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	<title>Comments on: Having your cake, eating it, and securitizing it as an asset while you&#8217;re at it</title>
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		<title>By: lemuel pitkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>lemuel pitkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Quo Vadis and Ragout, this criticism seems overblown.

One of the main effects of a campaign finance system is to encourage people to enter (or remain in) a campaign who otherwise wouldn&#039;t. Indeed, if campaign finance doesn&#039;t have this effect, it&#039;s a failure.

Suppose someone is considering getting into a race and, to raise early money, offers lenders a claim on later public financing. Such an arrangement seems essentially identical to what McCain did here, and might well be necessary for a candidate without deep pockets to take part in a comeptitive campaign.

What Schmitt (who I generally like) calls &quot;a promise to perpetuate a fraud on the American taxpayers&quot; sounds to me like &quot;a promise to stay in the race when he might otherwise drop out&quot;, which, given McCain&#039;s movement from dead-in-the-water to presumptive nominee, seems like exactly the sort of outcome the public financing system ought to produce.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I agree with Quo Vadis and Ragout, this criticism seems overblown.</p>

	<p>One of the main effects of a campaign finance system is to encourage people to enter (or remain in) a campaign who otherwise wouldn&#8217;t. Indeed, if campaign finance doesn&#8217;t have this effect, it&#8217;s a failure.</p>

	<p>Suppose someone is considering getting into a race and, to raise early money, offers lenders a claim on later public financing. Such an arrangement seems essentially identical to what McCain did here, and might well be necessary for a candidate without deep pockets to take part in a comeptitive campaign.</p>

	<p>What Schmitt (who I generally like) calls &#8220;a promise to perpetuate a fraud on the American taxpayers&#8221; sounds to me like &#8220;a promise to stay in the race when he might otherwise drop out&#8221;, which, given McCain&#8217;s movement from dead-in-the-water to presumptive nominee, seems like exactly the sort of outcome the public financing system ought to produce.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Hughes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post reminds me how much people ignore the role that money plays in elections and how much it motivates the political decisions of candidates. We too often take things at face-value, when that is not usually the case even when about when a candidate decides to drop out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This post reminds me how much people ignore the role that money plays in elections and how much it motivates the political decisions of candidates. We too often take things at face-value, when that is not usually the case even when about when a candidate decides to drop out.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Kvetch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncle Kvetch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 18:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Kristof piece is a thing of beauty: A breathless encomium to McCain&#039;s courage and stalwartness--he&#039;s led the fight against torture, for God&#039;s sake!!--followed by an acknowledgment that McCain voted for torture just last week, but hey, what are you going to do, he&#039;s still a politician after all.

And this from The Newspaper of Record. Maybe a McCain presidency is the best this country deserves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The Kristof piece is a thing of beauty: A breathless encomium to McCain&#8217;s courage and stalwartness&#8212;he&#8217;s led the fight against torture, for God&#8217;s sake!!&#8212;followed by an acknowledgment that McCain voted for torture just last week, but hey, what are you going to do, he&#8217;s still a politician after all.</p>

	<p>And this from The Newspaper of Record. Maybe a McCain presidency is the best this country deserves.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McCain&#039;s name isn&#039;t synonymous with &quot;limits on campaign spending.&quot;  

I don&#039;t think the &quot;McCain&#039;s lawyers are better than the other candidates&#039;&quot; is a particularly damning criticism.  But, then again, I am a lawyer, and a good one, so it&#039;s in my interest to say that sort of thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>McCain&#8217;s name isn&#8217;t synonymous with &#8220;limits on campaign spending.&#8221;</p>

	<p>I don&#8217;t think the &#8220;McCain&#8217;s lawyers are better than the other candidates&#8217;&#8221; is a particularly damning criticism.  But, then again, I am a lawyer, and a good one, so it&#8217;s in my interest to say that sort of thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;That seems to be accurate, and not too hard for the NY Times readership. But I still don’t expect to see it run any time soon.&quot;

Posted by John Quiggin

Or course, the &#039;too hard&#039; doesn&#039;t refer to the readership, nor to the reporters, and probably not even to the editors of the NYT.  My guess is that the senior editors, publishers and owners find such things &#039;too hard&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;That seems to be accurate, and not too hard for the <span class="caps">NY </span>Times readership. But I still don&#8217;t expect to see it run any time soon.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Posted by John Quiggin</p>

	<p>Or course, the &#8216;too hard&#8217; doesn&#8217;t refer to the readership, nor to the reporters, and probably not even to the editors of the <span class="caps">NYT</span>.  My guess is that the senior editors, publishers and owners find such things &#8216;too hard&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve LaBonne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve LaBonne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can McCain possibly be a hypocrite? Why, our Very Serious Political Reporters have anointed him as the very incarnation of Straight Talk! When he goes back on his word it&#039;s only out of dire necessity! And this only happens... well... &lt;i&gt;all the time&lt;/i&gt;...

