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		<title>By: harold</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/21/more-outsourcing/comment-page-1/#comment-219047</link>
		<dc:creator>harold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Wikipedia article confirms that Lenin never used the term &quot;useful idiots&quot; and that it first turned up 1948 in attacks on liberals by Trotskites who felt that those liberal were  unwittingly supporters of Stalin and his methods.

OOM confirms this when he says he first understood  the term  *a decade or so ago* by Trotskyites in Paris.

Notice that neither OOM nor wikipedia can cite a  written instance of its use.  

The belief in liberals as &quot;useful idiots&quot; (i.e., dupes of a totalitarian conspiracy) and in &quot;white supremacy&quot; and &quot;the races of mankind&quot; are all  useful myths in the support of a agenda that has lost sight of its goals while redoubling its fanaticism. I am speaking of the paid, professional cultural cold warriors (undercover and not) who went after liberal and New Dealers from the early fifties on, and their various Neocon offspring and hangers on and who until 9/11 found themselves threatened with unemployment.

Incidentally, someone speculated that this issue of &quot;racial&quot; inferiority of the darker races is being raised now in an attempt to sabotage Obama&#039;s campaign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The Wikipedia article confirms that Lenin never used the term &#8220;useful idiots&#8221; and that it first turned up 1948 in attacks on liberals by Trotskites who felt that those liberal were  unwittingly supporters of Stalin and his methods.</p>

	<p><span class="caps">OOM</span> confirms this when he says he first understood  the term  <strong>a decade or so ago</strong> by Trotskyites in Paris.</p>

	<p>Notice that neither <span class="caps">OOM</span> nor wikipedia can cite a  written instance of its use.</p>

	<p>The belief in liberals as &#8220;useful idiots&#8221; (i.e., dupes of a totalitarian conspiracy) and in &#8220;white supremacy&#8221; and &#8220;the races of mankind&#8221; are all  useful myths in the support of a agenda that has lost sight of its goals while redoubling its fanaticism. I am speaking of the paid, professional cultural cold warriors (undercover and not) who went after liberal and New Dealers from the early fifties on, and their various Neocon offspring and hangers on and who until 9/11 found themselves threatened with unemployment.</p>

	<p>Incidentally, someone speculated that this issue of &#8220;racial&#8221; inferiority of the darker races is being raised now in an attempt to sabotage Obama&#8217;s campaign.</p>
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		<title>By: ajay</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/21/more-outsourcing/comment-page-1/#comment-218987</link>
		<dc:creator>ajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I had travelled extensively in EEurope before and after the Wall came down, yet they insisted that was a workers’ paradise.&lt;/i&gt;

Good point. No region that had o.o.m. travelling &quot;extensively&quot; around it could possibly be considered a paradise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I had travelled extensively in EEurope before and after the Wall came down, yet they insisted that was a workers&#8217; paradise.</i></p>

	<p>Good point. No region that had o.o.m. travelling &#8220;extensively&#8221; around it could possibly be considered a paradise.</p>
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		<title>By: bad Jim</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/21/more-outsourcing/comment-page-1/#comment-218968</link>
		<dc:creator>bad Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 08:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And since when is “sexual restraint” a sign of intelligence? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Huh. I remember learning in college that the Irish were the only group known to have limited their population growth by means of abstinence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><blockquote>And since when is &#8220;sexual restraint&#8221; a sign of intelligence? </blockquote></p>

	<p>Huh. I remember learning in college that the Irish were the only group known to have limited their population growth by means of abstinence.</p>
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		<title>By: Order of Magnitude</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/21/more-outsourcing/comment-page-1/#comment-218916</link>
		<dc:creator>Order of Magnitude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 19:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>abb1 #28: Le néant, mon cher, le néant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>abb1 #28: Le n&#233;ant, mon cher, le n&#233;ant.</p>
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		<title>By: frank</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/21/more-outsourcing/comment-page-1/#comment-218914</link>
		<dc:creator>frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 19:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this recent little piece that, evidently, originated the big three-part piece in question:

If Mr Saletan continues to stick his nose in this trough,  he&#039;ll be sure to come across something unflattering: 

http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/its_whats_happening_now_baby/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>this recent little piece that, evidently, originated the big three-part piece in question:</p>

	<p>If Mr Saletan continues to stick his nose in this trough,  he&#8217;ll be sure to come across something unflattering:</p>

	<p><a href="http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/its_whats_happening_now_baby/" rel="nofollow">http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/its_whats_happening_now_baby/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/21/more-outsourcing/comment-page-1/#comment-218910</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 19:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sweet o.o.m.: it makes a joke less funny to have to explain it, so, shoot. 

abb1, good one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>sweet o.o.m.: it makes a joke less funny to have to explain it, so, shoot.</p>

	<p>abb1, good one.</p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
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		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 18:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dammit, what will I worship now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Dammit, what will I worship now?</p>
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		<title>By: Order of Magnitude</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/21/more-outsourcing/comment-page-1/#comment-218905</link>
		<dc:creator>Order of Magnitude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 18:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>abb1: &quot;That’s a beautiful turn of a phrase, I must say.&quot;
Beautiful or not, therein lies the empiric proof that the marxist &quot;ideas&quot; you worship are nothing but crap.  Common sense, alas, eludes (most) marxists, who prefer instead to think EE and the Soviet Union never happened. 

lemuel pitkin:  I am not.

