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		<title>By: Another Damned Medievalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another Damned Medievalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no idea how that first word got there.</description>
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		<title>By: Another Damned Medievalist</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/02/26/hamlet-without-the-prince/comment-page-1/#comment-229974</link>
		<dc:creator>Another Damned Medievalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fee, I&#039;d have thought the decline might have something to do with the fact that even the venerable &lt;i&gt;The New Yorker&lt;/i&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://modernmedieval.blogspot.com/2008/02/dirty-smelly-barbarians.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;hires someone like Joan Acocella to write a review of a medieval history written by a scholar who is best known for his work on WEB DuBois.&lt;/a&gt;  Heaven forfend that they actually ask an expert. If the print media can&#039;t be bothered to look for expertise, how on earth can there be any argument against bloggers, a group that includes an awful lot of thoughtful people, many of whom are also experts in their fields?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Fee, I&#8217;d have thought the decline might have something to do with the fact that even the venerable <i>The New Yorker</i> <a href="http://modernmedieval.blogspot.com/2008/02/dirty-smelly-barbarians.html" rel="nofollow">hires someone like Joan Acocella to write a review of a medieval history written by a scholar who is best known for his work on <span class="caps">WEB </span>DuBois.</a>  Heaven forfend that they actually ask an expert. If the print media can&#8217;t be bothered to look for expertise, how on earth can there be any argument against bloggers, a group that includes an awful lot of thoughtful people, many of whom are also experts in their fields?</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/02/26/hamlet-without-the-prince/comment-page-1/#comment-229950</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>17: &quot;And when I think of “slow maturation” I think of cheese.&quot;

And when I hear the word cheese, I reach for my knife. Mmm, artisanally spoiled milk...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>17: &#8220;And when I think of &#8220;slow maturation&#8221; I think of cheese.&#8221;</p>

	<p>And when I hear the word cheese, I reach for my knife. Mmm, artisanally spoiled milk&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Delicious Pundit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Delicious Pundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 03:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of cheap jokes, is Hamlet without the Prince like &lt;a href=&quot;http://garfieldminusgarfield.tumblr.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Garfield minus Garfield?&lt;/a&gt;  

On topic, I think it&#039;s a shame the newspapers are dying, but when the New York Times Book Review appoints Sam Tanenhaus as its editor that seems more like a self-inflicted wound.
&lt;em&gt;With the power of Google, I fixed your link - JQ&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Speaking of cheap jokes, is Hamlet without the Prince like <a href="http://garfieldminusgarfield.tumblr.com/" rel="nofollow">Garfield minus Garfield?</a></p>

	<p>On topic, I think it&#8217;s a shame the newspapers are dying, but when the New York Times Book Review appoints Sam Tanenhaus as its editor that seems more like a self-inflicted wound.<br />
<em>With the power of Google, I fixed your link &#8211; JQ</em></p>
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		<title>By: seth edenbaum</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/02/26/hamlet-without-the-prince/comment-page-1/#comment-229856</link>
		<dc:creator>seth edenbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wasn&#039;t there a discussion on this site recently of criticisms of the humanities in the UK, of proposed funding cuts to &quot;less important&quot; fields?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Wasn&#8217;t there a discussion on this site recently of criticisms of the humanities in the UK, of proposed funding cuts to &#8220;less important&#8221; fields?</p>
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		<title>By: gmoke</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/02/26/hamlet-without-the-prince/comment-page-1/#comment-229848</link>
		<dc:creator>gmoke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not necessarily reviews but I have a habit of publishing my notes on books I&#039;ve read on my dailykos diary (http://gmoke.dailykos.com).  I see it as a public commonplace book.  It may violate fair use to quote so extensively but it sure does fit into the tradition of the commonplace book as I understand it.

