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		<title>By: richard</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/02/06/tentacle-porn/comment-page-2/#comment-227439</link>
		<dc:creator>richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 17:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>51: by &quot;adoptive nation&quot; I actually mean the sort of mythic anglo-germany he invented for himself. 
52: exactly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>51: by &#8220;adoptive nation&#8221; I actually mean the sort of mythic anglo-germany he invented for himself.<br />
52: exactly.</p>
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		<title>By: SG</title>
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		<dc:creator>SG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 01:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lemuel, I really want to see that tv adaptation, I heard it was good. Maybe I&#039;ll do a bittorrent check...

richard, I think the majority of images attached to tolkien are by alan lee (dale?) who was also involved with the movie sets. They&#039;re very far from vallejo and D&amp;D - D&amp;D images are more aimed at the Dragonlance style of novels (which, incidentally, I would love to see as movies) and Vallejo at the Swords and Sorcery thing. I think that Alan Lee&#039;s images suit most people&#039;s vision of Tolkien quite well. I also don&#039;t think that a sensitive reading of Tolkien&#039;s dwarves and elves leads to a very &quot;operatic&quot; or D&amp;D interpretation. If you read the old Middle Earth Role-playing books they have some beautiful pictures of elves in them, and they really do look like strange and alien creatures, not just short pretty girls like in D&amp;D. To his credit, Peter Jackson tried to stick to this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>lemuel, I really want to see that tv adaptation, I heard it was good. Maybe I&#8217;ll do a bittorrent check&#8230;</p>

	<p>richard, I think the majority of images attached to tolkien are by alan lee (dale?) who was also involved with the movie sets. They&#8217;re very far from vallejo and D&#038;D &#8211; D&#038;D images are more aimed at the Dragonlance style of novels (which, incidentally, I would love to see as movies) and Vallejo at the Swords and Sorcery thing. I think that Alan Lee&#8217;s images suit most people&#8217;s vision of Tolkien quite well. I also don&#8217;t think that a sensitive reading of Tolkien&#8217;s dwarves and elves leads to a very &#8220;operatic&#8221; or D&#038;D interpretation. If you read the old Middle Earth Role-playing books they have some beautiful pictures of elves in them, and they really do look like strange and alien creatures, not just short pretty girls like in D&#038;D. To his credit, Peter Jackson tried to stick to this.</p>
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		<title>By: roac</title>
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		<dc:creator>roac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 19:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;adoptive nation&quot;?  Is that about the fact that Tolkien was born in South Africa?  His parents were both English and he returned to England as a small boy.  He considered himself to be as as English as anyone could be, and would have looked on anybody who described him as an immigrant as a raving lunatic.  (I don&#039;t know, but I doubt very much whether being born in what was then a colony affected his status as a British subject in the slightest.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;adoptive nation&#8221;?  Is that about the fact that Tolkien was born in South Africa?  His parents were both English and he returned to England as a small boy.  He considered himself to be as as English as anyone could be, and would have looked on anybody who described him as an immigrant as a raving lunatic.  (I don&#8217;t know, but I doubt very much whether being born in what was then a colony affected his status as a British subject in the slightest.)</p>
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		<title>By: richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 18:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Jackson on the Balrog: the heat shimmer  from the mouth sells it. Everything else is dressing.

Also, if you scratch the demon then it&#039;s hard to do that whole gotterdammerung Dore-meets Wagner sequence of falling out of the bottom of the world, which reminds your audience of the other Ring, and Tolkein&#039;s affinity for a rather late 19th century Teutonic romantic sensibility. Personally, I find Tolkein&#039;s position vis a vis this theatrical tradition of Germanic mythmaking one of the most interesting things about him. You can see him trying to excavate all these ideas for himself, trying to de-Grimm the folklore of his adoptive nation without merely recasting it in the image of his own age, but you can also see how those elves and dwarves resist his efforts, how the shreds of operatic costume cling to them. Jackson faces another iteration of the same problem, trying to wrest Tolkein away from the images of D&amp;D and Boris Vallejo. I think the Balrog&#039;s quite a smart response to all of that: it first appears as a D&amp;D cliche, then Falls, evoking this older tradition,  all in dreamy post-hoc narration, and is finally dismissed by Gandalf with a firm &#039;to business.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I agree with Jackson on the Balrog: the heat shimmer  from the mouth sells it. Everything else is dressing.</p>

