Comments on: Eminently fair and gracious and typically thoughtful http://crookedtimber.org/2008/01/21/eminently-fair-and-gracious-and-typically-thoughtful/ Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made Sun, 22 Nov 2009 11:25:27 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: An important point « Liberal Fascism http://crookedtimber.org/2008/01/21/eminently-fair-and-gracious-and-typically-thoughtful/comment-page-1/#comment-225751 An important point « Liberal Fascism Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:17:34 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2008/01/21/eminently-fair-and-gracious-and-typically-thoughtful/#comment-225751 [...] and Pinko Punko - are starting to understand the groundbreaking nature of my book, and saying eminently fair and gracious and typically thoughtful things about it. These people have shown themselves to be serious intellectuals, capable of [...] [...] and Pinko Punko – are starting to understand the groundbreaking nature of my book, and saying eminently fair and gracious and typically thoughtful things about it. These people have shown themselves to be serious intellectuals, capable of [...]

]]> By: More reviews « Liberal Fascism http://crookedtimber.org/2008/01/21/eminently-fair-and-gracious-and-typically-thoughtful/comment-page-1/#comment-225637 More reviews « Liberal Fascism Fri, 25 Jan 2008 00:31:52 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2008/01/21/eminently-fair-and-gracious-and-typically-thoughtful/#comment-225637 [...] fair and gracious and typically thoughtful review of the book, which he has undertaken seriously, with detail and care. Obviously, there isn’t as much care and detail as went into my book, and it’s not as [...] [...] fair and gracious and typically thoughtful review of the book, which he has undertaken seriously, with detail and care. Obviously, there isn’t as much care and detail as went into my book, and it’s not as [...]

]]> By: abb1 http://crookedtimber.org/2008/01/21/eminently-fair-and-gracious-and-typically-thoughtful/comment-page-1/#comment-225496 abb1 Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:35:06 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2008/01/21/eminently-fair-and-gracious-and-typically-thoughtful/#comment-225496 Given a bit of talent absurdity would've been okay too. But no such luck. Given a bit of talent absurdity would’ve been okay too. But no such luck.

]]> By: Ginger Yellow http://crookedtimber.org/2008/01/21/eminently-fair-and-gracious-and-typically-thoughtful/comment-page-1/#comment-225434 Ginger Yellow Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:30:40 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2008/01/21/eminently-fair-and-gracious-and-typically-thoughtful/#comment-225434 I'm not equating the two. My point is that Goldberg realised that taking a somewhat defensible Hayekian line wouldn't generate any interest, so he had to push it further. But he's not bright or diligent enough to do so without descending into absurdity. I’m not equating the two. My point is that Goldberg realised that taking a somewhat defensible Hayekian line wouldn’t generate any interest, so he had to push it further. But he’s not bright or diligent enough to do so without descending into absurdity.

]]> By: bi http://crookedtimber.org/2008/01/21/eminently-fair-and-gracious-and-typically-thoughtful/comment-page-1/#comment-225377 bi Wed, 23 Jan 2008 16:44:40 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2008/01/21/eminently-fair-and-gracious-and-typically-thoughtful/#comment-225377 Jeez, now libarbarian hath confused me. Is Goldberg in the middle? Or is it really Hayek who's in the middle? Can the real middle please stand up? Jeez, now libarbarian hath confused me.

Is Goldberg in the middle? Or is it really Hayek who’s in the middle?

Can the real middle please stand up?

]]> By: libarbarian http://crookedtimber.org/2008/01/21/eminently-fair-and-gracious-and-typically-thoughtful/comment-page-1/#comment-225369 libarbarian Wed, 23 Jan 2008 16:23:53 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2008/01/21/eminently-fair-and-gracious-and-typically-thoughtful/#comment-225369 <i>But in order to disguise the fact that his thesis is just a tired retread of Hayek, he had to go a step further and claim that fascism and progressivism have the same defining characteristics.</i> Please do not insult Hayek by equating his views with Goldberg of "Liberal Fascism". But in order to disguise the fact that his thesis is just a tired retread of Hayek, he had to go a step further and claim that fascism and progressivism have the same defining characteristics.

Please do not insult Hayek by equating his views with Goldberg of “Liberal Fascism”.

]]> By: e julius drivingstorm http://crookedtimber.org/2008/01/21/eminently-fair-and-gracious-and-typically-thoughtful/comment-page-1/#comment-225280 e julius drivingstorm Wed, 23 Jan 2008 07:15:33 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2008/01/21/eminently-fair-and-gracious-and-typically-thoughtful/#comment-225280 If JG makes the case that liberals founded fascism, at what point did the fascists abandon the liberals? At what point do the neo-con republicans abandon the Evangelical Christians? If JG makes the case that liberals founded fascism, at what point did the fascists abandon the liberals? At what point do the neo-con republicans abandon the Evangelical Christians?

]]> By: luci http://crookedtimber.org/2008/01/21/eminently-fair-and-gracious-and-typically-thoughtful/comment-page-1/#comment-225243 luci Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:58:58 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2008/01/21/eminently-fair-and-gracious-and-typically-thoughtful/#comment-225243 <i>"It is a neat trick."</i> Ramesh Ponunuru did the same with "Party of Death." “It is a neat trick.”

Ramesh Ponunuru did the same with “Party of Death.”

