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		<title>By: Craig Howard</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/12/21/a-lot-or-a-little/comment-page-1/#comment-222834</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Much of the discussion here seems to assume that the aid to Africans was meant as income.  In that case the 20 cents a week figure does seem laughable.  But the aid was not meant as welfare payments, it was intended to improve infrastructure and provide some capital where there was none.

That it was wasted or mis-targeted is beyond dispute -- that it was a negligible amount is laughable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Much of the discussion here seems to assume that the aid to Africans was meant as income.  In that case the 20 cents a week figure does seem laughable.  But the aid was not meant as welfare payments, it was intended to improve infrastructure and provide some capital where there was none.</p>

	<p>That it was wasted or mis-targeted is beyond dispute&#8212;that it was a negligible amount is laughable.</p>
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		<title>By: terence</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/12/21/a-lot-or-a-little/comment-page-1/#comment-222794</link>
		<dc:creator>terence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 05:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex,

Off the top of my head - considerably less. The OECD DAC website might have the actual numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Alex,</p>

	<p>Off the top of my head &#8211; considerably less. The <span class="caps">OECD DAC</span> website might have the actual numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 01:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any figure on how much private aid has gone to africa in the same time period?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Any figure on how much private aid has gone to africa in the same time period?</p>
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		<title>By: quantitative today</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/12/21/a-lot-or-a-little/comment-page-1/#comment-222768</link>
		<dc:creator>quantitative today</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 22:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be interested to see an example of a $1.60 per day budget. If based on PPP, it could of course use easily researched developed-world prices (&lt;i&gt;e.g.,&lt;/i&gt; at a nearby store). One would have to allow for a suspension of housing construction codes and other enforcers of high costs.

At the margin, lower income will be engender increases in do-it-yourself activity, that is, a displacement of money-mediated division of labor. In terms of quality of life, how can one properly account for services provided by oneself, and (working out from there) services provided by family members, informally bartered with neighbors, more-formally bartered with more distant parties, &lt;i&gt;etc.?&lt;/i&gt; Almost all profound poverty is the poverty of the rural poor. Regarding the central question of food, how can one properly account for one&#039;s own (family&#039;s, neighbors&#039;...) garden production? There must be documents describing methodology, but the bare numbers have outrun the information needed to fully interpret them.

Considerations like the above suggest how $1.60 per day &lt;i&gt;might&lt;/i&gt; be more tolerable than it seems to wealthy urbanites -- while still being appallingly low.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I would be interested to see an example of a $1.60 per day budget. If based on <span class="caps">PPP</span>, it could of course use easily researched developed-world prices (<i>e.g.,</i> at a nearby store). One would have to allow for a suspension of housing construction codes and other enforcers of high costs.</p>

	<p>At the margin, lower income will be engender increases in do-it-yourself activity, that is, a displacement of money-mediated division of labor. In terms of quality of life, how can one properly account for services provided by oneself, and (working out from there) services provided by family members, informally bartered with neighbors, more-formally bartered with more distant parties, <i>etc.?</i> Almost all profound poverty is the poverty of the rural poor. Regarding the central question of food, how can one properly account for one&#8217;s own (family&#8217;s, neighbors&#8217;&#8230;) garden production? There must be documents describing methodology, but the bare numbers have outrun the information needed to fully interpret them.</p>

	<p>Considerations like the above suggest how $1.60 per day <i>might</i> be more tolerable than it seems to wealthy urbanites&#8212;while still being appallingly low.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/12/21/a-lot-or-a-little/comment-page-1/#comment-222764</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 20:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P O&#039;Neill and Stuart, I estimated &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.ctrlbreak.co.uk/archives/000240.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; (based on a possibly dodgy back of the envelope calculation) that average annual Marshall Plan aid per capita to the four largest European countries was about three times the aid per capita to Sub-Saharan Africa in 2002, adjusted for inflation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span class="caps">P O</span>&#8217;Neill and Stuart, I estimated <a href="http://blog.ctrlbreak.co.uk/archives/000240.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> (based on a possibly dodgy back of the envelope calculation) that average annual Marshall Plan aid per capita to the four largest European countries was about three times the aid per capita to Sub-Saharan Africa in 2002, adjusted for inflation.</p>
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		<title>By: foxmarks</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/12/21/a-lot-or-a-little/comment-page-1/#comment-222761</link>
		<dc:creator>foxmarks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>33: I can send you a list of addresses, but remember, since rights and law operate here, you&#039;ll only be paid a return on your share in the total effort. Expect about 5%, long-run inflation-adjusted. I&#039;m keepin&#039; the bulk of the fruits of my genius. Otherwise, why wouldn&#039;t I just eat your twenty cents?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>33: I can send you a list of addresses, but remember, since rights and law operate here, you&#8217;ll only be paid a return on your share in the total effort. Expect about 5%, long-run inflation-adjusted. I&#8217;m keepin&#8217; the bulk of the fruits of my genius. Otherwise, why wouldn&#8217;t I just eat your twenty cents?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael B Sullivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael B Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 10:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Terence!