	<p>Also, if you scratch the demon then it&#8217;s hard to do that whole gotterdammerung Dore-meets Wagner sequence of falling out of the bottom of the world, which reminds your audience of the other Ring, and Tolkein&#8217;s affinity for a rather late 19th century Teutonic romantic sensibility. Personally, I find Tolkein&#8217;s position vis a vis this theatrical tradition of Germanic mythmaking one of the most interesting things about him. You can see him trying to excavate all these ideas for himself, trying to de-Grimm the folklore of his adoptive nation without merely recasting it in the image of his own age, but you can also see how those elves and dwarves resist his efforts, how the shreds of operatic costume cling to them. Jackson faces another iteration of the same problem, trying to wrest Tolkein away from the images of D&#038;D and Boris Vallejo. I think the Balrog&#8217;s quite a smart response to all of that: it first appears as a D&#038;D cliche, then Falls, evoking this older tradition,  all in dreamy post-hoc narration, and is finally dismissed by Gandalf with a firm &#8216;to business.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: lemuel pitkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>lemuel pitkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 16:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(I mean the 1980 one, not the later one, which I haven&#039;t seen.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>(I mean the 1980 one, not the later one, which I haven&#8217;t seen.)</p>
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		<title>By: lemuel pitkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>lemuel pitkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 16:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And while we’re at it, maybe Ang Lee should make “The Left Hand of Darkness”, and that chap who did “Children of Men” could make “The Dispossessed”.&lt;/i&gt;

Don&#039;t forget the surprisingly good TV adaptation of The Lathe of Heaven....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>And while we&#8217;re at it, maybe Ang Lee should make &#8220;The Left Hand of Darkness&#8221;, and that chap who did &#8220;Children of Men&#8221; could make &#8220;The Dispossessed&#8221;.</i></p>

	<p>Don&#8217;t forget the surprisingly good TV adaptation of The Lathe of Heaven&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: SG</title>
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		<dc:creator>SG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 01:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boyens dropped off the sci-fi channel script, which is probably why Ged ended up being white. Unfortunately Miyazaki&#039;s version is &lt;i&gt;Goro&lt;/i&gt; Miyazaki, not his illustrious (and oh! so wonderful!) father Hayao, so the movie didn&#039;t live up to the hype. I only watched it in Japanese and didn&#039;t understand a word, but Ms. le Guin has seen a translated version and was rather critical (see her webpage for more details). Though the dragon was excellent. 

The sad thing is that Miyazaki Hayao asked Ms. le Guin years ago for the rights to WoE, and she said no because she wasn&#039;t familiar with his work and thought &quot;cartoon&quot; meant disney. Ah, sometimes cultural ignorance is a terrible thing. Had he made Wizard of Earthsea in his prime (at the time of Nausicaa or even Spirited Away) we would finally have what the world needs.

But since it&#039;s too late for that, I think Peter Jackson should drop all his other projects, suck in all the spare capital in the whole world, and finally make a perfect movie version of a perfect book.

And while we&#039;re at it, maybe Ang Lee should make &quot;The Left Hand of Darkness&quot;, and that chap who did &quot;Children of Men&quot; could make &quot;The Dispossessed&quot;. Governments should mandate this sort of thing...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Boyens dropped off the sci-fi channel script, which is probably why Ged ended up being white. Unfortunately Miyazaki&#8217;s version is <i>Goro</i> Miyazaki, not his illustrious (and oh! so wonderful!) father Hayao, so the movie didn&#8217;t live up to the hype. I only watched it in Japanese and didn&#8217;t understand a word, but Ms. le Guin has seen a translated version and was rather critical (see her webpage for more details). Though the dragon was excellent.</p>

	<p>The sad thing is that Miyazaki Hayao asked Ms. le Guin years ago for the rights to WoE, and she said no because she wasn&#8217;t familiar with his work and thought &#8220;cartoon&#8221; meant disney. Ah, sometimes cultural ignorance is a terrible thing. Had he made Wizard of Earthsea in his prime (at the time of Nausicaa or even Spirited Away) we would finally have what the world needs.</p>

	<p>But since it&#8217;s too late for that, I think Peter Jackson should drop all his other projects, suck in all the spare capital in the whole world, and finally make a perfect movie version of a perfect book.</p>

	<p>And while we&#8217;re at it, maybe Ang Lee should make &#8220;The Left Hand of Darkness&#8221;, and that chap who did &#8220;Children of Men&#8221; could make &#8220;The Dispossessed&#8221;. Governments should mandate this sort of thing&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 19:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wasn&#039;t sneering at Esther Friesner, I don&#039;t think, more just having my mind blown by the thought of Elder Thing romance novels ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I wasn&#8217;t sneering at Esther Friesner, I don&#8217;t think, more just having my mind blown by the thought of Elder Thing romance novels &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: roac</title>
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		<dc:creator>roac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 16:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>43:  Yes, the late Michael Powell was interested in filming Earthsea, and had gotten Philippa Boyens to do a script.  Information is on LeGuin&#039;s website somewhere; the project is also mentioned in Powell&#039;s autobiography.  (I seem to recall that, like the SciFi Channel atrocity, the film was to cover both the first two books.)

