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		<title>By: Kevin Donoghue</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/30/shalizi-on-saletan/comment-page-4/#comment-220480</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Donoghue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some o’ them super-smart asians designed a new test for cognitive functioning. &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7124156.stm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Guess&lt;/a&gt; who won.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Some o&#8217; them super-smart asians designed a new test for cognitive functioning. <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7124156.stm" rel="nofollow">Guess</a> who won.</p>
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		<title>By: SG</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/30/shalizi-on-saletan/comment-page-4/#comment-220410</link>
		<dc:creator>SG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 23:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Kane, perhaps Jensen could share his data because the subjects weren&#039;t about to be murdered for co-operating with him? Perhaps also because back in the 60s, when black people were still being experimented on as syphilis carriers, research ethics aren&#039;t what they are today?

I&#039;m impressed that you managed to get your sly accusations of fraud in again there though. Keep at it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>David Kane, perhaps Jensen could share his data because the subjects weren&#8217;t about to be murdered for co-operating with him? Perhaps also because back in the 60s, when black people were still being experimented on as syphilis carriers, research ethics aren&#8217;t what they are today?</p>

	<p>I&#8217;m impressed that you managed to get your sly accusations of fraud in again there though. Keep at it!</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Donoghue</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/30/shalizi-on-saletan/comment-page-4/#comment-220404</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Donoghue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 23:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Henry,

On reflection, if (and only if) you are deleting David Kane’s comment (7:58 pm), please delete my response (10:17 pm) as well. Not that his tripe deserves better, but I wouldn’t ask readers to take my word for that. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Henry,</p>

	<p>On reflection, if (and only if) you are deleting David Kane&#8217;s comment (7:58 pm), please delete my response (10:17 pm) as well. Not that his tripe deserves better, but I wouldn&#8217;t ask readers to take my word for that. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/30/shalizi-on-saletan/comment-page-4/#comment-220399</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 22:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Posted by dsquared:  &quot;note that even in the context of the best twin studies “raised apart” can mean “raised in the same town and going to the same class of the same school”.&quot;

I&#039;d hazard a guess that twins in the studies tended to have far more similar social circumstances than a near-random &#039;assignment&#039; to society would have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Posted by dsquared:  &#8220;note that even in the context of the best twin studies &#8220;raised apart&#8221; can mean &#8220;raised in the same town and going to the same class of the same school&#8221;.&#8221;</p>

	<p>I&#8217;d hazard a guess that twins in the studies tended to have far more similar social circumstances than a near-random &#8216;assignment&#8217; to society would have.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Donoghue</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/30/shalizi-on-saletan/comment-page-4/#comment-220397</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Donoghue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 22:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Walt,

Readers will soon find it hard to make sense of your comments since Henry will surely delete David Kane’s comment as soon as he sees it. More’s the pity because the soon-to-vanish comment is priceless. I hope Henry won’t object if I post a summary, although I recognise that doing so undermines the purpose of banning a troll.

David argues that since Cosma Shalizi respects James Flynn, and James Flynn respects Arthur Jensen, really it is (somehow) wrong that Cosma does not respect Arthur. Apparently there is a transitivity axiom at work here; I can’t quite make sense of it, since by induction it implies that Cosma should also respect known frauds like the late Sir Cyril Burt – which looks very like a reductio to me.

A further complaint is that Les Roberts, an epidemiologist who has devoted years of his life to studying mortality in hellholes like DR Congo and Iraq, in the hope of getting Western governments to do something about the dreadful conditions he has witnessed, wasn’t as helpful to his critic David Kane as David thinks he should be. Contrast that ungracious conduct with the exemplary behaviour of Arthur Jensen, who has devoted much of his life to demonstrating that African-Americans are an inferior breed on whose education public funds should not be wasted; Jensen was very helpful to Flynn, &lt;em&gt;his&lt;/em&gt; critic. So clearly Jensen is a scholar and a gentleman and Roberts is neither.