I just can&#039;t wait for the general election campaign, when the Very Serious Media will turn on their current darling, Obama, with a  vengeance, while continuing to give Saint McCain a free pass. Ugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>How can McCain possibly be a hypocrite? Why, our Very Serious Political Reporters have anointed him as the very incarnation of Straight Talk! When he goes back on his word it&#8217;s only out of dire necessity! And this only happens&#8230; well&#8230; <i>all the time</i>&#8230;</p>

	<p>I just can&#8217;t wait for the general election campaign, when the Very Serious Media will turn on their current darling, Obama, with a  vengeance, while continuing to give Saint McCain a free pass. Ugh.</p>
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		<title>By: Ragout</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ragout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;That would be the McCain/Feingold public campaign funding system?&lt;/i&gt;

No, McCain-Feingold is about contribution limits, not public campaign financing.  So McCain&#039;s not a hypocrite!  We can all breath easy now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>That would be the McCain/Feingold public campaign funding system?</i></p>

	<p>No, McCain-Feingold is about contribution limits, not public campaign financing.  So McCain&#8217;s not a hypocrite!  We can all breath easy now!</p>
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		<title>By: Ragout</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ragout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trying to improve a little on ~~~~ 

&lt;blockquote&gt;McCain took over $100,000 in campaign contributions from banker Charles Keating, and also flew to Bermuda numerous times in Keating&#039;s private jet. When federal regulators tried to seize Keating&#039;s bank, McCain urged them to back off.  Keating was eventually convicted of bilking 21,000 mostly elderly investors of their life savings, and served 4 years in jail for fraud.  McCain is also believed to be a hypocrite, as he later supported campaign finance reform.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Hmm, maybe that last sentence could be cut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Trying to improve a little on ~~~~</p>

	<p><blockquote>McCain took over $100,000 in campaign contributions from banker Charles Keating, and also flew to Bermuda numerous times in Keating&#8217;s private jet. When federal regulators tried to seize Keating&#8217;s bank, McCain urged them to back off.  Keating was eventually convicted of bilking 21,000 mostly elderly investors of their life savings, and served 4 years in jail for fraud.  McCain is also believed to be a hypocrite, as he later supported campaign finance reform.</blockquote><br />
Hmm, maybe that last sentence could be cut.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Weiner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Weiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should say &lt;i&gt;de facto&lt;/i&gt; if not &lt;i&gt;de jure&lt;/i&gt;; one of Schmitt&#039;s points is that the law is fuzzy here. The Federal Elections Commission has been &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.campaignlegalcenter.org/press-3043.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sabotaged&lt;/a&gt; by Republicans&#039; refusal to confirm any nominees if they can&#039;t have the egregious vote-suppressor Hans von Spakovsky on the FEC. So there&#039;s little prospect of resolving whether McCain&#039;s scheme was illegal, or sanctioning him if it was.

In any case, if McCain is going to run as a straight-talking campaign finance reformer, it&#039;s worth pointing out that he used a scheme as convoluted and shady as a subprime mortgage to subvert the campaign finance system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Should say <i>de facto</i> if not <i>de jure</i>; one of Schmitt&#8217;s points is that the law is fuzzy here. The Federal Elections Commission has been <a href="http://www.campaignlegalcenter.org/press-3043.html" rel="nofollow">sabotaged</a> by Republicans&#8217; refusal to confirm any nominees if they can&#8217;t have the egregious vote-suppressor Hans von Spakovsky on the <span class="caps">FEC</span>. So there&#8217;s little prospect of resolving whether McCain&#8217;s scheme was illegal, or sanctioning him if it was.</p>

	<p>In any case, if McCain is going to run as a straight-talking campaign finance reformer, it&#8217;s worth pointing out that he used a scheme as convoluted and shady as a subprime mortgage to subvert the campaign finance system.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Weiner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Weiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Obviously the Republicans are going to bend and break the rules as much as they can.&lt;/i&gt;