Speaking of Boyens, and speaking of The Hobbit, I am much more interested in knowing whether she is still on board than in who the director will be.  She was the Tolkienist on the LotR project, which I believe she kept on track at important junctures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>43:  Yes, the late Michael Powell was interested in filming Earthsea, and had gotten Philippa Boyens to do a script.  Information is on LeGuin&#8217;s website somewhere; the project is also mentioned in Powell&#8217;s autobiography.  (I seem to recall that, like the SciFi Channel atrocity, the film was to cover both the first two books.)</p>

	<p>Speaking of Boyens, and speaking of The Hobbit, I am much more interested in knowing whether she is still on board than in who the director will be.  She was the Tolkienist on the LotR project, which I believe she kept on track at important junctures.</p>
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		<title>By: Lionel Trilling</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lionel Trilling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 15:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, Miyazaki&#039;s version of Wizard of Earthsea should be released in the U.S. round 2009, after sci-fi channels U.S. right expire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oh, Miyazaki&#8217;s version of Wizard of Earthsea should be released in the U.S. round 2009, after sci-fi channels U.S. right expire.</p>
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		<title>By: Lionel Trilling</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lionel Trilling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 15:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I still don’t understand why Peter Jackson is wasting his time on movies like this (and King Kong etc.) when there is yet to be a decent version of A wizard of Earthsea. If ever a movie cried out for Peter Jackson…&quot;

Wasn&#039;t his co-author on the script workin gon a version? Perhaps Sci-Fi channel ungodly fuck-up of novel screwed that deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;I still don&#8217;t understand why Peter Jackson is wasting his time on movies like this (and King Kong etc.) when there is yet to be a decent version of A wizard of Earthsea. If ever a movie cried out for Peter Jackson&#8230;&#8221;</p>

	<p>Wasn&#8217;t his co-author on the script workin gon a version? Perhaps Sci-Fi channel ungodly fuck-up of novel screwed that deal.</p>
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		<title>By: Lionel Trilling</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lionel Trilling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 15:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why wasn&#039;t Cthulhu on the primary ballots?

http://catalog.chaosium.com/product_info.php?products_id=575</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Why wasn&#8217;t Cthulhu on the primary ballots?</p>

	<p><a href="http://catalog.chaosium.com/product_info.php?products_id=575" rel="nofollow">http://catalog.chaosium.com/product_info.php?products_id=575</a></p>
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		<title>By: ScentOfViolets</title>
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		<dc:creator>ScentOfViolets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 15:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems that a lot of gods have been diffusing past and through each other into popular culture recently - I of course blame the intertubes.  In my office I have pair of plush dolls, the images of Cthulu and Ganesh.  Above them are the labels Goofus and Gallant, and to the side the legend &quot;There&#039;s one in every family&quot;.

Hmmm ... some combinations are worse than others.  &quot;Hercules vs Azathoth&quot;  might be campy, but &quot;My Dinner with Nyarlathotep&quot; (with Wallace Shawn, of course), well, I&#039;ll leave that to your imagination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It seems that a lot of gods have been diffusing past and through each other into popular culture recently &#8211; I of course blame the intertubes.  In my office I have pair of plush dolls, the images of Cthulu and Ganesh.  Above them are the labels Goofus and Gallant, and to the side the legend &#8220;There&#8217;s one in every family&#8221;.</p>

	<p>Hmmm &#8230; some combinations are worse than others.  &#8220;Hercules vs Azathoth&#8221;  might be campy, but &#8220;My Dinner with Nyarlathotep&#8221; (with Wallace Shawn, of course), well, I&#8217;ll leave that to your imagination.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 13:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>39: We could tell you, but you might be reduced to gibbering madness...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>39: We could tell you, but you might be reduced to gibbering madness&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: PL</title>
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		<dc:creator>PL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 13:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>H.P. Lovecraft was a teetotaller; what was he doing in a bar?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>H.P. Lovecraft was a teetotaller; what was he doing in a bar?</p>
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