I consider that my selection and editing of the quotations is added intellectual content but I may be fooling myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Not necessarily reviews but I have a habit of publishing my notes on books I&#8217;ve read on my dailykos diary (<a href="http://gmoke.dailykos.com" rel="nofollow">http://gmoke.dailykos.com</a>).  I see it as a public commonplace book.  It may violate fair use to quote so extensively but it sure does fit into the tradition of the commonplace book as I understand it.</p>

	<p>I consider that my selection and editing of the quotations is added intellectual content but I may be fooling myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bloix, I started reading the Inspector Wallander novels on the basis of a review of Nordic detective novels in the London Review of Books.  Other than that, I found the whole magazine to be pretentious in the extreme.  Towards the end of my year&#039;s subscription I suspected it of being satire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Bloix, I started reading the Inspector Wallander novels on the basis of a review of Nordic detective novels in the London Review of Books.  Other than that, I found the whole magazine to be pretentious in the extreme.  Towards the end of my year&#8217;s subscription I suspected it of being satire.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Poole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Poole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another thing: Skidelsky alleges that academic criticism and literary journalism no longer interpollinate — and then he complains that three newspapers chose to cover a book by an academic-who-also-writes-for-newspapers (John Mullan&#039;s &lt;em&gt;Anonymity&lt;/em&gt;) as their lead review.

Shurely some mistake?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Another thing: Skidelsky alleges that academic criticism and literary journalism no longer interpollinate &#8212; and then he complains that three newspapers chose to cover a book by an academic-who-also-writes-for-newspapers (John Mullan&#8217;s <em>Anonymity</em>) as their lead review.</p>

	<p>Shurely some mistake?</p>
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		<title>By: seth edenbaum</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/02/26/hamlet-without-the-prince/comment-page-1/#comment-229840</link>
		<dc:creator>seth edenbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hulk, art and commerce aren&#039;t synonymous, The former requires the latter for practical reasons, and inverse was once true as a matter of PR and the goal of social advancement. But these days, to many in the thinking class commerce is self-justifying as the origin of] the scientific[sic] logic of individual achievement and the social world that&#039;s built around it.  A serious discussion of the realm of illusion and lies seems counter to analytic and instrumental reason. 

But meanwhile in the world of the day to day, commerce keeps art sharp and to the point and the nouveau riche still aspire to that old odd mix of vulgar honesty and good taste that makes popular art and entertainment pretty interesting. Art and commerce feed off each other in conflict.  To argue otherwise &lt;a href=&quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cultureby.com/trilogy/2005/12/peyton_manning_.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;is to miss the point&lt;/a&gt;
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&quot;I don’t think I’ve ever read a book based on a newspaper review,&quot;

This country isn&#039;t known for its newspapers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>hulk, art and commerce aren&#8217;t synonymous, The former requires the latter for practical reasons, and inverse was once true as a matter of PR and the goal of social advancement. But these days, to many in the thinking class commerce is self-justifying as the origin of] the scientific[sic] logic of individual achievement and the social world that&#8217;s built around it.  A serious discussion of the realm of illusion and lies seems counter to analytic and instrumental reason.</p>

	<p>But meanwhile in the world of the day to day, commerce keeps art sharp and to the point and the nouveau riche still aspire to that old odd mix of vulgar honesty and good taste that makes popular art and entertainment pretty interesting. Art and commerce feed off each other in conflict.  To argue otherwise <a href="<a href="http://www.cultureby.com/trilogy/2005/12/peyton_manning_.html" rel="nofollow">is to miss the point</a>&#8212;-</p>

	<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever read a book based on a newspaper review,&#8221;</p>

	<p>This country isn&#8217;t known for its newspapers.</p>
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		<title>By: peep</title>
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		<dc:creator>peep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He says good criticism requires &quot;slow maturation&quot;.

Does that mean it should be written by middle-aged and/or elderly man that act like bratty 
kids?

By that standard Lee Siegel is the ideal!

(and worst of all are those damn precocious kid bloggers -- they&#039;ve matured much too fast!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>He says good criticism requires &#8220;slow maturation&#8221;.</p>

	<p>Does that mean it should be written by middle-aged and/or elderly man that act like bratty<br />
kids?</p>

	<p>By that standard Lee Siegel is the ideal!</p>

	<p>(and worst of all are those damn precocious kid bloggers&#8212;they&#8217;ve matured much too fast!)</p>
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		<title>By: novakant</title>
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		<dc:creator>novakant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I’ve been a reader for 35 years and I can recall only one occasion on which I was prompted to read a book I wouldn’t otherwise have looked at based on a review. Am I unusual in this?&lt;/i&gt;

On what basis do you select your books then? Do you read according to a literary canon or does one thing lead to another? What about contemporary fiction, I&#039;d be totally lost without critics. 

