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		<title>By: Tim Worstall</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/04/introducing-the-bbpi/comment-page-1/#comment-230865</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Worstall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 10:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Clearly then, your soundness on trade depends on the extent to which your campaign employs economists whom Professor Bhagwati approves of.&quot;

Well, if you were a trade economist by, er, trade, then that seems like a remarkably logical way of evaluating the candidates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Clearly then, your soundness on trade depends on the extent to which your campaign employs economists whom Professor Bhagwati approves of.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Well, if you were a trade economist by, er, trade, then that seems like a remarkably logical way of evaluating the candidates.</p>
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		<title>By: terence</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/04/introducing-the-bbpi/comment-page-1/#comment-230841</link>
		<dc:creator>terence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 03:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Notsneaky,

Personally, I really doubt that the EPI are doing the economics for team Clinton (if they were she&#039;d probably have my hypothetical vote). However, I think you&#039;re right about Krugman supporting the overall policy package on the balance of certain key components (like health). For what it&#039;s worth though, Krugman is one of the group of economists who have recently starting arguing that globn., while good for developing countries, is harming working class America*. He&#039;s blaming China not NAFTA, of course. But I think the point still stands - and that Bhagwhati is wishing away the side of the ledger he doesn&#039;t like. 

Or, to put it another way, would &#039;protectionism&#039; really have such resonance amongst the voters of Ohio if global trade really was a win win for them.
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*this is a big simplification of his argument, sorry. I gotta run to take a class. But I think you know what I mean.

cheers

Terence</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hi Notsneaky,</p>

	<p>Personally, I really doubt that the <span class="caps">EPI</span> are doing the economics for team Clinton (if they were she&#8217;d probably have my hypothetical vote). However, I think you&#8217;re right about Krugman supporting the overall policy package on the balance of certain key components (like health). For what it&#8217;s worth though, Krugman is one of the group of economists who have recently starting arguing that globn., while good for developing countries, is harming working class America*. He&#8217;s blaming China not <span class="caps">NAFTA</span>, of course. But I think the point still stands &#8211; and that Bhagwhati is wishing away the side of the ledger he doesn&#8217;t like.</p>

	<p>Or, to put it another way, would &#8216;protectionism&#8217; really have such resonance amongst the voters of Ohio if global trade really was a win win for them.<br />
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	<p>*this is a big simplification of his argument, sorry. I gotta run to take a class. But I think you know what I mean.</p>

	<p>cheers</p>

	<p>Terence</p>
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		<title>By: notsneaky</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/04/introducing-the-bbpi/comment-page-1/#comment-230833</link>
		<dc:creator>notsneaky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 00:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or he&#039;s willing to overlook this aspect because of other aspects. It&#039;s a multidimensional policy space after all. He probably thinks health care is more important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Or he&#8217;s willing to overlook this aspect because of other aspects. It&#8217;s a multidimensional policy space after all. He probably thinks health care is more important.</p>
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		<title>By: terence</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/04/introducing-the-bbpi/comment-page-1/#comment-230832</link>
		<dc:creator>terence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 00:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And yes, when it comes to trade policy, the EPI does suffer a serious credibility gap. Just ask the former student, Paul Krugman, who’s taken them to task on it several times in the past.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Which, given Krugman&#039;s support of Clinton, would suggest one of two things: the EPI really isn&#039;t running Clinton&#039;s economics shop; or Krugman thinks that, on balance, their policies are more good than bad.

You tell me, Notsneaky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><blockquote>And yes, when it comes to trade policy, the <span class="caps">EPI</span> does suffer a serious credibility gap. Just ask the former student, Paul Krugman, who&#8217;s taken them to task on it several times in the past.</blockquote></p>

	<p>Which, given Krugman&#8217;s support of Clinton, would suggest one of two things: the <span class="caps">EPI</span> really isn&#8217;t running Clinton&#8217;s economics shop; or Krugman thinks that, on balance, their policies are more good than bad.</p>

	<p>You tell me, Notsneaky.</p>
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		<title>By: PHB</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/04/introducing-the-bbpi/comment-page-1/#comment-230829</link>
		<dc:creator>PHB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 23:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now what was it I was saying the other days about economists?

Its not every economist that carries on this way but it does not exactly appear to be bad for one&#039;s career to do so.

Same thing happens in Architecture, you get ahead by designing pretty buildings, not buildings that actually work well.

