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		<title>By: jw</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/12/03/words-fail-me/comment-page-1/#comment-220696</link>
		<dc:creator>jw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 02:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sheesh 17, 23, 25: you&#039;re as bad as the mindless Evangelical nutcases that made Romney feel like he had to make The Mormon Speech in the first place. Your enlightened liberalism sure sounds like smarmy, self-congratulatory bigotry to me. 

Romney didn&#039;t give the speech to us, but to right wingers in Iowa, who are jumping on the Huckabee, the &quot;Christian leader.&quot; That man scares the crap outta me. I&#039;m much more afraid of a theocracy coming from Huckabee than Romney, that&#039;s for sure.

Romney&#039;s difficulty is that he&#039;s chosen to participate in a party where the base is becoming more and more intolerant of people like him. Evangelical republicans hate Mormons in the same way segregationists hate multiracial marriage. Why any Mormon continues in the Republican party is a mystery to me. I guess that&#039;s why fringe third-party candidates do better in Utah than they do other places.

I&#039;d love to see Mittens lose the nomination to Huckabee as the Evangelicals swell in anti-Mormon sentiment, and then the twelve Mormon Republicans in Congress up and leave the party in protest. Then again, I&#039;d love to see most of the right-wing Evangelicals that are surging in American politics get a swift kick in the groin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sheesh 17, 23, 25: you&#8217;re as bad as the mindless Evangelical nutcases that made Romney feel like he had to make The Mormon Speech in the first place. Your enlightened liberalism sure sounds like smarmy, self-congratulatory bigotry to me.</p>

	<p>Romney didn&#8217;t give the speech to us, but to right wingers in Iowa, who are jumping on the Huckabee, the &#8220;Christian leader.&#8221; That man scares the crap outta me. I&#8217;m much more afraid of a theocracy coming from Huckabee than Romney, that&#8217;s for sure.</p>

	<p>Romney&#8217;s difficulty is that he&#8217;s chosen to participate in a party where the base is becoming more and more intolerant of people like him. Evangelical republicans hate Mormons in the same way segregationists hate multiracial marriage. Why any Mormon continues in the Republican party is a mystery to me. I guess that&#8217;s why fringe third-party candidates do better in Utah than they do other places.</p>

	<p>I&#8217;d love to see Mittens lose the nomination to Huckabee as the Evangelicals swell in anti-Mormon sentiment, and then the twelve Mormon Republicans in Congress up and leave the party in protest. Then again, I&#8217;d love to see most of the right-wing Evangelicals that are surging in American politics get a swift kick in the groin.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross L</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/12/03/words-fail-me/comment-page-1/#comment-220575</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 03:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce Webb, I did not intend to disparage you, and I do not think you are a Redstate mole. There was intended to be a sense of  irony in my comment.  In a post that was IMO at least partly about the foolish right wing frame of &quot;Obama Osama&quot;, your comment seemed to confirm the effectiveness of the Limbaughesque slur, in a rather humorous way.  If you say you made a typo, I can certainly believe you.  But the &quot;b&quot; key sits a long away away from the &quot;s&quot; key on the keyboard, which raises the issue of why the typo sprang from your fingers.  The obvious context of the rest of your #16  comment only amps up the irony.  As for your record, I do not find that relevant to the point (what is your record anyway - infallible tireless champion of all that is good and right?).  As for the vague charges of racism in #35, they do not seem to me to be on point.  Since when is Islam a race?  I always thought it was a religion shared by people of sundry races.  There are and will be people in the political fray selling and buying the Obama Osama shtick and while I do not think you are one of those people, you do not seem aware of the vile ramifications that might ensue from the tactic</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Bruce Webb, I did not intend to disparage you, and I do not think you are a Redstate mole. There was intended to be a sense of  irony in my comment.  In a post that was <span class="caps">IMO</span> at least partly about the foolish right wing frame of &#8220;Obama Osama&#8221;, your comment seemed to confirm the effectiveness of the Limbaughesque slur, in a rather humorous way.  If you say you made a typo, I can certainly believe you.  But the &#8220;b&#8221; key sits a long away away from the &#8220;s&#8221; key on the keyboard, which raises the issue of why the typo sprang from your fingers.  The obvious context of the rest of your #16  comment only amps up the irony.  As for your record, I do not find that relevant to the point (what is your record anyway &#8211; infallible tireless champion of all that is good and right?).  As for the vague charges of racism in #35, they do not seem to me to be on point.  Since when is Islam a race?  I always thought it was a religion shared by people of sundry races.  There are and will be people in the political fray selling and buying the Obama Osama shtick and while I do not think you are one of those people, you do not seem aware of the vile ramifications that might ensue from the tactic</p>
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		<title>By: brantl</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/12/03/words-fail-me/comment-page-1/#comment-220500</link>
		<dc:creator>brantl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mittens is trying to get elected by a bigotted crowd and now he figures out that they might be bigotted against him. Poor planning on a party to join, Mitt. It sucks to be him. I&#039;d feel worse for him if I hadn&#039;t heard a lot of his campaign platform. And the double guantanomo crap. Oh, and the dog on the car roof, thing. And &gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Mittens is trying to get elected by a bigotted crowd and now he figures out that they might be bigotted against him. Poor planning on a party to join, Mitt. It sucks to be him. I&#8217;d feel worse for him if I hadn&#8217;t heard a lot of his campaign platform. And the double guantanomo crap. Oh, and the dog on the car roof, thing. And >.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Webb</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/12/03/words-fail-me/comment-page-1/#comment-220396</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Webb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 21:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While shaving enroute to being late to an appointment I worried that maybe I had committed a typo but didn&#039;t have time to check. It is telling that people accuse me of being a Redstate mole without considering my record or the comment in its own context.