So, $1.08 in 1992 is $1.60 today, according to some random inflation calculators that I Googled up.  $1.60 a day doesn&#039;t have quite the same ring as dollar-a-day, but it makes a lot more sense in terms of how the bottom billion survives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks, Terence!</p>

	<p>So, $1.08 in 1992 is $1.60 today, according to some random inflation calculators that I Googled up.  $1.60 a day doesn&#8217;t have quite the same ring as dollar-a-day, but it makes a lot more sense in terms of how the bottom billion survives.</p>
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		<title>By: terence</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/12/21/a-lot-or-a-little/comment-page-1/#comment-222738</link>
		<dc:creator>terence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 01:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael &amp; Pete,

Because of purchasing power parity conversions (and inflation adjustments) the WB&#039;s $1 a day poverty line means the following:

To be under this line you will have to be &lt;b&gt;consuming&lt;/b&gt; less per day than you could have consumed in the United States, in 1992, with US$1.08*.

In other words &lt;b&gt;fricking poor&lt;/b&gt;**.

Also, because it is a consumption poverty line rather than an income poverty line, anything you consume from the subsistence economy &lt;b&gt;is monetarised and included in your consumption bundle.&lt;/b&gt; This process is inexact of course - particularly at measuring the value of public goods. But the salient point remains - if you&#039;re under this line you are very, very poor indeed.

If you go to the UNPD&#039;s International Poverty Centre&#039;s website there are some good briefing papers on this but, one of the many flaws of the WB poverty lines is that they were simply created by averaging the poverty lines of some low income countries. They were never tied to a fixed set of calorific needs. Attempts to construct genuine needs based poverty line come up with (please get the exact numbers from the aforementioned website) something like 90c / day for absolute basic calorific needs and $1.50 day for absolute basic basic needs. A line based on health outcomes (using the Preston Curve) produces a figure of about $2 a day (possibly significantly higher depending on calculations). 

Former WB economist Lant Prichard has a (in my opinion) sensible approach to categorising poverty.

Under $1 / day - destitute 
Under $2 / day - extreme poverty
Under $10 / day - poverty (the $10 figure is arrived at by averaging rich country poverty lines)

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*Might want to double check here in a hurry - presents to wrap and I could have the exact number wrong.
**So poor that poverty depth below this line would have to be minimal as you couldn&#039;t fall much lower without being dead. And, for this reason, it won&#039;t take a huge improvement to bring people over the $1 a day line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Michael &#038; Pete,</p>

	<p>Because of purchasing power parity conversions (and inflation adjustments) the WB&#8217;s $1 a day poverty line means the following:</p>

	<p>To be under this line you will have to be <b>consuming</b> less per day than you could have consumed in the United States, in 1992, with US$1.08*.</p>

	<p>In other words <b>fricking poor</b>**.</p>

	<p>Also, because it is a consumption poverty line rather than an income poverty line, anything you consume from the subsistence economy <b>is monetarised and included in your consumption bundle.</b> This process is inexact of course &#8211; particularly at measuring the value of public goods. But the salient point remains &#8211; if you&#8217;re under this line you are very, very poor indeed.</p>

	<p>If you go to the <span class="caps">UNPD</span>&#8217;s International Poverty Centre&#8217;s website there are some good briefing papers on this but, one of the many flaws of the WB poverty lines is that they were simply created by averaging the poverty lines of some low income countries. They were never tied to a fixed set of calorific needs. Attempts to construct genuine needs based poverty line come up with (please get the exact numbers from the aforementioned website) something like 90c / day for absolute basic calorific needs and $1.50 day for absolute basic basic needs. A line based on health outcomes (using the Preston Curve) produces a figure of about $2 a day (possibly significantly higher depending on calculations).</p>

	<p>Former WB economist Lant Prichard has a (in my opinion) sensible approach to categorising poverty.</p>

	<p>Under $1 / day &#8211; destitute<br />
Under $2 / day &#8211; extreme poverty<br />
Under $10 / day &#8211; poverty (the $10 figure is arrived at by averaging rich country poverty lines)</p>

	<p><i></i>____________</p>
	<p>*Might want to double check here in a hurry &#8211; presents to wrap and I could have the exact number wrong.</p>
	<p>**So poor that poverty depth below this line would have to be minimal as you couldn&#8217;t fall much lower without being dead. And, for this reason, it won&#8217;t take a huge improvement to bring people over the $1 a day line.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael B Sullivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael B Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 00:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#38:  But it&#039;s purchasing power parity, right?  It&#039;s a dollar&#039;s worth of food, not an actual dollar.  So the difference between prices in the USA and Africa are supposed to be taken into account.

