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	<title>Comments on: Who are the members of the US foreign policy community?</title>
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		<title>By: e julius drivingstorm</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/02/14/who-are-the-members-of-the-us-foreign-policy-community/comment-page-1/#comment-228410</link>
		<dc:creator>e julius drivingstorm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 09:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps if you yourself wanted to become a card-carrying member of the FPC, you need only determine something the administration is predisposed to do and write a paper strongly supporting or ineffectually opposing its imminent action.  They&#039;ll find you on Google.

I have some ideas myself.  I just don&#039;t want to give them any.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Perhaps if you yourself wanted to become a card-carrying member of the <span class="caps">FPC</span>, you need only determine something the administration is predisposed to do and write a paper strongly supporting or ineffectually opposing its imminent action.  They&#8217;ll find you on Google.</p>

	<p>I have some ideas myself.  I just don&#8217;t want to give them any.</p>
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		<title>By: samm</title>
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		<dc:creator>samm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 00:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My opinion about foreign policy journals: Foreign Policy is the most consistent. I subscribed to most during the last two years. I am still trying to get my refund back from The American Interest, six months now. I grown tired of Holocaust stories.

There are so many other problems around the world that they should be writing about each quarter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>My opinion about foreign policy journals: Foreign Policy is the most consistent. I subscribed to most during the last two years. I am still trying to get my refund back from The American Interest, six months now. I grown tired of Holocaust stories.</p>

	<p>There are so many other problems around the world that they should be writing about each quarter.</p>
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		<title>By: Weston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike!

Maybe you&#039;re joking. But if not, Henry &lt;i&gt;did&lt;/i&gt; say the journal test was a rough and ready mechanism.  It should also be pointed out that Foreign Affairs probably wouldn&#039;t have gone anywhere near Huckabee&#039;s piece if he hadn&#039;t been a viable candidate for the presidency; and if he were to become president (please God, no) he would thereby become a de facto member of the FPC.  Maybe this even supports Henry&#039;s case, if candidate essays in FA should be thought of as a sort of &#039;application&#039; for membership in the community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Mike!</p>

	<p>Maybe you&#8217;re joking. But if not, Henry <i>did</i> say the journal test was a rough and ready mechanism.  It should also be pointed out that Foreign Affairs probably wouldn&#8217;t have gone anywhere near Huckabee&#8217;s piece if he hadn&#8217;t been a viable candidate for the presidency; and if he were to become president (please God, no) he would thereby become a de facto member of the <span class="caps">FPC</span>.  Maybe this even supports Henry&#8217;s case, if candidate essays in FA should be thought of as a sort of &#8216;application&#8217; for membership in the community.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Otsuka</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/02/14/who-are-the-members-of-the-us-foreign-policy-community/comment-page-1/#comment-228215</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Otsuka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Anyone who has a credible chance of being able to publish a single authored article in one of a small number of key journals qualifies as a member of the foreign policy community. The list of journals would certainly include &lt;/i&gt;Foreign Affairs &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; Foreign Policy.

So Mike Huckabee, sole author (if the byline is to believed) of a piece in the Jan/Feb issue of &lt;i&gt;Foreign Affairs,&lt;/i&gt; is, or at least recently was, a member of the FPC!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Anyone who has a credible chance of being able to publish a single authored article in one of a small number of key journals qualifies as a member of the foreign policy community. The list of journals would certainly include </i>Foreign Affairs <i>and</i> Foreign Policy.</p>

	<p>So Mike Huckabee, sole author (if the byline is to believed) of a piece in the Jan/Feb issue of <i>Foreign Affairs,</i> is, or at least recently was, a member of the <span class="caps">FPC</span><img src="!" alt="" border="0" /></p>
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		<title>By: otto</title>
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		<dc:creator>otto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Somehow this supports the feeling that there are other, silent people who really know their stuff and are the real power&lt;/i&gt;

There are people who really know their stuff and there are people who are the real power, but these are two entirely separate groups. 

The first is probably best characterised by top scholars at leading research universities plus one or two outsiders; the latter by organised interests such as arms manufacturers, the cuban lobby etc. Foreign Affairs is the meeting point - the intersection - between the two, where people who are reasonably knowledgeable who also advocate policy views that are compatible with US political biases publish and mingle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Somehow this supports the feeling that there are other, silent people who really know their stuff and are the real power</i></p>

	<p>There are people who really know their stuff and there are people who are the real power, but these are two entirely separate groups.</p>

	<p>The first is probably best characterised by top scholars at leading research universities plus one or two outsiders; the latter by organised interests such as arms manufacturers, the cuban lobby etc. Foreign Affairs is the meeting point &#8211; the intersection &#8211; between the two, where people who are reasonably knowledgeable who also advocate policy views that are compatible with US political biases publish and mingle.</p>
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		<title>By: Dhez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dhez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>greatzamfir, Foreign Affairs is THE foreign policy magazine. It is the trendsetter for U.S. international relations. When you say there are others behind the scenes, well look no further than who publishes Foreign Affairs - The Council on Foreign Relations. Of course, if you were to mention who publishes FA you&#039;d be screamed down by right-wing pundits as a &quot;conspiracy theorist&quot; (because apparently there are no powerful people who meet in roundtables and discuss how the planet is going, because you know, nothing on planet earth is planned or thought about from a macro perspective because that is God&#039;s job).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>greatzamfir, Foreign Affairs is <span class="caps">THE</span> foreign policy magazine. It is the trendsetter for U.S. international relations. When you say there are others behind the scenes, well look no further than who publishes Foreign Affairs &#8211; The Council on Foreign Relations. Of course, if you were to mention who publishes FA you&#8217;d be screamed down by right-wing pundits as a &#8220;conspiracy theorist&#8221; (because apparently there are no powerful people who meet in roundtables and discuss how the planet is going, because you know, nothing on planet earth is planned or thought about from a macro perspective because that is God&#8217;s job).</p>
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		<title>By: GreatZamfir</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/02/14/who-are-the-members-of-the-us-foreign-policy-community/comment-page-1/#comment-228205</link>
		<dc:creator>GreatZamfir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are the people who write in Foreign Affairs really the most important people in foreign policy? When reading some of their articles, especially more generalizing pieces, I am usually left thinking &quot; you know more about this than I do, but I hope there are people who know more than you&quot;. Somehow this supports the feeling that there are other, silent people who really know their stuff and are the real power.