I kid you not, folks. That’s what David Kane has to say. For those not in the know, David Kane has (without a scrap of evidence) accused Les Roberts and his colleagues of publishing a fraudulent study. I rather suspect Jensen’s attitude to Flynn would have been a bit less helpful if Flynn had behaved as Kane did. Another point of difference is that while Jensen can hardly dispute Flynn’s knowledge of psychology, Kane has shown himself unable to compute a crude mortality rate, even when the figures are supplied to him in a spreadsheet with the formula already entered. I wish I was joking but I’m not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Walt,</p>

	<p>Readers will soon find it hard to make sense of your comments since Henry will surely delete David Kane&#8217;s comment as soon as he sees it. More&#8217;s the pity because the soon-to-vanish comment is priceless. I hope Henry won&#8217;t object if I post a summary, although I recognise that doing so undermines the purpose of banning a troll.</p>

	<p>David argues that since Cosma Shalizi respects James Flynn, and James Flynn respects Arthur Jensen, really it is (somehow) wrong that Cosma does not respect Arthur. Apparently there is a transitivity axiom at work here; I can&#8217;t quite make sense of it, since by induction it implies that Cosma should also respect known frauds like the late Sir Cyril Burt &#8211; which looks very like a reductio to me.</p>

	<p>A further complaint is that Les Roberts, an epidemiologist who has devoted years of his life to studying mortality in hellholes like <span class="caps">DR </span>Congo and Iraq, in the hope of getting Western governments to do something about the dreadful conditions he has witnessed, wasn&#8217;t as helpful to his critic David Kane as David thinks he should be. Contrast that ungracious conduct with the exemplary behaviour of Arthur Jensen, who has devoted much of his life to demonstrating that African-Americans are an inferior breed on whose education public funds should not be wasted; Jensen was very helpful to Flynn, <em>his</em> critic. So clearly Jensen is a scholar and a gentleman and Roberts is neither.</p>

	<p>I kid you not, folks. That&#8217;s what David Kane has to say. For those not in the know, David Kane has (without a scrap of evidence) accused Les Roberts and his colleagues of publishing a fraudulent study. I rather suspect Jensen&#8217;s attitude to Flynn would have been a bit less helpful if Flynn had behaved as Kane did. Another point of difference is that while Jensen can hardly dispute Flynn&#8217;s knowledge of psychology, Kane has shown himself unable to compute a crude mortality rate, even when the figures are supplied to him in a spreadsheet with the formula already entered. I wish I was joking but I&#8217;m not.</p>
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		<title>By: Walt</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/30/shalizi-on-saletan/comment-page-4/#comment-220392</link>
		<dc:creator>Walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 21:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to this article in Slate &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.slate.com/id/2179073&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, Jensen has been trying to prove that the black-white IQ gap is hereditary since the 60s.  From the 60s until today, we have performed a large scale experiment of reduced racism.  The result of that experiment?  The gap in black-white IQs has shrunk.  Since racism has not vanished entirely (something that I believe is slowly happening), why is it so hard to believe that the gap won&#039;t vanish entirely as well?

The Slate article also points out a recurring theme in these IQ stories, one that explains Cosma&#039;s frustrations: I have heard hereditarians bring up the Minnesota twin study.  It turns out that the study has serious design flaws that make the results hard to interpret.  Hereditarians will &lt;i&gt;never, ever&lt;/i&gt; state these flaws when they when they bring up the study.  Here&#039;s Slate:

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Here is what you would never know about the Minnesota study from reading Jensen and Rushton, or, for that matter, Saletan. It held neither race nor expected IQ constant; the black children were adopted at a later age than the other children, which the study&#039;s own authors note is associated with depressed IQ; the black children&#039;s mothers had lower educational levels than those of the white children; the &quot;quality of placement&quot; for the white children was higher than for the other children; and as the study&#039;s own authors have noted, the black and mixed-race children experienced severe adjustment problems as they grew up.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is the behavior of a true scholar?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>According to this article in Slate <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2179073" rel="nofollow">here</a>, Jensen has been trying to prove that the black-white IQ gap is hereditary since the 60s.  From the 60s until today, we have performed a large scale experiment of reduced racism.  The result of that experiment?  The gap in black-white IQs has shrunk.  Since racism has not vanished entirely (something that I believe is slowly happening), why is it so hard to believe that the gap won&#8217;t vanish entirely as well?</p>