Obama has suffered a significant political setback as a result of this, the Clinton campaign are using it as evidence that he might not be quite the straight talker he presents himself as. And you can be sure that the McCain people will do the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Now what was it I was saying the other days about economists?</p>

	<p>Its not every economist that carries on this way but it does not exactly appear to be bad for one&#8217;s career to do so.</p>

	<p>Same thing happens in Architecture, you get ahead by designing pretty buildings, not buildings that actually work well.</p>

	<p>Obama has suffered a significant political setback as a result of this, the Clinton campaign are using it as evidence that he might not be quite the straight talker he presents himself as. And you can be sure that the McCain people will do the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Donoghue</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/04/introducing-the-bbpi/comment-page-1/#comment-230816</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Donoghue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 21:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For notskeaky read notsneaky. Sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>For notskeaky read notsneaky. Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Donoghue</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/04/introducing-the-bbpi/comment-page-1/#comment-230815</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Donoghue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 21:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>notskeaky: &lt;em&gt;I don’t see anything crazy in that op-ed.&lt;/em&gt;

Neither does Henry – he remarks on Bhagwati’s (relatively) genial tone. Maybe P. O’Neill has put his finger on the reason: Bhagwati believes that PTAs foster protectionism and he won’t shed any tears for Nafta. If so he is being reasonably consistent, but Henry will need to examine the issues closely if the BBPI is not to mislead him.

Bhagwati is quite a snob though, isn&#039;t he? As if the managers of a political campaign would boast about having a highly reputable professional economist on their team. Even when they actually do have one they usually go out of their way to disown the poor sod. Quite right too – Lloyd George had Keynes on his side in 1929 and what did he get? A memorable pamphlet. And look what Alan Walters did for Mrs Thatcher. These guys are ballot-box poison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>notskeaky: <em>I don&#8217;t see anything crazy in that op-ed.</em></p>

	<p>Neither does Henry &#8211; he remarks on Bhagwati&#8217;s (relatively) genial tone. Maybe P. O&#8217;Neill has put his finger on the reason: Bhagwati believes that PTAs foster protectionism and he won&#8217;t shed any tears for Nafta. If so he is being reasonably consistent, but Henry will need to examine the issues closely if the <span class="caps">BBPI</span> is not to mislead him.</p>

	<p>Bhagwati is quite a snob though, isn&#8217;t he? As if the managers of a political campaign would boast about having a highly reputable professional economist on their team. Even when they actually do have one they usually go out of their way to disown the poor sod. Quite right too &#8211; Lloyd George had Keynes on his side in 1929 and what did he get? A memorable pamphlet. And look what Alan Walters did for Mrs Thatcher. These guys are ballot-box poison.</p>
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		<title>By: notsneaky</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/04/introducing-the-bbpi/comment-page-1/#comment-230814</link>
		<dc:creator>notsneaky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that Bhagwati is simply assuming that your general anti-Nafta rhetoric is positively correlated with general protectionist feelings. Which makes more sense than assuming that general anti-Nafta rhetoric is a symptom of a nuanced view which sees bilateral trade agreements as bad but is in favor of multilateral ones. Seriously. Give a guy a break. I don&#039;t see anything crazy in that op-ed. He wants to argue that Obama will be less protectionists than Hillary and he does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I believe that Bhagwati is simply assuming that your general anti-Nafta rhetoric is positively correlated with general protectionist feelings. Which makes more sense than assuming that general anti-Nafta rhetoric is a symptom of a nuanced view which sees bilateral trade agreements as bad but is in favor of multilateral ones. Seriously. Give a guy a break. I don&#8217;t see anything crazy in that op-ed. He wants to argue that Obama will be less protectionists than Hillary and he does.</p>
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		<title>By: P O'Neill</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/04/introducing-the-bbpi/comment-page-1/#comment-230813</link>
		<dc:creator>P O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s important that the BBPI controls for inconsistency in the underlying rhetoric over time.  For example, part of Bhagwati&#039;s evidence that Democrats have shifted to protectionist is that they tend to vote against free trade agreements such as NAFTA and the later bilateral and regional deals that have come before Congress.  

Could this be the same Jagdish Bhagwati &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wto.org/english/news_e/news07_e/bhagwati_oct07_e.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;who has slammed&lt;/a&gt; such deals as &quot;termites in the trade system&quot;, since (as that incarnation of Bhagwati correctly points out) they are actually preferential trade deals that give special benefits to some countries and thus divert trade from the most efficient partner?

One of his arguments for why Hillary is more protectionist than Obama is so weak --

&lt;em&gt;Fourth, while Mr Obama’s anti-Nafta rhetoric is disturbingly protectionist, as is Mrs Clinton’s, remember that this is also strategic. If both are anti-Nafta in the campaign now, her opposition is reinforced because she carries the burden of having supported her husband in backing it. &lt;/em&gt;

Since Bill supported it, she has to be more against it?  Isn&#039;t the usual complaint about Bill and Hillary that it will be Bill running the show?

