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		<title>By: Blue-assed fly</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/21/by-their-fruits-shall-ye-know-them/comment-page-2/#comment-218988</link>
		<dc:creator>Blue-assed fly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It should be noted that the author of all the anti-homosexual articles on Conservapedia has himself manipulated page views. Either by boosting his own pet pages from quite a low base or by abusing his power as an administrator to delete and recreate other pages that had higher page counts, in order to reset their page view count and remove them from the top ten popular pages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It should be noted that the author of all the anti-homosexual articles on Conservapedia has himself manipulated page views. Either by boosting his own pet pages from quite a low base or by abusing his power as an administrator to delete and recreate other pages that had higher page counts, in order to reset their page view count and remove them from the top ten popular pages.</p>
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		<title>By: Rubber Toe</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/21/by-their-fruits-shall-ye-know-them/comment-page-2/#comment-218936</link>
		<dc:creator>Rubber Toe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 02:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Honestly, I’m having a hard time with the notion that this site is for real. The sheer range and scope of its stupidity, not to mention its sheer volume…if this is satire, it is overdone. And if this is not satire, then, yes, this calls for a remapping of my mental/moral universe.&quot;

Be frightened.  Be very frightened.  I personally know born agains that are this stupid.  Yes it is very disturbing.  Those people are much more dangerous than they&#039;re currently getting credit for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Honestly, I&#8217;m having a hard time with the notion that this site is for real. The sheer range and scope of its stupidity, not to mention its sheer volume&#8230;if this is satire, it is overdone. And if this is not satire, then, yes, this calls for a remapping of my mental/moral universe.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Be frightened.  Be very frightened.  I personally know born agains that are this stupid.  Yes it is very disturbing.  Those people are much more dangerous than they&#8217;re currently getting credit for.</p>
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		<title>By: Glen Tomkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glen Tomkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 01:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why the interest in these topics?

It&#039;s simple.  Most people who use Conservapedia have parent-controlled blocking software that keeps them from visiting gay sites, and in most cases, any sites but Conservapedia or worse.  So the only way they can find out about those confusing urges they&#039;ve been having is by reading relevant Conservapedia entries.  In short, we&#039;re talking about the future Ted Haggards and Larry Craigs of America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Why the interest in these topics?</p>

	<p>It&#8217;s simple.  Most people who use Conservapedia have parent-controlled blocking software that keeps them from visiting gay sites, and in most cases, any sites but Conservapedia or worse.  So the only way they can find out about those confusing urges they&#8217;ve been having is by reading relevant Conservapedia entries.  In short, we&#8217;re talking about the future Ted Haggards and Larry Craigs of America.</p>
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		<title>By: Quick Thanksgiving linkdump &#124; Five Before Chaos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quick Thanksgiving linkdump &#124; Five Before Chaos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 00:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] said it before&#8230; fundies think about gay sex more than gay people do.  Top ten most-viewed on Conservapedia? Well, tow of &#8216;em are &#8220;gay bowel syndrome&#8221; and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[...] said it before&#8230; fundies think about gay sex more than gay people do.&#160; Top ten most-viewed on Conservapedia? Well, tow of &#8216;em are &#8220;gay bowel syndrome&#8221; and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: orion</title>
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		<dc:creator>orion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 22:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This isn&#039;t satire. This posting on stats has been making the rounds for a while. I&#039;m only surprised that the slowpokes at Conservapedia haven&#039;t themselves altered their stats to be more realistic. I guarantee you they are kicking themselves now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This isn&#8217;t satire. This posting on stats has been making the rounds for a while. I&#8217;m only surprised that the slowpokes at Conservapedia haven&#8217;t themselves altered their stats to be more realistic. I guarantee you they are kicking themselves now.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Bye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Bye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 21:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This site will put the satirists out of business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This site will put the satirists out of business.</p>
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		<title>By: Ferruge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ferruge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 19:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Thats even odder than the regular creationists.&lt;/i&gt;

And yet, the same creationist logic, such as it is, can probably be made to fit that thesis equally well.