You&#039;re probably right that you could get enough calories to survive on per day, at $1, for the very cheapest foods.  But literally nothing else.  No clothing, or shelter, or anything.

The issue of making or scavenging for themselves is more or less what I&#039;m getting at.  If I&#039;m a farmer, mostly subsisting, and I make enough food to eat, and then sell a small remainder for $1 per day, how is that counted?  Am I in the $1 per day bottom billion, or not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>#38:  But it&#8217;s purchasing power parity, right?  It&#8217;s a dollar&#8217;s worth of food, not an actual dollar.  So the difference between prices in the <span class="caps">USA</span> and Africa are supposed to be taken into account.</p>

	<p>You&#8217;re probably right that you could get enough calories to survive on per day, at $1, for the very cheapest foods.  But literally nothing else.  No clothing, or shelter, or anything.</p>

	<p>The issue of making or scavenging for themselves is more or less what I&#8217;m getting at.  If I&#8217;m a farmer, mostly subsisting, and I make enough food to eat, and then sell a small remainder for $1 per day, how is that counted?  Am I in the $1 per day bottom billion, or not?</p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/12/21/a-lot-or-a-little/comment-page-1/#comment-222727</link>
		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got the impression that it&#039;s not so much food but water, clean water.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I got the impression that it&#8217;s not so much food but water, clean water.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#37: Food is cheaper in Africa. But you could survive on $1/day of rice even at US supermarket prices. Everything else, people make or scavenge for themselves, or among their families.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>#37: Food is cheaper in Africa. But you could survive on $1/day of rice even at US supermarket prices. Everything else, people make or scavenge for themselves, or among their families.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael B Sullivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael B Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a question I always have on this dollar a day stuff: how is that calculated?

It seems on the face of it to me to be ridiculous.  A dollar isn&#039;t enough money to buy enough food to live on (much less buy clothing and shelter to keep the elements away, or many other bare necessities).  Obviously, one billion people aren&#039;t starving to death right now, or next month we&#039;d have a population one billion lower than we do today.  So I&#039;m going wrong somewhere above, and the figure is repeated enough that I assume that there&#039;s some validity behind it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Here&#8217;s a question I always have on this dollar a day stuff: how is that calculated?</p>

	<p>It seems on the face of it to me to be ridiculous.  A dollar isn&#8217;t enough money to buy enough food to live on (much less buy clothing and shelter to keep the elements away, or many other bare necessities).  Obviously, one billion people aren&#8217;t starving to death right now, or next month we&#8217;d have a population one billion lower than we do today.  So I&#8217;m going wrong somewhere above, and the figure is repeated enough that I assume that there&#8217;s some validity behind it.</p>
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		<title>By: Random African</title>
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		<dc:creator>Random African</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 18:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah thanks for the links.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>yeah thanks for the links.</p>
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		<title>By: notsneaky</title>
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		<dc:creator>notsneaky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 18:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>terence, you&#039;re right, but it still should be read as a sort of intro into the whole thing. I was going to say something like &quot;but it (B&amp;D) has been widely criticized&quot; but was in a hurry to write and run to do Xmas shopping so I didn&#039;t. Thanks for the links!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>terence, you&#8217;re right, but it still should be read as a sort of intro into the whole thing. I was going to say something like &#8220;but it (B&#038;D) has been widely criticized&#8221; but was in a hurry to write and run to do Xmas shopping so I didn&#8217;t. Thanks for the links!</p>
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		<title>By: JohnTh</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2007/12/21/a-lot-or-a-little/comment-page-1/#comment-222695</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnTh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 12:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although the analogy is fair, the right thing to do would be to measure it over the average population over the period, which was much lower. Also, could an argument be made that sub-Saharan Africa has grown much richer, but it has invested its GDP increase in more people rather than a higher GDP per person? Typically in European economic history a high population growth has been associated with prosperity, hasn&#039;t it? Isn&#039;t it only in the last 200 years, in some places, that greater wealth has been accumulated per person rather than in the form of higher population? It would be interesting to get the views of any passing economic historian on this</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Although the analogy is fair, the right thing to do would be to measure it over the average population over the period, which was much lower. Also, could an argument be made that sub-Saharan Africa has grown much richer, but it has invested its <span class="caps">GDP</span> increase in more people rather than a higher <span class="caps">GDP</span> per person? Typically in European economic history a high population growth has been associated with prosperity, hasn&#8217;t it? Isn&#8217;t it only in the last 200 years, in some places, that greater wealth has been accumulated per person rather than in the form of higher population? It would be interesting to get the views of any passing economic historian on this</p>
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