8221;. The Episode IV title was added for the 1981 release &#8211; and as Wikipedia notes, throughout the late &#8216;70s and early &#8216;80s the talk of additional movies included possibilities for 9 and even 12 total, with 9 being the most common figure.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan S.</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/02/i-find-your-lack-of-faith-disturbing/comment-page-1/#comment-216599</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 00:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#36 WW 0.5: The endosymbiontist insurgency - establishment of mitochondrial/chloroplast sleeper cells . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>#36 <span class="caps">WW 0</span>.5: The endosymbiontist insurgency &#8211; establishment of mitochondrial/chloroplast sleeper cells . . .</p>
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		<title>By: John Mark Ockerbloom</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/02/i-find-your-lack-of-faith-disturbing/comment-page-1/#comment-216594</link>
		<dc:creator>John Mark Ockerbloom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 00:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Highway exits in the US used to be mostly in numeric sequence (first exit is 1, second is 2, etc.) but more recently most have been renumbered for mileage (so if the first exit is 5 miles from the start of the road, it&#039;s 5, if the second is 13 miles from the start, it&#039;s 13. etc.)

One of the reasons for doing this is that it makes it easy to add new exits without having to renumber the ones around it.

This scheme has obvious attractions for revisionist historians, who can thus insert wars where they like without messing up the numbering.  Think the Spanish American War should be considered world-class?  Presto!  World War 1898!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Highway exits in the US used to be mostly in numeric sequence (first exit is 1, second is 2, etc.) but more recently most have been renumbered for mileage (so if the first exit is 5 miles from the start of the road, it&#8217;s 5, if the second is 13 miles from the start, it&#8217;s 13. etc.)</p>

	<p>One of the reasons for doing this is that it makes it easy to add new exits without having to renumber the ones around it.</p>

	<p>This scheme has obvious attractions for revisionist historians, who can thus insert wars where they like without messing up the numbering.  Think the Spanish American War should be considered world-class?  Presto!  World War 1898!</p>
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