	<p>The Slate article also points out a recurring theme in these IQ stories, one that explains Cosma&#8217;s frustrations: I have heard hereditarians bring up the Minnesota twin study.  It turns out that the study has serious design flaws that make the results hard to interpret.  Hereditarians will <i>never, ever</i> state these flaws when they when they bring up the study.  Here&#8217;s Slate:</p>

	<p><blockquote><br />
Here is what you would never know about the Minnesota study from reading Jensen and Rushton, or, for that matter, Saletan. It held neither race nor expected IQ constant; the black children were adopted at a later age than the other children, which the study&#8217;s own authors note is associated with depressed IQ; the black children&#8217;s mothers had lower educational levels than those of the white children; the &#8220;quality of placement&#8221; for the white children was higher than for the other children; and as the study&#8217;s own authors have noted, the black and mixed-race children experienced severe adjustment problems as they grew up.<br />
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	<p>This is the behavior of a true scholar?</p>
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		<title>By: Walt</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/30/shalizi-on-saletan/comment-page-3/#comment-220390</link>
		<dc:creator>Walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 21:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my God.</description>
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		<title>By: baa</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/30/shalizi-on-saletan/comment-page-3/#comment-220387</link>
		<dc:creator>baa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 20:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, 

Thanks for your contribution here. And I&#039;ll look forward to your future post on the topic with interest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>David,</p>

	<p>Thanks for your contribution here. And I&#8217;ll look forward to your future post on the topic with interest.</p>
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		<title>By: Walt</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/30/shalizi-on-saletan/comment-page-3/#comment-220386</link>
		<dc:creator>Walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 20:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That may all be true, David, _you_ do not behave like a real scholar.  A real scholar is humble in the face of their own ignorance.  You didn&#039;t understand the Lancet paper, you do not understand the basics of frequentist inference, and based on your non-understanding, you accused Roberts of fraud.  You then tried to use Tim Lambert and Daniel and a bunch of other people as part of your crusade against Roberts. to Maybe Roberts should release his data.  But maybe you should learn how to do the statistics before you accuse someone else of making up the answers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>That may all be true, David, <em>you</em> do not behave like a real scholar.  A real scholar is humble in the face of their own ignorance.  You didn&#8217;t understand the Lancet paper, you do not understand the basics of frequentist inference, and based on your non-understanding, you accused Roberts of fraud.  You then tried to use Tim Lambert and Daniel and a bunch of other people as part of your crusade against Roberts. to Maybe Roberts should release his data.  But maybe you should learn how to do the statistics before you accuse someone else of making up the answers.</p>
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		<title>By: David Kane</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/30/shalizi-on-saletan/comment-page-3/#comment-220381</link>
		<dc:creator>David Kane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 19:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apologies for the delay (especially to baa). I had meant to put a meaningful comment together but I am still afraid that Henry means it when he says that I am now banned from his threads. So, I&#039;ll save that essay for another venue rather than post it here with the risk that it might be deleted.

In closing, let me point out something that James Flynn &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2007/12/10-questions-for-james-flynn.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wrote&lt;/a&gt; about Arthur Jensen.

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I never suspected Arthur Jensen of racial bias. Over the years, I have found him scrupulous in terms of professional ethics. He has never denied me access to his unpublished data. His work stands as an example of what John Stuart Mill meant when he said that being challenged in a way that is &quot;upsetting&quot; is to be welcomed not discouraged. Before Jensen, the notion that all races were genetically equal for cognitive ability had become a dead &quot;Sunday truth&quot; for which we could give no good reasons. Today we are infinitely more informed about group differences. Equally important, the debates Jensen began are revolutionizing the theory of intelligence and our understanding of how genes and environment interact.
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Why does that matter?

