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		<title>By: goatchowder</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/26/english-as-she-is-wrote/comment-page-1/#comment-219487</link>
		<dc:creator>goatchowder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many angels can dance on the head of a fine and blurry line?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>How many angels can dance on the head of a fine and blurry line?</p>
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		<title>By: Jon H</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/26/english-as-she-is-wrote/comment-page-1/#comment-219483</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 05:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks sharp as long as you don&#039;t look too closely.</description>
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		<title>By: a very public sociologist</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/26/english-as-she-is-wrote/comment-page-1/#comment-219439</link>
		<dc:creator>a very public sociologist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quantum mechanics?</description>
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		<title>By: engels</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/26/english-as-she-is-wrote/comment-page-1/#comment-219436</link>
		<dc:creator>engels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is an informative discussion of how to use graphics tools to create &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.emotiondv.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1152081307&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;fine, blurry lines&lt;/a&gt; (using Gaussian blur, motion blur, etc) to avoid problems that fine, sharp lines cause with interlacing.

Some other uses on the &#039;net:


&lt;i&gt;State&#039;s Fine Line on Dipnetting Blurry to All&lt;/i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.adn.com/outdoors/craig_medred/story/9195904p-9112134c.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Anchorage Daily News&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;i&gt;This score caught Howard Shore between “eXistenZ”(1999), a film that shared a few similarities – particularly the fine blurry line between dream and reality – and “Lord of the Rings”(2001) – an epic where he reused most of the unusual instruments chosen for The Cell (like the monochord and the Ghaita).&quot;&lt;/i&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.migueldoliveira.com/EssayMusicAndHorrorgenre.html?86&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Miguel d&#039;Oliveira, Composer&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;i&gt;There was a fine, blurry line between justifiable and unjustifiable rudeness, and it tended to move depending on the extent to which my pride had been wounded.&lt;/i&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://et-tu.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;et-tu?&quot; blog&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Here is an informative discussion of how to use graphics tools to create <a href="http://www.emotiondv.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1152081307" rel="nofollow">fine, blurry lines</a> (using Gaussian blur, motion blur, etc) to avoid problems that fine, sharp lines cause with interlacing.</p>

	<p>Some other uses on the &#8216;net:</p>


	<p><i>State&#8217;s Fine Line on Dipnetting Blurry to All</i><a href="http://www.adn.com/outdoors/craig_medred/story/9195904p-9112134c.html" rel="nofollow"> Anchorage Daily News</a></p>

	<p><i>This score caught Howard Shore between &#8220;eXistenZ&#8221;(1999), a film that shared a few similarities &#8211; particularly the fine blurry line between dream and reality &#8211; and &#8220;Lord of the Rings&#8221;(2001) &#8211; an epic where he reused most of the unusual instruments chosen for The Cell (like the monochord and the Ghaita).&#8221;</i> <a href="http://www.migueldoliveira.com/EssayMusicAndHorrorgenre.html?86" rel="nofollow">Miguel d&#8217;Oliveira, Composer</a></p>

	<p><i>There was a fine, blurry line between justifiable and unjustifiable rudeness, and it tended to move depending on the extent to which my pride had been wounded.</i> <a href="http://et-tu.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">&#8220;et-tu?&#8221; blog</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike Otsuka</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/26/english-as-she-is-wrote/comment-page-1/#comment-219412</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Otsuka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I’m having a hard time visualizing a fine, blurry line.&lt;/i&gt;
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Kieran: I see from your &#039;Simpsonize me&#039; post that you wear glasses. So try looking at the above fine line with your glasses off. With mine off, it still looks fine (slender). But it also looks blurry (indistinct).</description>
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	<p>Kieran: I see from your &#8216;Simpsonize me&#8217; post that you wear glasses. So try looking at the above fine line with your glasses off. With mine off, it still looks fine (slender). But it also looks blurry (indistinct).</p>
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		<title>By: Master Mahan</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/26/english-as-she-is-wrote/comment-page-1/#comment-219405</link>
		<dc:creator>Master Mahan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 04:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s quite simple. The line is blurry for anything Guiliani does, and exceedingly fine for everyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It&#8217;s quite simple. The line is blurry for anything Guiliani does, and exceedingly fine for everyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: doug</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/26/english-as-she-is-wrote/comment-page-1/#comment-219403</link>
		<dc:creator>doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the line can be fine but the boundary can be blurry.  so the boundary isn&#039;t a line, but if it were, it would be fine.  furthermore, we&#039;ll drink no wine before it&#039;s time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>the line can be fine but the boundary can be blurry.  so the boundary isn&#8217;t a line, but if it were, it would be fine.  furthermore, we&#8217;ll drink no wine before it&#8217;s time.</p>
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		<title>By: Oskar Shapley</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/26/english-as-she-is-wrote/comment-page-1/#comment-219402</link>
		<dc:creator>Oskar Shapley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: DB</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/26/english-as-she-is-wrote/comment-page-1/#comment-219401</link>
		<dc:creator>DB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that line is also bright but sometimes hard to discern!</description>
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		<title>By: lemuel pitkin</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/26/english-as-she-is-wrote/comment-page-1/#comment-219379</link>
		<dc:creator>lemuel pitkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I want answers, dammit!&lt;/i&gt;

The answers are yes, either, yes, and no. 

