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		<title>By: Problematic Interests: Progress, Equality, and Objectivity &#171; Now-Times</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/02/playing-against-type-is-a-market-niche/comment-page-2/#comment-231387</link>
		<dc:creator>Problematic Interests: Progress, Equality, and Objectivity &#171; Now-Times</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 10:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to agree with her?&#160; Is it of a piece with what Kieran Healy labels, journalism that &#8216;Plays against Type&#8216;? Or is it part of something bigger?&#160; My intuition is to go for the latter: it would [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[...] to agree with her?&nbsp; Is it of a piece with what Kieran Healy labels, journalism that &#8216;Plays against Type&#8216;? Or is it part of something bigger?&nbsp; My intuition is to go for the latter: it would [...]</p>
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		<title>By: roger</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/02/playing-against-type-is-a-market-niche/comment-page-2/#comment-230951</link>
		<dc:creator>roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While Pomfret hides behind the Post editorial office, the WAPO is sponsoring a very special q and a with Charlotte Allen today about her very special article. Go &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2008/03/04/DI2008030402153.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here &lt;/a&gt; to lodge questions. Please ask about the decision behind printing the article - although in all probability, the censoring of the questions will make this another cream puff day for misogynists at the Post. Who are just being so very, very satiric!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>While Pomfret hides behind the Post editorial office, the <span class="caps">WAPO</span> is sponsoring a very special q and a with Charlotte Allen today about her very special article. Go <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2008/03/04/DI2008030402153.html" rel="nofollow">here </a> to lodge questions. Please ask about the decision behind printing the article &#8211; although in all probability, the censoring of the questions will make this another cream puff day for misogynists at the Post. Who are just being so very, very satiric!</p>
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		<title>By: AMERICAN NONSENSE &#187; Charlotte Allen isn&#8217;t the problem. The Washington Post is.</title>
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		<dc:creator>AMERICAN NONSENSE &#187; Charlotte Allen isn&#8217;t the problem. The Washington Post is.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Kieran Healy explains why Pomfret would choose a woman as a vehicle for misogyny: I tend toward an ecological [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ajay</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/02/playing-against-type-is-a-market-niche/comment-page-2/#comment-230778</link>
		<dc:creator>ajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 11:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I tend toward an ecological interpretation. If there is a niche in the market it tends to get filled, even—perhaps especially—if it seems like an unlikely niche.&lt;/i&gt;

That sounds like ev psych to me. Quick, shun him!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I tend toward an ecological interpretation. If there is a niche in the market it tends to get filled, even&#8212;perhaps especially&#8212;if it seems like an unlikely niche.</i></p>