1) In puts into context Cosma&#039;s insistence that most/all of those on the other side are &quot;blithering idiots.&quot; It was one thing to dismiss Rushton and Lynn as &quot;charlatans.&quot; It is another to attack someone like Jensen in the same way. (Cosma does not do this directly but everything he writes is consistent with my belief that he would put Jensen in the same category.) But, Cosma, on the one hand, clearly wants to believe that someone like Flynn does valuable/important/useful work, but Flynn has great things to say about Jensen (and also, I think, Rushton and Flynn). He doesn&#039;t &lt;i&gt;agree&lt;/i&gt; with all their views, but he relies on their &lt;i&gt;data&lt;/i&gt; and considers them welcome members of the scholarly community. But how can he include Flynn within the tent while kicking out Jensen/Lynn/Rushton when Flynn would tell him that those three deserve admittance also?

2) And this all connects to Lancet. Really! My professional interests have little to do with race or IQ or g or Iraqi mortality. But I am a stickler for process, for scientists behaving the way that they ought to behave. Hate him or love him, but Jensen does so. (I understand that the same is true for Rushton and Lynn.) Contrast that with the behavior of Les Roberts who, to this day, refuses to share the household level data from L1 with anyone or that same data with some of his critics on L2.

Jensen shares his data with his fiercest and most intelligent critics. Roberts doesn&#039;t. Only one of them is a real scholar. Can Henry or Daniel or Kieran tell the difference?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Apologies for the delay (especially to baa). I had meant to put a meaningful comment together but I am still afraid that Henry means it when he says that I am now banned from his threads. So, I&#8217;ll save that essay for another venue rather than post it here with the risk that it might be deleted.</p>

	<p>In closing, let me point out something that James Flynn <a href="http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2007/12/10-questions-for-james-flynn.php" rel="nofollow">wrote</a> about Arthur Jensen.</p>

	<p><blockquote><br />
I never suspected Arthur Jensen of racial bias. Over the years, I have found him scrupulous in terms of professional ethics. He has never denied me access to his unpublished data. His work stands as an example of what John Stuart Mill meant when he said that being challenged in a way that is &#8220;upsetting&#8221; is to be welcomed not discouraged. Before Jensen, the notion that all races were genetically equal for cognitive ability had become a dead &#8220;Sunday truth&#8221; for which we could give no good reasons. Today we are infinitely more informed about group differences. Equally important, the debates Jensen began are revolutionizing the theory of intelligence and our understanding of how genes and environment interact.<br />
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	<p>Why does that matter?</p>

	<p>1) In puts into context Cosma&#8217;s insistence that most/all of those on the other side are &#8220;blithering idiots.&#8221; It was one thing to dismiss Rushton and Lynn as &#8220;charlatans.&#8221; It is another to attack someone like Jensen in the same way. (Cosma does not do this directly but everything he writes is consistent with my belief that he would put Jensen in the same category.) But, Cosma, on the one hand, clearly wants to believe that someone like Flynn does valuable/important/useful work, but Flynn has great things to say about Jensen (and also, I think, Rushton and Flynn). He doesn&#8217;t <i>agree</i> with all their views, but he relies on their <i>data</i> and considers them welcome members of the scholarly community. But how can he include Flynn within the tent while kicking out Jensen/Lynn/Rushton when Flynn would tell him that those three deserve admittance also?</p>

	<p>2) And this all connects to Lancet. Really! My professional interests have little to do with race or IQ or g or Iraqi mortality. But I am a stickler for process, for scientists behaving the way that they ought to behave. Hate him or love him, but Jensen does so. (I understand that the same is true for Rushton and Lynn.) Contrast that with the behavior of Les Roberts who, to this day, refuses to share the household level data from L1 with anyone or that same data with some of his critics on L2.</p>