As far as Conserva - Conservo - oh hell, I can&#039;t even say the word, the whole idea of it being so mind-bogglingly stupid - goes, I&#039;ve not even worked up the courage, or rather, the depravity, to see what is actually on the site. There&#039;s only so much head-slapping and sinus-rubbing I can endure in a day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Thats even odder than the regular creationists.</i></p>

	<p>And yet, the same creationist logic, such as it is, can probably be made to fit that thesis equally well.</p>

	<p>As far as Conserva &#8211; Conservo &#8211; oh hell, I can&#8217;t even say the word, the whole idea of it being so mind-bogglingly stupid &#8211; goes, I&#8217;ve not even worked up the courage, or rather, the depravity, to see what is actually on the site. There&#8217;s only so much head-slapping and sinus-rubbing I can endure in a day.</p>
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		<title>By: stuart</title>
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		<dc:creator>stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 10:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;“fundamentalist 6000-day earth Christian.”&lt;/i&gt;

So they believe the earth was created when I was 17. Thats even odder than the regular creationists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>&#8220;fundamentalist 6000-day earth Christian.&#8221;</i></p>

	<p>So they believe the earth was created when I was 17. Thats even odder than the regular creationists.</p>
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		<title>By: Lewis N. Clark</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/21/by-their-fruits-shall-ye-know-them/comment-page-2/#comment-218870</link>
		<dc:creator>Lewis N. Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 09:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The German spelling (of this German name) is Habsburg.

BTW the ranking Habsburg just turned 95 Tuesday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The German spelling (of this German name) is Habsburg.</p>

	<p><span class="caps">BTW</span> the ranking Habsburg just turned 95 Tuesday.</p>
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		<title>By: Lewis N. Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lewis N. Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 09:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The German spelling (of this German name) is Habsburg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The German spelling (of this German name) is Habsburg.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 04:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary Catherine, many people had your reaction when they first saw the site.  Unfortunately it is all too real.  There are some real fruitcakes in Jesusland.

&quot;The sheer range and scope of its stupidity, not to mention its sheer volume…&quot;

You can find insane and stupid and shrill examples of seemingly respected conservative thought all over the Internet. 

Examples: See Stephen Den Beste, now just reviewing semi-porn anime while swearing he is not watching the dirty parts, getting posted at the Wall Street Journal Online.  

A DC right wing think tank having one of its opinion writers seriously promoting that Bush should exterminate Iraq and replace everyone with American citizens to transform the Middle-East and BTW, get rid of that whole democracy thing, the mob is often wrong.

Did you see the top 5 most illuminating right-wing posts contest at the Washington Monthly online?

The more you know the more you worry about the derangement of the right.

BTW, I don&#039;t really think this is a spider issue, these people are freaks.  I am reminded of the California preacher who is promoted as an expert on Christian TV that &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; acceptance of gays must be constantly fought.  The reason - if that lifestyle ever became acceptable &lt;i&gt;most men would quit reproducing and having sex with females&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Mary Catherine, many people had your reaction when they first saw the site.  Unfortunately it is all too real.  There are some real fruitcakes in Jesusland.</p>

	<p>&#8220;The sheer range and scope of its stupidity, not to mention its sheer volume&#8230;&#8221;</p>

	<p>You can find insane and stupid and shrill examples of seemingly respected conservative thought all over the Internet.</p>

	<p>Examples: See Stephen Den Beste, now just reviewing semi-porn anime while swearing he is not watching the dirty parts, getting posted at the Wall Street Journal Online.</p>

	<p><span class="caps">A DC</span> right wing think tank having one of its opinion writers seriously promoting that Bush should exterminate Iraq and replace everyone with American citizens to transform the Middle-East and <span class="caps">BTW</span>, get rid of that whole democracy thing, the mob is often wrong.</p>

	<p>Did you see the top 5 most illuminating right-wing posts contest at the Washington Monthly online?</p>

	<p>The more you know the more you worry about the derangement of the right.</p>

	<p><span class="caps">BTW</span>, I don&#8217;t really think this is a spider issue, these people are freaks.  I am reminded of the California preacher who is promoted as an expert on Christian TV that <i>any</i> acceptance of gays must be constantly fought.  The reason &#8211; if that lifestyle ever became acceptable <i>most men would quit reproducing and having sex with females</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Bad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 02:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, it&#039;s real.  It is what it says: a site designed by a Schaffly son whose perspective is that &quot;conservative&quot; means &quot;fundamentalist 6000-day earth Christian.&quot;  

I note that &quot;Gay Bowel Syndrome&quot; has shot up in the ratings recently.  