Bu I realize this might be like onion peeling: if you look behind th opions to find the real decision makers, there might be nothing in the core.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Are the people who write in Foreign Affairs really the most important people in foreign policy? When reading some of their articles, especially more generalizing pieces, I am usually left thinking &#8221; you know more about this than I do, but I hope there are people who know more than you&#8221;. Somehow this supports the feeling that there are other, silent people who really know their stuff and are the real power.</p>

	<p>Bu I realize this might be like onion peeling: if you look behind th opions to find the real decision makers, there might be nothing in the core.</p>
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		<title>By: Dissing Michael O&#8217;Hanlon : Global Dashboard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dissing Michael O&#8217;Hanlon : Global Dashboard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Farrell at Crooked Timber is wondering who counts as the &#8220;foreign policy community&#8221;: Given the vagueness of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: otto</title>
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		<dc:creator>otto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;One aspect of the FPC is how right-wing on average it is&lt;/i&gt;

One aspect of American politics as a whole is how right wing on average it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>One aspect of the <span class="caps">FPC</span> is how right-wing on average it is</i></p>

	<p>One aspect of American politics as a whole is how right wing on average it is.</p>
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		<title>By: SG</title>
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		<dc:creator>SG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 00:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny, I thought a member of the FPC was anyone who was willing to believe everything their government told them, accept &quot;intelligence&quot; uncritically, demonise nations and races according to the latest interests of their government, and lead us into trumped up, patently and obviously stupid wars for nothing more than a think-tank sinecure. Aren&#039;t those credentials enough?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Funny, I thought a member of the <span class="caps">FPC</span> was anyone who was willing to believe everything their government told them, accept &#8220;intelligence&#8221; uncritically, demonise nations and races according to the latest interests of their government, and lead us into trumped up, patently and obviously stupid wars for nothing more than a think-tank sinecure. Aren&#8217;t those credentials enough?</p>
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		<title>By: P O'Neill</title>
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		<dc:creator>P O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One aspect of the FPC is how right-wing on average it is.  The Atrios joke about how the range of acceptable opinion runs from The New Republic to Free Republic.  This can lead to a situation where someone who surely has the right credentials is not in the FPC because they are too &quot;left&quot;.  Note for instance the &lt;a href=&quot;http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YWM0YjI0ZWQ4NmI1MzQ2YTM1NWMxZDE4MDIzMzk4OTM=&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;apparent attempt&lt;/a&gt; to tag Samantha Power (advising Obama) as outside the range of acceptable opinion over one quote about that business in Jenin a few years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>One aspect of the <span class="caps">FPC</span> is how right-wing on average it is.  The Atrios joke about how the range of acceptable opinion runs from The New Republic to Free Republic.  This can lead to a situation where someone who surely has the right credentials is not in the <span class="caps">FPC</span> because they are too &#8220;left&#8221;.  Note for instance the <a href="http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YWM0YjI0ZWQ4NmI1MzQ2YTM1NWMxZDE4MDIzMzk4OTM=" rel="nofollow">apparent attempt</a> to tag Samantha Power (advising Obama) as outside the range of acceptable opinion over one quote about that business in Jenin a few years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: otto</title>
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		<dc:creator>otto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The FPC is more or less defined by the scope of acceptable debate of the US political parties (i.e. the policies they currently hold, and the limited set of alternatives considered worthy of debate). The reason why the FPC spread of opinion seems to be truncated by O&#039;Hanlon at one end and Kristol at the other, is that that is the range of opinions acceptable to the political parties, who in turn are much more affected by single-issue lobbies, including ethnic lobbies and arms manufacturers (or their fronts). 

I certainly don&#039;t think political scientists - even IR scholars - are part of the FPC, since their views often fall well outside the scope of acceptable debate as the political parties define it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The <span class="caps">FPC</span> is more or less defined by the scope of acceptable debate of the US political parties (i.e. the policies they currently hold, and the limited set of alternatives considered worthy of debate). The reason why the <span class="caps">FPC</span> spread of opinion seems to be truncated by O&#8217;Hanlon at one end and Kristol at the other, is that that is the range of opinions acceptable to the political parties, who in turn are much more affected by single-issue lobbies, including ethnic lobbies and arms manufacturers (or their fronts).</p>

	<p>I certainly don&#8217;t think political scientists &#8211; even IR scholars &#8211; are part of the <span class="caps">FPC</span>, since their views often fall well outside the scope of acceptable debate as the political parties define it.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Schmidt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Schmidt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Credentialing is good.  Getting rid of O&#039;Hanlon is almost better.

This seems like the perfect case for a journalist who&#039;s trusted by the FPC to do an anonymous survey of a decent number of them about O&#039;Hanlon, and publish the results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Credentialing is good.  Getting rid of O&#8217;Hanlon is almost better.</p>

	<p>This seems like the perfect case for a journalist who&#8217;s trusted by the <span class="caps">FPC</span> to do an anonymous survey of a decent number of them about O&#8217;Hanlon, and publish the results.</p>
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