	<p>Jensen shares his data with his fiercest and most intelligent critics. Roberts doesn&#8217;t. Only one of them is a real scholar. Can Henry or Daniel or Kieran tell the difference?</p>
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		<title>By: Mitchell Young</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/30/shalizi-on-saletan/comment-page-3/#comment-220365</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitchell Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really gonna have to leave now. Maybe someother time.</description>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/30/shalizi-on-saletan/comment-page-3/#comment-220345</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 14:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have the Crooked Timber members ever claimed, explicitly or implicitly, that they are the smartest possible set of blog posters?</description>
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		<title>By: SG</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/30/shalizi-on-saletan/comment-page-3/#comment-220341</link>
		<dc:creator>SG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 14:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well Mitchell, it&#039;s a blog... maybe they&#039;re just a bunch of mates? It&#039;s certainly an amusing way of avoiding answering my question. Why do you recommend IQ as a measure of the potential benefits of college affirmative action programs when college grades would suffice? And how does it even affect affirmative action programs, given the possibility that its influence on college outcomes is confounded by institutional racism?

(Now is your chance to follow up the previous comment and admit you don&#039;t believe institutional racism exists...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>well Mitchell, it&#8217;s a blog&#8230; maybe they&#8217;re just a bunch of mates? It&#8217;s certainly an amusing way of avoiding answering my question. Why do you recommend IQ as a measure of the potential benefits of college affirmative action programs when college grades would suffice? And how does it even affect affirmative action programs, given the possibility that its influence on college outcomes is confounded by institutional racism?</p>

	<p>(Now is your chance to follow up the previous comment and admit you don&#8217;t believe institutional racism exists&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Donoghue</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/30/shalizi-on-saletan/comment-page-3/#comment-220336</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Donoghue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 13:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mitchell Young, reappearing after yet another exit: &lt;em&gt;Now, is Crooked Timber institutionally racist?&lt;/em&gt;

Maybe it depends on whether you count the Irish as white? Most racist league tables put us a long way down the rankings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Mitchell Young, reappearing after yet another exit: <em>Now, is Crooked Timber institutionally racist?</em></p>

	<p>Maybe it depends on whether you count the Irish as white? Most racist league tables put us a long way down the rankings.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Donoghue</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/11/30/shalizi-on-saletan/comment-page-3/#comment-220334</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Donoghue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 13:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mitchell Young: &lt;em&gt;...we do have dz pairs of the same sex for comparison.&lt;/em&gt;

Merely having the data is not enough – unless the actual number-crunching is done we can’t derive results. Was it done? I don’t know and, judging by the fact that you have no idea how many twin studies involve twins separated at birth, my guess is that you don’t know either.

All in all, you seem to have more interest in collecting ammunition to use against affirmative action than in evaluating this research on its merits. It’s not for me to advise you on how to wage that struggle, but FWIW your approach doesn’t make any sense to me. Even if it is ever established that low IQ is related to a genetic defect, that won’t affect the case for remedial action. Whether a disadvantaged group should be helped or not doesn’t depend on whether their handicap is traceable to their genes. Many people are crippled by diseases which have a genetic component, but I’ve never heard anyone using that as an argument against providing wheelchair ramps in public spaces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Mitchell Young: <em>&#8230;we do have dz pairs of the same sex for comparison.</em></p>

	<p>Merely having the data is not enough &#8211; unless the actual number-crunching is done we can&#8217;t derive results. Was it done? I don&#8217;t know and, judging by the fact that you have no idea how many twin studies involve twins separated at birth, my guess is that you don&#8217;t know either.</p>

	<p>All in all, you seem to have more interest in collecting ammunition to use against affirmative action than in evaluating this research on its merits. It&#8217;s not for me to advise you on how to wage that struggle, but <span class="caps">FWIW</span> your approach doesn&#8217;t make any sense to me. Even if it is ever established that low IQ is related to a genetic defect, that won&#8217;t affect the case for remedial action. Whether a disadvantaged group should be helped or not doesn&#8217;t depend on whether their handicap is traceable to their genes. Many people are crippled by diseases which have a genetic component, but I&#8217;ve never heard anyone using that as an argument against providing wheelchair ramps in public spaces.</p>
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