As for myself and to be brutally honest, I generally enjoy reading reviews a lot more than reading the actual books - saves a lot of time too. Needless to say that, when I was studying CompLit, I belonged to the theory faction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I&#8217;ve been a reader for 35 years and I can recall only one occasion on which I was prompted to read a book I wouldn&#8217;t otherwise have looked at based on a review. Am I unusual in this?</i></p>

	<p>On what basis do you select your books then? Do you read according to a literary canon or does one thing lead to another? What about contemporary fiction, I&#8217;d be totally lost without critics.</p>

	<p>As for myself and to be brutally honest, I generally enjoy reading reviews a lot more than reading the actual books &#8211; saves a lot of time too. Needless to say that, when I was studying CompLit, I belonged to the theory faction.</p>
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		<title>By: a very public sociologist</title>
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		<dc:creator>a very public sociologist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s Skidelsky&#039;s problem? Does he seriously believe book reviewers who have to work to newspaper deadlines have the time to &quot;lengthy reflection&quot;? And what of the book awards circuits? Do judges read all the books on the long list? Does each and every one come in for mature consideration?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>What&#8217;s Skidelsky&#8217;s problem? Does he seriously believe book reviewers who have to work to newspaper deadlines have the time to &#8220;lengthy reflection&#8221;? And what of the book awards circuits? Do judges read all the books on the long list? Does each and every one come in for mature consideration?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Bérubé</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Bérubé</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;So you were joking about its being a “breakthrough book”?&lt;/i&gt;

Hmmm, good question.  Insofar as &lt;i&gt;Against the Machine&lt;/i&gt; may be the first book that (a) inveighs against nasty pseudonymous comments on the Internet (among other things) and (b) was written by someone whose career was derailed by the nasty pseudonymous comments he&#039;d posted on the Internet in effusive praise of his own writing, it might be legitimately considered a &quot;breakthrough&quot; book after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>So you were joking about its being a &#8220;breakthrough book&#8221;?</i></p>

	<p>Hmmm, good question.  Insofar as <i>Against the Machine</i> may be the first book that (a) inveighs against nasty pseudonymous comments on the Internet (among other things) and (b) was written by someone whose career was derailed by the nasty pseudonymous comments he&#8217;d posted on the Internet in effusive praise of his own writing, it might be legitimately considered a &#8220;breakthrough&#8221; book after all.</p>
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		<title>By: geo</title>
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		<dc:creator>geo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#21:&lt;i&gt;cheap Siegel joke&lt;/i&gt;

So you were joking about its being a &quot;breakthrough book&quot;? It&#039;s sometimes hard to know when you&#039;re tongue-in-cheek, Michael.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>#21:<i>cheap Siegel joke</i></p>

	<p>So you were joking about its being a &#8220;breakthrough book&#8221;? It&#8217;s sometimes hard to know when you&#8217;re tongue-in-cheek, Michael.</p>
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		<title>By: Ginger Yellow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ginger Yellow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I’ve been a reader for 35 years and I can recall only one occasion on which I was prompted to read a book I wouldn’t otherwise have looked at based on a review. Am I unusual in this? Do others rely on reviews to help them select what they read? Do people have favorite trusted reviewers?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever read a book based on a newspaper review, but I&#039;ve read countless books on the basis of a write-up in the LRB or NYRB, and many on the recommendation of blogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><blockquote>I&#8217;ve been a reader for 35 years and I can recall only one occasion on which I was prompted to read a book I wouldn&#8217;t otherwise have looked at based on a review. Am I unusual in this? Do others rely on reviews to help them select what they read? Do people have favorite trusted reviewers?</blockquote></p>

	<p>I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever read a book based on a newspaper review, but I&#8217;ve read countless books on the basis of a write-up in the <span class="caps">LRB</span> or <span class="caps">NYRB</span>, and many on the recommendation of blogs.</p>
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