Of course I meant Obama. On the other hand the logic works just as well using Osama. We don&#039;t reject bin Laden because he is Muslim, we reject him because he is a mass murderor.

Here is a hard question for all you. Would it make any difference if Obama&#039;s name was Osama? If so why? If not why would a typo matter? Only someone who kind of has bought into this racism to start with would care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>While shaving enroute to being late to an appointment I worried that maybe I had committed a typo but didn&#8217;t have time to check. It is telling that people accuse me of being a Redstate mole without considering my record or the comment in its own context.</p>

	<p>Of course I meant Obama. On the other hand the logic works just as well using Osama. We don&#8217;t reject bin Laden because he is Muslim, we reject him because he is a mass murderor.</p>

	<p>Here is a hard question for all you. Would it make any difference if Obama&#8217;s name was Osama? If so why? If not why would a typo matter? Only someone who kind of has bought into this racism to start with would care.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Kvetch</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/12/03/words-fail-me/comment-page-1/#comment-220364</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle Kvetch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mean he ate the child and raped the puppy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You mean he ate the child and raped the puppy?</p>
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		<title>By: Z</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/12/03/words-fail-me/comment-page-1/#comment-220329</link>
		<dc:creator>Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 13:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Relax people, the disturbing rumors that Hugh Hewitt was eating a puppy while raping that child are greatly exagerated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Relax people, the disturbing rumors that Hugh Hewitt was eating a puppy while raping that child are greatly exagerated.</p>
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		<title>By: nick s</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/12/03/words-fail-me/comment-page-1/#comment-220294</link>
		<dc:creator>nick s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 05:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real question: does Hugh Hewitt have to give the complete fucking bastard speech?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The real question: does Hugh Hewitt have to give the complete fucking bastard speech?</p>
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		<title>By: Master Mahan</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/12/03/words-fail-me/comment-page-1/#comment-220263</link>
		<dc:creator>Master Mahan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 01:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For extra stupidity, I&#039;m impressed at using Google search terms as actual proof. Based on this political theory, I look forward to President eBay&#039;s first term in office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>For extra stupidity, I&#8217;m impressed at using Google search terms as actual proof. Based on this political theory, I look forward to President eBay&#8217;s first term in office.</p>
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		<title>By: soru</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/12/03/words-fail-me/comment-page-1/#comment-220257</link>
		<dc:creator>soru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 00:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It wouldn’t matter if Osama was a Muslim&lt;/i&gt;

I think I have just found a member of a set previously thought to be null: the dirty election trick the Republicans would refrain from playing.

I actually think that if somone suggested secretly negotiating with Osama, then entering him on the ballot in Florida in the hope he would get that crucial 1% typo vote, somone would shoot the idea down.

I could be wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>It wouldn&#8217;t matter if Osama was a Muslim</i></p>

	<p>I think I have just found a member of a set previously thought to be null: the dirty election trick the Republicans would refrain from playing.</p>

	<p>I actually think that if somone suggested secretly negotiating with Osama, then entering him on the ballot in Florida in the hope he would get that crucial 1% typo vote, somone would shoot the idea down.</p>

	<p>I could be wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: novakant</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/12/03/words-fail-me/comment-page-1/#comment-220253</link>
		<dc:creator>novakant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;. . . towards the end?&lt;/i&gt;

True, some right-wing motormouths and also the Clinton campaign have been playing dirty with this issue already, but I doubt that has had much effect on voters. I was thinking more along the lines of the McCain illegitimate black child smear either right before the primaries or election day.