Moff, having to live with such a rotten temperament is all the punishment you need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>abb1: &#8220;That&#8217;s a beautiful turn of a phrase, I must say.&#8221;<br />
Beautiful or not, therein lies the empiric proof that the marxist &#8220;ideas&#8221; you worship are nothing but crap.  Common sense, alas, eludes (most) marxists, who prefer instead to think EE and the Soviet Union never happened.</p>

	<p>lemuel pitkin:  I am not.</p>

	<p>Moff, having to live with such a rotten temperament is all the punishment you need.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Baugh</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/21/more-outsourcing/comment-page-1/#comment-218902</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Baugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 17:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grand Moff, I should take this moment to note that the last paragraph of your #1 comment reduced me to howls of laughter, and had me passing the URL around to a lot of friends. I&#039;ve long thought that it&#039;s important to deny the pretense of respect to some kinds of crap, but seldom seen it done so vigorously well. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Grand Moff, I should take this moment to note that the last paragraph of your #1 comment reduced me to howls of laughter, and had me passing the <span class="caps">URL</span> around to a lot of friends. I&#8217;ve long thought that it&#8217;s important to deny the pretense of respect to some kinds of crap, but seldom seen it done so vigorously well. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Grand Moff Texan</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/21/more-outsourcing/comment-page-1/#comment-218899</link>
		<dc:creator>Grand Moff Texan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 16:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;grand moff: Your post speaks of distress.&lt;/i&gt; 

By using the word &quot;amusing,&quot; yes.  The straw man is very distressed.  

Your writing is a witness to your inferiority. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>grand moff: Your post speaks of distress.</i></p>

	<p>By using the word &#8220;amusing,&#8221; yes.  The straw man is very distressed.</p>

	<p>Your writing is a witness to your inferiority.<br />
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		<title>By: Bruce Baugh</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/21/more-outsourcing/comment-page-1/#comment-218897</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Baugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 16:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim W @ 20: In practice, defenders of intelligence-justified racism treat g as a unitary thing, as discrete as the rate at which your heart pumps blood, the volume of your lungs, or your shoe size. g is the thing that makes them as white people superior to lesser breeds and as gentry superior to lower classes. Since they&#039;re aware that some fig leaf of justification for claims of superiority is usually in order these days, it&#039;s important to them that their chosen leaf be as objective-seeming and clear-cut as possible.

This is very different from looking at how different sets of factors that contribute in some way to intelligence affect and are affected by environment, heredity, development, and so on. I&#039;m reminded of discussions about measuring inflation, actually. The various measures all have at least some arbitrariness in them, based on which costs they choose to include the index. What the racists are doing with g is like someone taking a particular set of goods to measure, declaring that it&#039;s the only real measure of inflation, that this set is fundamentally all one and can&#039;t be usefully divided, and that no other set measures a real thing in the way that their Real Inflation Number does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Jim W @ 20: In practice, defenders of intelligence-justified racism treat g as a unitary thing, as discrete as the rate at which your heart pumps blood, the volume of your lungs, or your shoe size. g is the thing that makes them as white people superior to lesser breeds and as gentry superior to lower classes. Since they&#8217;re aware that some fig leaf of justification for claims of superiority is usually in order these days, it&#8217;s important to them that their chosen leaf be as objective-seeming and clear-cut as possible.</p>

