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	<title>Comments on: Explaining Google&#8217;s popularity</title>
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		<title>By: Brautigan</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/02/25/explaining-googles-popularity/comment-page-1/#comment-230069</link>
		<dc:creator>Brautigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 19:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, it&#039;s very simple. Google&#039;s simple, clean interface means I don&#039;t have to wade thru tons of crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>For me, it&#8217;s very simple. Google&#8217;s simple, clean interface means I don&#8217;t have to wade thru tons of crap.</p>
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		<title>By: agm</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/02/25/explaining-googles-popularity/comment-page-1/#comment-229953</link>
		<dc:creator>agm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, there&#039;s always &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this advice&lt;/a&gt; to add a data point about people&#039;s attitudes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Well, there&#8217;s always <a href="http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/" rel="nofollow">this advice</a> to add a data point about people&#8217;s attitudes.</p>
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		<title>By: Great Zamfir</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/02/25/explaining-googles-popularity/comment-page-1/#comment-229948</link>
		<dc:creator>Great Zamfir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How much is not simply excellent marketing? I went to Yahoo for the first time in ages, and while not as bad as it used to be, it is still completely filled by shopaholica and celebrities. I found that I was not just expecting, but positively &lt;i&gt;hoping&lt;/i&gt; that Google would have better search results.

In the mean time, Google has a very clear friendly-face-with-the smartest-maths image. And they work hard to keep it. German car makers are notorious for tuning the sound of closings doors, to make them sound sturdy. Google is usually the snappiest, fastest loading site around. A few years ago they had a campaign for new employees with mathematical puzzles. Even if this had no effect on the quality of their new people, it definitely added to their slightly-funny-but-effective-geniuses image.

It might well be that the main importance of their gmail, and calendars and spreadsheets and other new stuff is to show that they are still smart and creative and whatever. It works for me that way: by spending time on other things, it &lt;i&gt;feels&lt;/i&gt; to me that they must also be spending lots of time on improving their search engine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>How much is not simply excellent marketing? I went to Yahoo for the first time in ages, and while not as bad as it used to be, it is still completely filled by shopaholica and celebrities. I found that I was not just expecting, but positively <i>hoping</i> that Google would have better search results.</p>

	<p>In the mean time, Google has a very clear friendly-face-with-the smartest-maths image. And they work hard to keep it. German car makers are notorious for tuning the sound of closings doors, to make them sound sturdy. Google is usually the snappiest, fastest loading site around. A few years ago they had a campaign for new employees with mathematical puzzles. Even if this had no effect on the quality of their new people, it definitely added to their slightly-funny-but-effective-geniuses image.</p>

	<p>It might well be that the main importance of their gmail, and calendars and spreadsheets and other new stuff is to show that they are still smart and creative and whatever. It works for me that way: by spending time on other things, it <i>feels</i> to me that they must also be spending lots of time on improving their search engine.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael E  Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/02/25/explaining-googles-popularity/comment-page-1/#comment-229915</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael E  Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 04:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s frankly very difficult to judge search quality where the differences are small.  I began using google regularly around 1998-9 when the differences were pretty large.  But, honestly, that&#039;s not the main reason I started using google.  

The biggest difference between google and every other search site then, was how long it took pages to load.  I didn&#039;t actually switch so much as start using search regularly when I discovered google.  At the time, I did not have a broadband connection and using other engines with slow page loads was *excruciating*.   Before google, I avoided net searches.  After google, it became the first thing I did when looking for information. 

And that difference is still significant today.  I just did a couple searches on yahoo (which is also an easily selectable option in my firefox search field without ever specifically installing it) and the same searches on google.  The google page had much more data, and loaded in about 1/10 the time.  the delay with the yahoo page was noticeable on my broadband connection.  Textual data should not be noticeably delayed on a broadband connection.  That&#039;s just sad that in 2008, you can&#039;t put a text page together that loads in less than 1 second.