Maybe it&#039;s a good thing they&#039;ve brought this &quot;issue&quot; up so early and people will have lost interest when it counts and Obama will be able to dismiss it easier. Maybe democratic and swing voters are generally less susceptible to such smears. Who knows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>. . . towards the end?</i></p>

	<p>True, some right-wing motormouths and also the Clinton campaign have been playing dirty with this issue already, but I doubt that has had much effect on voters. I was thinking more along the lines of the McCain illegitimate black child smear either right before the primaries or election day.</p>

	<p>Maybe it&#8217;s a good thing they&#8217;ve brought this &#8220;issue&#8221; up so early and people will have lost interest when it counts and Obama will be able to dismiss it easier. Maybe democratic and swing voters are generally less susceptible to such smears. Who knows.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross L</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/12/03/words-fail-me/comment-page-1/#comment-220252</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A.  re #16, does Bruce Webb intend to use the name Osama in his comment, or did he mean Obama? Or perhaps Hussein Obama?  Have I stumbled into Redstate here?

B.  re #17, Jim Harrison&#039;s comment is perhaps backwards.  I was also born into a Mormon family, though not the Romneys.  I converted at age 18, and suppose I would need serious therapy if I had not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>A.  re #16, does Bruce Webb intend to use the name Osama in his comment, or did he mean Obama? Or perhaps Hussein Obama?  Have I stumbled into Redstate here?</p>

	<p>B.  re #17, Jim Harrison&#8217;s comment is perhaps backwards.  I was also born into a Mormon family, though not the Romneys.  I converted at age 18, and suppose I would need serious therapy if I had not.</p>
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		<title>By: rm</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/12/03/words-fail-me/comment-page-1/#comment-220251</link>
		<dc:creator>rm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>. . . towards the end?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>. . . towards the end?</p>
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		<title>By: novakant</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/12/03/words-fail-me/comment-page-1/#comment-220249</link>
		<dc:creator>novakant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fear that when things get ugly towards the end, his middle and last name alone (Hussein Obama!) &lt;i&gt;will&lt;/i&gt; make a difference that might be crucial (it might only take a few thousand gullible voters) - but one can always hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I fear that when things get ugly towards the end, his middle and last name alone (Hussein Obama!) <i>will</i> make a difference that might be crucial (it might only take a few thousand gullible voters) &#8211; but one can always hope.</p>
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		<title>By: John Emerson</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/12/03/words-fail-me/comment-page-1/#comment-220245</link>
		<dc:creator>John Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My son&#039;s Grandma was a Mormon, and Mormons have a saying &quot;Sometimes it skips a generation&quot; (my son&#039;s mother was extremely lapsed). My son seems to be completely safe, however. He has been approached, however.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>My son&#8217;s Grandma was a Mormon, and Mormons have a saying &#8220;Sometimes it skips a generation&#8221; (my son&#8217;s mother was extremely lapsed). My son seems to be completely safe, however. He has been approached, however.</p>
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		<title>By: Drake</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/12/03/words-fail-me/comment-page-1/#comment-220244</link>
		<dc:creator>Drake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 21:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For some reason, I was immediately put in mind of this chestnut:&lt;blockquote&gt;Sartre was sitting at the Café de Flore when a waitress came over to ask if he&#039;d like anything. 

&#039;Yes,&#039; he said. &#039;I&#039;d like a coffee without cream.&#039;

&#039;I&#039;m sorry,&#039; replied the waitress. &#039;But we have no cream.&#039;
&#039;In that case,&#039; said Sartre, &#039;I&#039;ll have it without milk.&#039;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>For some reason, I was immediately put in mind of this chestnut:<blockquote>Sartre was sitting at the Caf&#233; de Flore when a waitress came over to ask if he&#8217;d like anything.</blockquote></p>

	<p>&#8216;Yes,&#8217; he said. &#8216;I&#8217;d like a coffee without cream.&#8217;</p>

	<p>&#8216;I&#8217;m sorry,&#8217; replied the waitress. &#8216;But we have no cream.&#8217;<br />
&#8216;In that case,&#8217; said Sartre, &#8216;I&#8217;ll have it without milk.&#8217;</p>
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