	<p>This is very different from looking at how different sets of factors that contribute in some way to intelligence affect and are affected by environment, heredity, development, and so on. I&#8217;m reminded of discussions about measuring inflation, actually. The various measures all have at least some arbitrariness in them, based on which costs they choose to include the index. What the racists are doing with g is like someone taking a particular set of goods to measure, declaring that it&#8217;s the only real measure of inflation, that this set is fundamentally all one and can&#8217;t be usefully divided, and that no other set measures a real thing in the way that their Real Inflation Number does.</p>
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		<title>By: 4jkb4ia</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/21/more-outsourcing/comment-page-1/#comment-218896</link>
		<dc:creator>4jkb4ia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 16:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a MS in Computer Science. Really, I do. I am ashamed at the incoherence of the last post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I have a MS in Computer Science. Really, I do. I am ashamed at the incoherence of the last post.</p>
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		<title>By: 4jkb4ia</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/21/more-outsourcing/comment-page-1/#comment-218895</link>
		<dc:creator>4jkb4ia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 16:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought that this business about race and intelligence affects the idea of &quot;superior&quot; and &quot;inferior&quot; races BECAUSE Americans give too much credit to where you started. It is a truism that Americans give credit to success in school to being smart while Asians give credit to working hard. A recruiter coming to my university said that even if you have only non-work-related experience to put on your resume, everyone has achievements: put those. This relates to Ross Douthat&#039;s post. If we had an IQ test that measured intelligence beyond the shadow of a doubt, we still would not have something that measured &lt;i&gt;merit&lt;/i&gt;: the willingness to use the intelligence and ability to work hard for the good. If merit is defined in this way I am not sure it is measurable. But there are people who want to believe that achievement is simply a function of intelligence because they don&#039;t believe that we can do anything to mitigate the effects of environment even when we know they are there. If we took the results of such a test seriously, we might have to take gifted education seriously. This will affect the middle class, because they cannot pretend that all their kids are above average anymore. We might ask with Charles Murray if too many people are going to college. I will wrap up by saying that an IQ test has as much potential to be used unethically as embryonic stem cell research according to some religious beliefs because if we really arranged our society by IQ we would have to think about achievement and contribution to society for people of average intelligence differently. It would be obvious if one&#039;s status in society had been bought. However if the rich can arrange things so that the poor are left out because of low IQ, but the rich maintain power in society, this would be unethical on every level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I thought that this business about race and intelligence affects the idea of &#8220;superior&#8221; and &#8220;inferior&#8221; races <span class="caps">BECAUSE </span>Americans give too much credit to where you started. It is a truism that Americans give credit to success in school to being smart while Asians give credit to working hard. A recruiter coming to my university said that even if you have only non-work-related experience to put on your resume, everyone has achievements: put those. This relates to Ross Douthat&#8217;s post. If we had an IQ test that measured intelligence beyond the shadow of a doubt, we still would not have something that measured <i>merit</i>: the willingness to use the intelligence and ability to work hard for the good. If merit is defined in this way I am not sure it is measurable. But there are people who want to believe that achievement is simply a function of intelligence because they don&#8217;t believe that we can do anything to mitigate the effects of environment even when we know they are there. If we took the results of such a test seriously, we might have to take gifted education seriously. This will affect the middle class, because they cannot pretend that all their kids are above average anymore. We might ask with Charles Murray if too many people are going to college. I will wrap up by saying that an IQ test has as much potential to be used unethically as embryonic stem cell research according to some religious beliefs because if we really arranged our society by IQ we would have to think about achievement and contribution to society for people of average intelligence differently. It would be obvious if one&#8217;s status in society had been bought. However if the rich can arrange things so that the poor are left out because of low IQ, but the rich maintain power in society, this would be unethical on every level.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin G.</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/21/more-outsourcing/comment-page-1/#comment-218893</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 15:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of dodgy methods, any comments on the methodology in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-11-18-cubapoll_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this  poll on Cuba&lt;/a&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Speaking of dodgy methods, any comments on the methodology in <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-11-18-cubapoll_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip" rel="nofollow">this  poll on Cuba</a>?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim W</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/21/more-outsourcing/comment-page-1/#comment-218889</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 14:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Turkheimer&#039;s essay is sophistry, in my opinion.  Basically, he&#039;s saying that, since intelligence is a complex result of genetic, developmental, environmental interactions, that its impossible in principle to identify genetic propensities in a typical set of environments.  This is not true.

Koffler, on the other hand, makes some very good points.  The Flynn effect, in particular, is a significant consideration.

His point about &quot;g&quot; is not so relevant, unless I&#039;m missing something.  Why does it matter whether what we think of as intelligence corresponds to an aggregate of independent specialized intelligences in different domains rather than a generalized intelligence?  I don&#039;t see why it should matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Turkheimer&#8217;s essay is sophistry, in my opinion.  Basically, he&#8217;s saying that, since intelligence is a complex result of genetic, developmental, environmental interactions, that its impossible in principle to identify genetic propensities in a typical set of environments.  This is not true.</p>

	<p>Koffler, on the other hand, makes some very good points.  The Flynn effect, in particular, is a significant consideration.</p>

	<p>His point about &#8220;g&#8221; is not so relevant, unless I&#8217;m missing something.  Why does it matter whether what we think of as intelligence corresponds to an aggregate of independent specialized intelligences in different domains rather than a generalized intelligence?  I don&#8217;t see why it should matter.</p>
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