This alone, even if the search results were marginally *inferior*, would keep me using google.
Google gets it.  I&#039;m using the internet to *save* time, not *waste* it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>it&#8217;s frankly very difficult to judge search quality where the differences are small.  I began using google regularly around 1998-9 when the differences were pretty large.  But, honestly, that&#8217;s not the main reason I started using google.</p>

	<p>The biggest difference between google and every other search site then, was how long it took pages to load.  I didn&#8217;t actually switch so much as start using search regularly when I discovered google.  At the time, I did not have a broadband connection and using other engines with slow page loads was <strong>excruciating</strong>.   Before google, I avoided net searches.  After google, it became the first thing I did when looking for information.</p>

	<p>And that difference is still significant today.  I just did a couple searches on yahoo (which is also an easily selectable option in my firefox search field without ever specifically installing it) and the same searches on google.  The google page had much more data, and loaded in about 1/10 the time.  the delay with the yahoo page was noticeable on my broadband connection.  Textual data should not be noticeably delayed on a broadband connection.  That&#8217;s just sad that in 2008, you can&#8217;t put a text page together that loads in less than 1 second.</p>

	<p>This alone, even if the search results were marginally <strong>inferior</strong>, would keep me using google.<br />
Google gets it.  I&#8217;m using the internet to <strong>save</strong> time, not <strong>waste</strong> it.</p>
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		<title>By: eszter</title>
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		<dc:creator>eszter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 03:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Might this not go some way towards explaining why Google doesn’t have a larger market share?&lt;/i&gt; 

Tom, definitely. Basic portal set-ups have a lot to do with what search engines people use. I&#039;ve written about that for a long time. 

&lt;i&gt;I think what is happening is that Eszter and Varian are using different definitions of lock-in.&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, Tracy, absolutely.  I am not thinking of it in the traditional technical sense and I should&#039;ve definitely been more clear about that. I tried to clarify in one of the updates I added to the post. 

By the way, regarding the clean look, while the start page may be clean, many people don&#039;t even use that anymore as their access to Google (nor did they when they started using it as many started using it through other sites like Yahoo! as noted above).  And when it comes to the results pages, the differences are not that huge anymore depending on the query, compare these two for the same search terms: 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?&amp;q=personalized+mug&amp;spell=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Google&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=UTF-8&amp;fr=moz2&amp;p=personalized+mug&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Yahoo&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Might this not go some way towards explaining why Google doesn&#8217;t have a larger market share?</i></p>

	<p>Tom, definitely. Basic portal set-ups have a lot to do with what search engines people use. I&#8217;ve written about that for a long time.</p>

	<p><i>I think what is happening is that Eszter and Varian are using different definitions of lock-in.</i></p>

	<p>Yes, Tracy, absolutely.  I am not thinking of it in the traditional technical sense and I should&#8217;ve definitely been more clear about that. I tried to clarify in one of the updates I added to the post.</p>

	<p>By the way, regarding the clean look, while the start page may be clean, many people don&#8217;t even use that anymore as their access to Google (nor did they when they started using it as many started using it through other sites like Yahoo! as noted above).  And when it comes to the results pages, the differences are not that huge anymore depending on the query, compare these two for the same search terms:<br />
<a href="http://www.google.com/search?&#038;q=personalized+mug&#038;spell=1" rel="nofollow">Google</a>, <a href="http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=UTF-8&#038;fr=moz2&#038;p=personalized+mug" rel="nofollow">Yahoo</a></p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Brownback</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/02/25/explaining-googles-popularity/comment-page-1/#comment-229886</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Brownback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 23:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In hindsight, these trends might be explained by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.forbes.com/2006/05/20/executive-compensation-tournament_cx_th_06work_0523pay.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sherwin Rosen&#039;s point&lt;/a&gt; that a small difference in quality can occasionally explain vastly different rewards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>In hindsight, these trends might be explained by <a href="http://www.forbes.com/2006/05/20/executive-compensation-tournament_cx_th_06work_0523pay.html" rel="nofollow">Sherwin Rosen&#8217;s point</a> that a small difference in quality can occasionally explain vastly different rewards.</p>
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		<title>By: idlemind</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/02/25/explaining-googles-popularity/comment-page-1/#comment-229854</link>
		<dc:creator>idlemind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Consider that at one point Google powered Yahoo!&#039;s search but was still growing market share at a good clip. The clean page was the real differentiator (though Yahoo!&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://search.yahoo.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;search page&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt; --as opposed to its portal page -- was nearly as clean but practically unknown). Yahoo!&#039;s acquisition and use of Inktomi brought a noticeable decline in search quality. That&#039;s been improved, slowly, to the point that it&#039;s often as good as Google&#039;s (in a few cases, better -- I&#039;ve found Yahoo!&#039;s search better for nailing mis-remembered quotations).