You&#039;re welcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I want answers, dammit!</i></p>

	<p>The answers are yes, either, yes, and no.</p>

	<p>You&#8217;re welcome.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry (not the famous one)</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/26/english-as-she-is-wrote/comment-page-1/#comment-219376</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry (not the famous one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Felix Frankfurter used the same formulation, couched differently, in describing the secondary boycott provisions of the National Labor Relations Act, which require the drawing of &quot;distinctions more nice than obvious.&quot; The fineness/niceness of the distinction indicates that there is not much separating the two sides, but heavy consequences once you cross the line between them.  The blurry/not obvious quality of the distinction only compounds the risk but does not change its fineness or niceness.  

You can have fine/nice distinctions that are marked by non-blurry lines (it&#039;s illegal for an employer to fire strikers, but not to permanently replace them), but I think the addition of a fuzzy criterion makes the fineness/niceness that much more obvious to us.

Frankfurter was no stylist, and this is the sort of formula that you can only pass off in quotation marks, given its musty 19th Century quality, but he was a fairly careful writer. Can&#039;t say the same for our Newsweek writer, who may have been reciting from the catechism of cliche.  But all the talk in the world can&#039;t change the hard facts of the situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Felix Frankfurter used the same formulation, couched differently, in describing the secondary boycott provisions of the National Labor Relations Act, which require the drawing of &#8220;distinctions more nice than obvious.&#8221; The fineness/niceness of the distinction indicates that there is not much separating the two sides, but heavy consequences once you cross the line between them.  The blurry/not obvious quality of the distinction only compounds the risk but does not change its fineness or niceness.</p>

	<p>You can have fine/nice distinctions that are marked by non-blurry lines (it&#8217;s illegal for an employer to fire strikers, but not to permanently replace them), but I think the addition of a fuzzy criterion makes the fineness/niceness that much more obvious to us.</p>

	<p>Frankfurter was no stylist, and this is the sort of formula that you can only pass off in quotation marks, given its musty 19th Century quality, but he was a fairly careful writer. Can&#8217;t say the same for our Newsweek writer, who may have been reciting from the catechism of cliche.  But all the talk in the world can&#8217;t change the hard facts of the situation.</p>
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		<title>By: mollymooly</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/26/english-as-she-is-wrote/comment-page-1/#comment-219371</link>
		<dc:creator>mollymooly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never liked the &quot;fine line&quot; cliché: I&#039;ve never really understood it.  If X is good and Y is bad and there&#039;s a fine line between X and Y, does that mean X borders Y, à la comment#6?  What&#039;s the alternative to a fine line: a wide no-man&#039;s land?  A high fence? Should we just stay over on the far side of X rather than risk inadvertently straying into Y?

Or is it that X and Y are &lt;i&gt;both&lt;/i&gt; bad, and we have to walk the (fine) line between them? 

I want answers, dammit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;ve never liked the &#8220;fine line&#8221; clich&#233;: I&#8217;ve never really understood it.  If X is good and Y is bad and there&#8217;s a fine line between X and Y, does that mean X borders Y, &#224; la comment#6?  What&#8217;s the alternative to a fine line: a wide no-man&#8217;s land?  A high fence? Should we just stay over on the far side of X rather than risk inadvertently straying into Y?</p>

	<p>Or is it that X and Y are <i>both</i> bad, and we have to walk the (fine) line between them?</p>

	<p>I want answers, dammit!</p>
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		<title>By: uppity kitty</title>
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		<dc:creator>uppity kitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are just throwing Rudy out there, knowing he can&#039;t win, so that less attention is paid to some others Rethugs who might be recycled in 2012.

They know they can&#039;t win in 2008 and are doing everything to control the outcome of the Dem who will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>They are just throwing Rudy out there, knowing he can&#8217;t win, so that less attention is paid to some others Rethugs who might be recycled in 2012.</p>

	<p>They know they can&#8217;t win in 2008 and are doing everything to control the outcome of the Dem who will.</p>
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		<title>By: mpowell</title>
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		<dc:creator>mpowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If a line was very thin and your view of it also very blurry, then you wouldn&#039;t actually see the line at all!

Maybe that&#039;s the point here: Rudy Giuliani doesn&#039;t see any difference between saint and sinner.  The only difference that matters is between friend and not-friend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>If a line was very thin and your view of it also very blurry, then you wouldn&#8217;t actually see the line at all!</p>

	<p>Maybe that&#8217;s the point here: Rudy Giuliani doesn&#8217;t see any difference between saint and sinner.  The only difference that matters is between friend and not-friend.</p>
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		<title>By: Kieran Healy has some problems &#171; Entertaining Research</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kieran Healy has some problems &#171; Entertaining Research</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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