]]> By: fardels bear http://crookedtimber.org/2008/01/21/eminently-fair-and-gracious-and-typically-thoughtful/comment-page-1/#comment-225167 fardels bear Tue, 22 Jan 2008 03:13:36 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2008/01/21/eminently-fair-and-gracious-and-typically-thoughtful/#comment-225167 Goldberg is following in the long rightwing "think" tank tradition of offering up caveats that are ignored in the main text of the book but offered up in subsequent interviews or defenses of the book as evidence that the author is being mistreated. I think this might have started with THE BELL CURVE which has a few sentences declaring that blacks and whites are intellectual equals just before 4 consecutive chapters attempting to prove that blacks are inferior intellectually. Goldberg is simply doing the same thing: offer a few sentences denying that liberals are fascists. Then spend a few hundred explaining that liberals ARE fascists. Then, when an interviewer or reviewer points out that Goldberg is claiming liberals are fascists, he points to the few sentences with outrage that his thesis is, of course, not so outrageous. It is a neat trick. Goldberg is following in the long rightwing “think” tank tradition of offering up caveats that are ignored in the main text of the book but offered up in subsequent interviews or defenses of the book as evidence that the author is being mistreated.

I think this might have started with THE BELL CURVE which has a few sentences declaring that blacks and whites are intellectual equals just before 4 consecutive chapters attempting to prove that blacks are inferior intellectually.

Goldberg is simply doing the same thing: offer a few sentences denying that liberals are fascists. Then spend a few hundred explaining that liberals ARE fascists. Then, when an interviewer or reviewer points out that Goldberg is claiming liberals are fascists, he points to the few sentences with outrage that his thesis is, of course, not so outrageous. It is a neat trick.

]]> By: Fats Durston http://crookedtimber.org/2008/01/21/eminently-fair-and-gracious-and-typically-thoughtful/comment-page-1/#comment-225165 Fats Durston Tue, 22 Jan 2008 02:27:09 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2008/01/21/eminently-fair-and-gracious-and-typically-thoughtful/#comment-225165 A New Book is on the horizon, my friends: the perfect antidote to <i>Liberal Fascism</i>. The notes--never made before with such detail or care, natch, are collected <a href="http://helpychalk.blogspot.com/2008/01/republican-communism-cover-toc-and.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>. A New Book is on the horizon, my friends: the perfect antidote to Liberal Fascism. The notes—never made before with such detail or care, natch, are collected here.

]]> By: blog http://crookedtimber.org/2008/01/21/eminently-fair-and-gracious-and-typically-thoughtful/comment-page-1/#comment-225159 blog Tue, 22 Jan 2008 01:19:24 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2008/01/21/eminently-fair-and-gracious-and-typically-thoughtful/#comment-225159 Is the desire for world domination fascistic? I would say yes. It was characteristic of the insanity that enveloped fascist Germany and Italy. Who in the US has explicitly expressed this desire? The signatories of PNAC. Are they liberal or conservative? Is the desire for world domination fascistic? I would say yes. It was characteristic of the insanity that enveloped fascist Germany and Italy. Who in the US has explicitly expressed this desire? The signatories of PNAC. Are they liberal or conservative?

]]> By: blog http://crookedtimber.org/2008/01/21/eminently-fair-and-gracious-and-typically-thoughtful/comment-page-1/#comment-225157 blog Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:49:55 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2008/01/21/eminently-fair-and-gracious-and-typically-thoughtful/#comment-225157 Another way to look at this: those evil fascists, to the extent that there was a bit of sanity in them, had traits that mimicked liberal traits. To the extent they were rascist, ultranationalistic, ultrauthoritarian, militaristic, fuhrer worshipping, psychopathic, lying murderers, pillagers and torturers they had traits that mimicked conservative traits. Another way to look at this: those evil fascists, to the extent that there was a bit of sanity in them, had traits that mimicked liberal traits. To the extent they were rascist, ultranationalistic, ultrauthoritarian, militaristic, fuhrer worshipping, psychopathic, lying murderers, pillagers and torturers they had traits that mimicked conservative traits.

]]> By: blog http://crookedtimber.org/2008/01/21/eminently-fair-and-gracious-and-typically-thoughtful/comment-page-1/#comment-225155 blog Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:32:32 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2008/01/21/eminently-fair-and-gracious-and-typically-thoughtful/#comment-225155 There are many amusing ways to look at this. If JG's contention is that liberals are fascists without the evil, does that make conservatives fascists who embrace the evil? There are many amusing ways to look at this. If JG’s contention is that liberals are fascists without the evil, does that make conservatives fascists who embrace the evil?

]]> By: Martin G. http://crookedtimber.org/2008/01/21/eminently-fair-and-gracious-and-typically-thoughtful/comment-page-1/#comment-225149 Martin G. Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:42:38 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2008/01/21/eminently-fair-and-gracious-and-typically-thoughtful/#comment-225149 Then, of course, there was "the Daily Show interview":http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=147884&title=jonah-goldberg It's like driving past a traffic accident. You can't _not_ slow down and look. Then, of course, there was the Daily Show interview It’s like driving past a traffic accident. You can’t not slow down and look.

]]> By: blog http://crookedtimber.org/2008/01/21/eminently-fair-and-gracious-and-typically-thoughtful/comment-page-1/#comment-225144 blog Mon, 21 Jan 2008 20:35:32 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2008/01/21/eminently-fair-and-gracious-and-typically-thoughtful/#comment-225144 Meanwhile we have the glorious proto-fascistic outcomes of conservatism staring us right in the face: pre-emptive wars based on lies, mass surveillance, mass propaganda, mass suppression of the truth and perception manipulation,torture, gulag archipelagos worthy of Stalin and corpartism run rampant. Meanwhile we have the glorious proto-fascistic outcomes of conservatism staring us right in the face: pre-emptive wars based on lies, mass surveillance, mass propaganda, mass suppression of the truth and perception manipulation,torture, gulag archipelagos worthy of Stalin and corpartism run rampant.

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