Let&#039;s not forget that search, in and of itself, is a money-loser. Google makes its money from advertising, and that while owning the search sector gives it powerful ways to bring advertisers and potential customers together, they&#039;ll increasingly have to leverage things other than search to increase income from advertising -- or find other ways of making money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Consider that at one point Google powered Yahoo!&#8217;s search but was still growing market share at a good clip. The clean page was the real differentiator (though Yahoo!&#8217;s <a href="http://search.yahoo.com" rel="nofollow"><i>search page</i></a>&#8212;as opposed to its portal page&#8212;was nearly as clean but practically unknown). Yahoo!&#8217;s acquisition and use of Inktomi brought a noticeable decline in search quality. That&#8217;s been improved, slowly, to the point that it&#8217;s often as good as Google&#8217;s (in a few cases, better&#8212;I&#8217;ve found Yahoo!&#8217;s search better for nailing mis-remembered quotations).</p>

	<p>Let&#8217;s not forget that search, in and of itself, is a money-loser. Google makes its money from advertising, and that while owning the search sector gives it powerful ways to bring advertisers and potential customers together, they&#8217;ll increasingly have to leverage things other than search to increase income from advertising&#8212;or find other ways of making money.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy W</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/02/25/explaining-googles-popularity/comment-page-1/#comment-229847</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what is happening is that Eszter and Varian are using different definitions of lock-in. 

Varian is probably using the word &quot;lock-in&quot; in the sense of &quot;Fix firmly in position, commit to something&quot;.  I&#039;m not sure what sense Eszter is using it, but it appears to be something along the lines of &quot;some web searchers are non-technical and get very comfortable with using Google&quot;. If Eszter put this definition to Varian, Varian might very well agree that lock-in is possible for that definition of the word &quot;lock-in&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I think what is happening is that Eszter and Varian are using different definitions of lock-in.</p>

	<p>Varian is probably using the word &#8220;lock-in&#8221; in the sense of &#8220;Fix firmly in position, commit to something&#8221;.  I&#8217;m not sure what sense Eszter is using it, but it appears to be something along the lines of &#8220;some web searchers are non-technical and get very comfortable with using Google&#8221;. If Eszter put this definition to Varian, Varian might very well agree that lock-in is possible for that definition of the word &#8220;lock-in&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: a very public sociologist</title>
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		<dc:creator>a very public sociologist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My experience with Google mirrors Bruce @ *1. I found Yahoo, Webcrawler, Netscape, and Excite pretty frustrating as search engines. I heard about Google through internet word of mouth and just found it a lot better. Now I stick with it out of habit - if there&#039;s a better (more ethical?) alternative I would be open to giving it a go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>My experience with Google mirrors Bruce @ *1. I found Yahoo, Webcrawler, Netscape, and Excite pretty frustrating as search engines. I heard about Google through internet word of mouth and just found it a lot better. Now I stick with it out of habit &#8211; if there&#8217;s a better (more ethical?) alternative I would be open to giving it a go.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article, I particularly like your point about sercher vs searches. But surely Microsoft has more of a &quot;lock-in&quot; advantage, they have the most popular browser by a large margin and they&#039;ve hardwired their search engine into its search box and its address bar. Might this not go some way towards explaining why Google doesn&#039;t have a larger market share?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Interesting article, I particularly like your point about sercher vs searches. But surely Microsoft has more of a &#8220;lock-in&#8221; advantage, they have the most popular browser by a large margin and they&#8217;ve hardwired their search engine into its search box and its address bar. Might this not go some way towards explaining why Google doesn&#8217;t have a larger market share?</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Kuzma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Kuzma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really think you can&#039;t overlook page design and layout.  The base google.com page is a stark contrast to the base yahoo.com page.  I, for one, am decidedly turned-off by a big cluttered page junk greeting me before every search.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I really think you can&#8217;t overlook page design and layout.  The base google.com page is a stark contrast to the base yahoo.com page.  I, for one, am decidedly turned-off by a big cluttered page junk greeting me before every search.</p>
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		<title>By: joejoejoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>joejoejoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have Google set as my homepage. My home PC has multiple users and I find Google to be the most neutral (both visually and functionally) starting place for everybody. I think that might be a huge factor in why Google doesn&#039;t lose it&#039;s marketshare.