	<p>That sounds like ev psych to me. Quick, shun him!</p>
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		<title>By: lgrf4evr</title>
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		<dc:creator>lgrf4evr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 04:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>will, what can you said.  Charolette allen is making a fortune by telling woman to quit their jobs and stay at home.  She is the one who is making money, so why would she care.  she is not going to be the one suffering from loss if she quit her job.  it is about the money, it had always been about the money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>will, what can you said.  Charolette allen is making a fortune by telling woman to quit their jobs and stay at home.  She is the one who is making money, so why would she care.  she is not going to be the one suffering from loss if she quit her job.  it is about the money, it had always been about the money.</p>
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		<title>By: roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 02:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crystal, you aren&#039;t accepting the Washington Post management&#039;s explanation that jokes about the stupidity of women are so funny they make John Pomfret roll on the floor? Wow, I&#039;ve never heard of such self righteousness. I mean, I&#039;m sure Pomfret and his buddies on the WAPO editorial page swap scores of scintillating jokes about dumb women, dumb negroes, and maybe even smart jewish bankers every day. Funny funny funny. Probably throw in a few practical jokes too. Those guys! And you can tell by their funny coverage of Hilary&#039;s bosom, hairstyle and laugh that they know funny when they see it - especially in a dumb woman! They are just a hearty crewe of contrarians, sailing against the Conventional Wisdom!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Crystal, you aren&#8217;t accepting the Washington Post management&#8217;s explanation that jokes about the stupidity of women are so funny they make John Pomfret roll on the floor? Wow, I&#8217;ve never heard of such self righteousness. I mean, I&#8217;m sure Pomfret and his buddies on the <span class="caps">WAPO</span> editorial page swap scores of scintillating jokes about dumb women, dumb negroes, and maybe even smart jewish bankers every day. Funny funny funny. Probably throw in a few practical jokes too. Those guys! And you can tell by their funny coverage of Hilary&#8217;s bosom, hairstyle and laugh that they know funny when they see it &#8211; especially in a dumb woman! They are just a hearty crewe of contrarians, sailing against the Conventional Wisdom!</p>
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		<title>By: Daphne Chyprious</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/02/playing-against-type-is-a-market-niche/comment-page-2/#comment-230760</link>
		<dc:creator>Daphne Chyprious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 00:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ann Coulter looks like a hippie. Ta da.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ann Coulter looks like a hippie. Ta da.</p>
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		<title>By: Crystal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crystal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 23:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@52: For all I know it is garlic - all the more reason for me to use it liberally (har har) in my cooking. Or perhaps it&#039;s bannination - for which I couldn&#039;t blame Kieran or any other CT&#039;er, as I&#039;d probably wield the banhammer against the Sailer-entity myself.

At any rate, the WaPo has now published a &quot;tee-hee, it was only a JOKE, lighten up!&quot; follow-up. The WaPo is either covering its butt, or doesn&#039;t realize that if no-one laughs at your joke it&#039;s not because they are poor sports, it&#039;s because your joke ain&#039;t funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>@52: For all I know it is garlic &#8211; all the more reason for me to use it liberally (har har) in my cooking. Or perhaps it&#8217;s bannination &#8211; for which I couldn&#8217;t blame Kieran or any other CT&#8217;er, as I&#8217;d probably wield the banhammer against the Sailer-entity myself.</p>

	<p>At any rate, the WaPo has now published a &#8220;tee-hee, it was only a <span class="caps">JOKE</span>, lighten up!&#8221; follow-up. The WaPo is either covering its butt, or doesn&#8217;t realize that if no-one laughs at your joke it&#8217;s not because they are poor sports, it&#8217;s because your joke ain&#8217;t funny.</p>
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		<title>By: Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link Daily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link Daily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 22:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Healey argues that women pundits like Charlotte Allen (who happily admits to being stupid and a bad driver and sees these as female characteristics) are [...]</description>
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		<title>By: kw</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/02/playing-against-type-is-a-market-niche/comment-page-2/#comment-230750</link>
		<dc:creator>kw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 22:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the &quot;women &amp; driving&quot; stats, the study actually said:

&quot;The investigators, who published their results in the July issue of Epidemiology, found that although teenage boys started off badly, with about 20 percent more crashes per mile driven than teenage girls, males and females between ages 20 and 35 were equally at risk of being involved in a crash, and after age 35 female drivers were at greater risk of a crash than their male counterparts.&quot;

Note that the later category was (to the best of my knowledge -- can&#039;t find the original study) not broken down further.  I would expect that the further up this age category you go, you get to the point in the demographics where women of that age/era were not routinely taught to drive when young, &quot;since their fathers/boyfriends/husbands would do that&quot;, at which point I would expect a significant difference to be found.