AWESOME.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Again, it&#8217;s real.  It is what it says: a site designed by a Schaffly son whose perspective is that &#8220;conservative&#8221; means &#8220;fundamentalist 6000-day earth Christian.&#8221;</p>

	<p>I note that &#8220;Gay Bowel Syndrome&#8221; has shot up in the ratings recently.</p>

	<p><span class="caps">AWESOME</span>.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Catherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Catherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 02:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Look up “Division of labor” on Wikipedia and it automatically converts to the British spelling “Division of labour,” then insists on the British spelling for “specialization” also.&lt;/em&gt;

Why do they hate Adam Smith?

Honestly, I&#039;m having a hard time with the notion that this site is for real.  The sheer range and scope of its stupidity, not to mention its sheer volume...if this is satire, it is overdone.  And if this is &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; satire, then, yes, this calls for a remapping of my mental/moral universe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><em>Look up &#8220;Division of labor&#8221; on Wikipedia and it automatically converts to the British spelling &#8220;Division of labour,&#8221; then insists on the British spelling for &#8220;specialization&#8221; also.</em></p>

	<p>Why do they hate Adam Smith?</p>

	<p>Honestly, I&#8217;m having a hard time with the notion that this site is for real.  The sheer range and scope of its stupidity, not to mention its sheer volume&#8230;if this is satire, it is overdone.  And if this is <em>not</em> satire, then, yes, this calls for a remapping of my mental/moral universe.</p>
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		<title>By: perianwyr</title>
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		<dc:creator>perianwyr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 00:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can assure you that none of my contributions to Conservapedia are real, but they are all intentionally insane. There must be others like me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I can assure you that none of my contributions to Conservapedia are real, but they are all intentionally insane. There must be others like me.</p>
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		<title>By: Down and Out of Sài Gòn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Down and Out of Sài Gòn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 00:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s been worse. Conservapedians used to interpret &lt;a href=&quot;http://camba.ucsd.edu/bakovic/blog/index.php/liberal-bias-is-so-un-american/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;British spellings on Wikipedia as examples of bias&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;i&gt;Wikipedia often uses foreign spelling [sic] of words, even though most English-speaking users are American. Look up “Most Favored Nation” on Wikipedia and it automatically converts the spelling to the British spelling “Most Favoured Nation.” Look up “Division of labor” on Wikipedia and it automatically converts to the British spelling “Division of labour,” then insists on the British spelling for “specialization” also. Enter “Hapsburg” (the European ruling family) and Wikipedia automatically changes the spelling to Habsburg, even though the American spelling has always been “Hapsburg”. Within entries British spellings appear in the silliest of places, even when the topic is American. Conservapedia favors American spellings of words.&lt;/i&gt;

This snippet is not present in the latest version of their &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.conservapedia.com/Examples_of_Bias_in_Wikipedia&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Examples of bias&lt;/a&gt;. Never the less, the parochialism of the site is quite depressing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It&#8217;s been worse. Conservapedians used to interpret <a href="http://camba.ucsd.edu/bakovic/blog/index.php/liberal-bias-is-so-un-american/" rel="nofollow">British spellings on Wikipedia as examples of bias</a>:</p>

	<p><i>Wikipedia often uses foreign spelling [sic] of words, even though most English-speaking users are American. Look up &#8220;Most Favored Nation&#8221; on Wikipedia and it automatically converts the spelling to the British spelling &#8220;Most Favoured Nation.&#8221; Look up &#8220;Division of labor&#8221; on Wikipedia and it automatically converts to the British spelling &#8220;Division of labour,&#8221; then insists on the British spelling for &#8220;specialization&#8221; also. Enter &#8220;Hapsburg&#8221; (the European ruling family) and Wikipedia automatically changes the spelling to Habsburg, even though the American spelling has always been &#8220;Hapsburg&#8221;. Within entries British spellings appear in the silliest of places, even when the topic is American. Conservapedia favors American spellings of words.</i></p>

	<p>This snippet is not present in the latest version of their <a href="http://www.conservapedia.com/Examples_of_Bias_in_Wikipedia" rel="nofollow">Examples of bias</a>. Never the less, the parochialism of the site is quite depressing.</p>
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