OT: I&#039;d guess in 5 years or so someobody develops a self-sustaining open source competitor to Google that plows online ad revenue back into non-profit search development &amp; hosting costs and then Google will find themselves in the same place as Yahoo -- trying to get juice from an already squeezed orange.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I have Google set as my homepage. My home PC has multiple users and I find Google to be the most neutral (both visually and functionally) starting place for everybody. I think that might be a huge factor in why Google doesn&#8217;t lose it&#8217;s marketshare.</p>

	<p>OT: I&#8217;d guess in 5 years or so someobody develops a self-sustaining open source competitor to Google that plows online ad revenue back into non-profit search development &#038; hosting costs and then Google will find themselves in the same place as Yahoo&#8212;trying to get juice from an already squeezed orange.</p>
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		<title>By: not even an MBA</title>
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		<dc:creator>not even an MBA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I imagine the casual searcher to be reading his or her favourite blogs, and when they read something that catches their attention, like say &quot;Medium Lobster&quot;, they open a search window and copy-paste it in.  Occasional searchers may not even know they have a search toolbar.

For that type of user, how are you going to improve on a 20kB front page?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I imagine the casual searcher to be reading his or her favourite blogs, and when they read something that catches their attention, like say &#8220;Medium Lobster&#8221;, they open a search window and copy-paste it in.  Occasional searchers may not even know they have a search toolbar.</p>

	<p>For that type of user, how are you going to improve on a 20kB front page?</p>
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		<title>By: H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact is that just about every main area of Internet use ends up as a monopoly or duopoly. Search engines: Google. Video: youtube. Personal networks: myspace and facebook. Booksellers: Amazon, etc. etc. The criteria seems to be either first to market, or first to break out with a significantly superior service. The latter is the case with Google. Once you get the universal brand recognition, then the fact that other companies play catch up and your service is no longer significantly superior is irrelevant. Only when the next quantum leap comes are you in any danger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The fact is that just about every main area of Internet use ends up as a monopoly or duopoly. Search engines: Google. Video: youtube. Personal networks: myspace and facebook. Booksellers: Amazon, etc. etc. The criteria seems to be either first to market, or first to break out with a significantly superior service. The latter is the case with Google. Once you get the universal brand recognition, then the fact that other companies play catch up and your service is no longer significantly superior is irrelevant. Only when the next quantum leap comes are you in any danger.</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a good dollop of brand loyalty to be considered I think.  Gmail is my lifeline at the moment, and Google Calendar organises my life.  That big, friendly, helpful Google logo does warm, fuzzy things to me.

I&#039;m sure I&#039;m not the only person who uses Gmail and Google Calendar and whatnot who just automatically turns to Google to search because there is no reason not to.  Most people don&#039;t have the time and motivation to research alternative search engines if Google is giving them what they need and there is no significant benefit to going elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>There is a good dollop of brand loyalty to be considered I think.  Gmail is my lifeline at the moment, and Google Calendar organises my life.  That big, friendly, helpful Google logo does warm, fuzzy things to me.</p>

	<p>I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;m not the only person who uses Gmail and Google Calendar and whatnot who just automatically turns to Google to search because there is no reason not to.  Most people don&#8217;t have the time and motivation to research alternative search engines if Google is giving them what they need and there is no significant benefit to going elsewhere.</p>
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