Finally, note that the folks who have actual &lt;b&gt;$$s&lt;/b&gt; riding on the issue -- that is, the insurance folks -- seem to come down fairly firmly on the women&#039;s side of the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Regarding the &#8220;women &#038; driving&#8221; stats, the study actually said:</p>

	<p>&#8220;The investigators, who published their results in the July issue of Epidemiology, found that although teenage boys started off badly, with about 20 percent more crashes per mile driven than teenage girls, males and females between ages 20 and 35 were equally at risk of being involved in a crash, and after age 35 female drivers were at greater risk of a crash than their male counterparts.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Note that the later category was (to the best of my knowledge&#8212;can&#8217;t find the original study) not broken down further.  I would expect that the further up this age category you go, you get to the point in the demographics where women of that age/era were not routinely taught to drive when young, &#8220;since their fathers/boyfriends/husbands would do that&#8221;, at which point I would expect a significant difference to be found.</p>

	<p>Finally, note that the folks who have actual <b>$$s</b> riding on the issue&#8212;that is, the insurance folks&#8212;seem to come down fairly firmly on the women&#8217;s side of the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: notsneaky</title>
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		<dc:creator>notsneaky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 22:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to know the answer to 52 as well. How you do it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I want to know the answer to 52 as well. How you do it?</p>
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		<title>By: roac</title>
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		<dc:creator>roac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 22:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May I interpose a question?

Though a relative newcomer to the bloogosphere, I have noticed that almost everywhere I go, any mooting of the idea that Group A is inherently superior to Group B very quickly draws the endorsement of an entity called &quot;Steve Sailer.&quot;  &lt;i&gt;But not here.&lt;/i&gt;

What is the explanation for this?  Is garlic involved?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>May I interpose a question?</p>

	<p>Though a relative newcomer to the bloogosphere, I have noticed that almost everywhere I go, any mooting of the idea that Group A is inherently superior to Group B very quickly draws the endorsement of an entity called &#8220;Steve Sailer.&#8221;  <i>But not here.</i></p>

	<p>What is the explanation for this?  Is garlic involved?</p>
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		<title>By: lemuel pitkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>lemuel pitkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what does the ecological interpretation tell us?

Some writers play against type, that&#039;s true. But many others don&#039;t. Some niches are filled. Many others aren&#039;t. 

Charlotte Perkins writes a piece about women are dumber than men, and she&#039;s a woman. But William Saletan write a piece on why blacks are dumber than whites, and he&#039;s white. So if there&#039;s any larger trend involving the rehabilitation of noxious stereotypes, niche-filling ain&#039;t it.

Sorry, there are no Marxist economists in US media, nor have I noticed any pacific Marines. There are also no Jews writing &quot;OK, we really are greedy,&quot; or insurance salesmen writing about why Social Security offers a better deal. The strong claim that niches tend to get filled is false, so that leaves us with the weak claim that the filled niches got filled. Is there any content to this post beyond that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>So what does the ecological interpretation tell us?</p>

	<p>Some writers play against type, that&#8217;s true. But many others don&#8217;t. Some niches are filled. Many others aren&#8217;t.</p>

	<p>Charlotte Perkins writes a piece about women are dumber than men, and she&#8217;s a woman. But William Saletan write a piece on why blacks are dumber than whites, and he&#8217;s white. So if there&#8217;s any larger trend involving the rehabilitation of noxious stereotypes, niche-filling ain&#8217;t it.</p>

	<p>Sorry, there are no Marxist economists in US media, nor have I noticed any pacific Marines. There are also no Jews writing &#8220;OK, we really are greedy,&#8221; or insurance salesmen writing about why Social Security offers a better deal. The strong claim that niches tend to get filled is false, so that leaves us with the weak claim that the filled niches got filled. Is there any content to this post beyond that?</p>
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		<title>By: not even an MBA</title>
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		<dc:creator>not even an MBA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ myself in #49,
Well, I read it wrong.  The points made at #7 and #26 hold and I&#039;m a doo-doo head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>@ myself in #49,<br />
Well, I read it wrong.  The points made at #7 and #26 hold and I&#8217;m a doo-doo head.</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;I Was Only Kidding!&#8221; &#171; The Elvisberg Report</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;I Was Only Kidding!&#8221; &#171; The Elvisberg Report</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 20:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Healy pointed out yesterday, presciently, that &#8220;if you misjudge the reaction, you can claim the whole thing was a [...]</description>
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