It will be truly miraculous if the BBPI can surive the volatility in its underlying driver.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It&#8217;s important that the <span class="caps">BBPI</span> controls for inconsistency in the underlying rhetoric over time.  For example, part of Bhagwati&#8217;s evidence that Democrats have shifted to protectionist is that they tend to vote against free trade agreements such as <span class="caps">NAFTA</span> and the later bilateral and regional deals that have come before Congress.</p>

	<p>Could this be the same Jagdish Bhagwati <a href="http://www.wto.org/english/news_e/news07_e/bhagwati_oct07_e.htm" rel="nofollow">who has slammed</a> such deals as &#8220;termites in the trade system&#8221;, since (as that incarnation of Bhagwati correctly points out) they are actually preferential trade deals that give special benefits to some countries and thus divert trade from the most efficient partner?</p>

	<p>One of his arguments for why Hillary is more protectionist than Obama is so weak&#8212;<br />
<em>Fourth, while Mr Obama&#8217;s anti-Nafta rhetoric is disturbingly protectionist, as is Mrs Clinton&#8217;s, remember that this is also strategic. If both are anti-Nafta in the campaign now, her opposition is reinforced because she carries the burden of having supported her husband in backing it. </em></p>

	<p>Since Bill supported it, she has to be more against it?  Isn&#8217;t the usual complaint about Bill and Hillary that it will be Bill running the show?</p>

	<p>It will be truly miraculous if the <span class="caps">BBPI</span> can surive the volatility in its underlying driver.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Renn</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/04/introducing-the-bbpi/comment-page-1/#comment-230811</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Renn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 19:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;of whom Bhagwhati approves.&quot;

Ask not for whom the Bhagwhati tolls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;of whom Bhagwhati approves.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Ask not for whom the Bhagwhati tolls.</p>
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		<title>By: notsneaky</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/04/introducing-the-bbpi/comment-page-1/#comment-230809</link>
		<dc:creator>notsneaky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 19:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dunno. This seems only slightly better than that &quot;Paul Krugman kicks his cat&quot; index that Jonah Goldberg came up with. Same thing. Same amount of substance. Different ends of the political spectrum.

And yes, when it comes to trade policy, the EPI does suffer a serious credibility gap. Just ask the former student, Paul Krugman, who&#039;s taken them to task on it several times in the past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I dunno. This seems only slightly better than that &#8220;Paul Krugman kicks his cat&#8221; index that Jonah Goldberg came up with. Same thing. Same amount of substance. Different ends of the political spectrum.</p>

	<p>And yes, when it comes to trade policy, the <span class="caps">EPI</span> does suffer a serious credibility gap. Just ask the former student, Paul Krugman, who&#8217;s taken them to task on it several times in the past.</p>
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		<title>By: Walt</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/04/introducing-the-bbpi/comment-page-1/#comment-230806</link>
		<dc:creator>Walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s very funny, Henry.  Having been subject to Bhagwati editorials over the years, I think I&#039;ve already been subconsciously using your index.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>That&#8217;s very funny, Henry.  Having been subject to Bhagwati editorials over the years, I think I&#8217;ve already been subconsciously using your index.</p>
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		<title>By: a. y. mous</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/04/introducing-the-bbpi/comment-page-1/#comment-230803</link>
		<dc:creator>a. y. mous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL! Bubba, I am far too tone deaf to even know those names! No. A. Y. stands for something much too mundane, in keeping with the anonymous nature of this mode of communication. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span class="caps">LOL</span>! Bubba, I am far too tone deaf to even know those names! No. A. Y. stands for something much too mundane, in keeping with the anonymous nature of this mode of communication. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/04/introducing-the-bbpi/comment-page-1/#comment-230802</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 17:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Some of the things that are most interesting to international political economy scholars such as meself are notoriously difficult to measure.&lt;/i&gt;
To that point, everyone using data should read Oskar Morgenstern&#039;s &quot;On the Accuracy of Economic Observations&quot; (1963, 2nd ed.) which masterfully puts one in the right frame of mind when using such numbers. No doubt many of the data series he discusses are better than they used to be, but nothing he says is dated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Some of the things that are most interesting to international political economy scholars such as meself are notoriously difficult to measure.</i><br />
To that point, everyone using data should read Oskar Morgenstern&#8217;s &#8220;On the Accuracy of Economic Observations&#8221; (1963, 2nd ed.) which masterfully puts one in the right frame of mind when using such numbers. No doubt many of the data series he discusses are better than they used to be, but nothing he says is dated.</p>
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		<title>By: Righteous Bubba</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/04/introducing-the-bbpi/comment-page-1/#comment-230800</link>
		<dc:creator>Righteous Bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 17:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m guessing A.Y. stands for Adonis Yolanda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m guessing A.Y. stands for Adonis Yolanda.</p>
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