Sure, but they should be condemned when they do so. In this case, McCain was specifically forbidden from using potential matching funds as collateral for a loan and then opting out of the public funding system. He did so &lt;i&gt;de facto&lt;/i&gt; but not &lt;i&gt;de jure&lt;/i&gt;. And now he&#039;s attacking Obama for alleged hypocrisy on taking public funds. Why not point out that he&#039;s not clean on the issue?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Obviously the Republicans are going to bend and break the rules as much as they can.</i></p>

	<p>Sure, but they should be condemned when they do so. In this case, McCain was specifically forbidden from using potential matching funds as collateral for a loan and then opting out of the public funding system. He did so <i>de facto</i> but not <i>de jure</i>. And now he&#8217;s attacking Obama for alleged hypocrisy on taking public funds. Why not point out that he&#8217;s not clean on the issue?</p>
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		<title>By: dsquared</title>
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		<dc:creator>dsquared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It’s the public campaign funding system that deserves criticism here, not McCain.&lt;/i&gt;

That would be the &lt;b&gt;McCain&lt;/b&gt;/Feingold public campaign funding system?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>It&#8217;s the public campaign funding system that deserves criticism here, not McCain.</i></p>

	<p>That would be the <b>McCain</b>/Feingold public campaign funding system?</p>
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		<title>By: Ragout</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ragout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;don’t you think that presidential candidates should play by the book, and not bend rules as far he can manage?&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s loser talk.  Obviously the Republicans are going to bend and break the rules as much as they can.  Besides numerous examples involving the Supreme Court&#039;s selection of the President, torture, and wiretapping, there&#039;s also Texas&#039;s between-census redistricting, the plan to overturn the judicial filibuster, and on and on.  In this environment, I support candidates who fight to win, not boy scouts concerned about possibly committing some technical violation.

And let me point out too that the charges of hypocrisy raised by zamfir and Quiggin are pretty lame too. Hypocrisy is the most minor of sins.  McCain voted for torture last week!  For all I know that makes him a hypocrite, but such charges really miss the point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>don&#8217;t you think that presidential candidates should play by the book, and not bend rules as far he can manage?</i></p>

	<p>That&#8217;s loser talk.  Obviously the Republicans are going to bend and break the rules as much as they can.  Besides numerous examples involving the Supreme Court&#8217;s selection of the President, torture, and wiretapping, there&#8217;s also Texas&#8217;s between-census redistricting, the plan to overturn the judicial filibuster, and on and on.  In this environment, I support candidates who fight to win, not boy scouts concerned about possibly committing some technical violation.</p>

	<p>And let me point out too that the charges of hypocrisy raised by zamfir and Quiggin are pretty lame too. Hypocrisy is the most minor of sins.  McCain voted for torture last week!  For all I know that makes him a hypocrite, but such charges really miss the point.</p>
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		<title>By: ~~~~</title>
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		<dc:creator>~~~~</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trying to improve a little on John Quiggin:

&lt;blockquote&gt;After having been involved in the Keating Five Scandal in the 1980s, John McCain has tried to make his name synonymous with campaign finance reform, and with limits on campaign spending. But a complex loan arrangement he made with his bankers enabled him to avoid those limits, while keeping the option of claiming public financing.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Trying to improve a little on John Quiggin:</p>

	<p><blockquote>After having been involved in the Keating Five Scandal in the 1980s, John McCain has tried to make his name synonymous with campaign finance reform, and with limits on campaign spending. But a complex loan arrangement he made with his bankers enabled him to avoid those limits, while keeping the option of claiming public financing.</blockquote></p>
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		<title>By: Great Zamfir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Great Zamfir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 09:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if you think the current rules are bad, and that the result of McCain&#039;s actions doesn&#039;t hurt democracy, don&#039;t you think that presidential candidates should play by the book, and not bend rules as far he can manage? Especially if his image is composed of words as &#039;honest&#039; and &#039;straight shooter&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Even if you think the current rules are bad, and that the result of McCain&#8217;s actions doesn&#8217;t hurt democracy, don&#8217;t you think that presidential candidates should play by the book, and not bend rules as far he can manage? Especially if his image is composed of words as &#8216;honest&#8217; and &#8216;straight shooter&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Walt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 07:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once you understand that by definition McCain doesn&#039;t deserve criticism, it all becomes clear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Once you understand that by definition McCain doesn&#8217;t deserve criticism, it all becomes clear.</p>
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