Comments on: Free Public Choice http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/12/free-public-choice/ Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:43:49 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: *Public Choice*, on the web at 中国股票快车中国股票快车中国股票快车中国股票快车 http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/12/free-public-choice/comment-page-1/#comment-232905 *Public Choice*, on the web at 中国股票快车中国股票快车中国股票快车中国股票快车 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 05:58:39 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/12/free-public-choice/#comment-232905 [...] journal that is, and for free.  Really.  Until April.  Here.  The pointer is from Henry Farrell, who notes that the January 2008 issue contains a symposium on blogging which he co-edited with Dan [...] [...] journal that is, and for free.  Really.  Until April.  Here.  The pointer is from Henry Farrell, who notes that the January 2008 issue contains a symposium on blogging which he co-edited with Dan [...]

]]> By: The Road to Surfdom » Blog Archive » Ephemera http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/12/free-public-choice/comment-page-1/#comment-232568 The Road to Surfdom » Blog Archive » Ephemera Sat, 15 Mar 2008 06:26:20 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/12/free-public-choice/#comment-232568 [...] Henry Farrell at Crooked Timber writes: One of the more annoying aspects of academic publishing is that articles are usually behind a paywall and thus effectively unavailable to people without an institutional affiliation. I’ve felt this especially keenly with respect to the Public Choice special issue on blogging that Dan Drezner and I co-edited. …The good news, via my colleague Eric Lawrence, is that Springer Verlag are making Public Choice available for free to everyone via the WWW until the end of April, as a promotional exercise. So if you want to read my or (more likely) the other contributors’ thoughts on blogging, click on this link and click through to the January 2008 issue. For a limited time only, as they say in the business. [...] [...] Henry Farrell at Crooked Timber writes: One of the more annoying aspects of academic publishing is that articles are usually behind a paywall and thus effectively unavailable to people without an institutional affiliation. I’ve felt this especially keenly with respect to the Public Choice special issue on blogging that Dan Drezner and I co-edited. …The good news, via my colleague Eric Lawrence, is that Springer Verlag are making Public Choice available for free to everyone via the WWW until the end of April, as a promotional exercise. So if you want to read my or (more likely) the other contributors’ thoughts on blogging, click on this link and click through to the January 2008 issue. For a limited time only, as they say in the business. [...]

]]> By: Blogger on the Cast Iron Balcony » Blog Archive » Ephemera http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/12/free-public-choice/comment-page-1/#comment-232564 Blogger on the Cast Iron Balcony » Blog Archive » Ephemera Sat, 15 Mar 2008 04:54:58 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/12/free-public-choice/#comment-232564 [...] Henry Farrell at Crooked Timber writes: One of the more annoying aspects of academic publishing is that articles are usually behind a paywall and thus effectively unavailable to people without an institutional affiliation. I’ve felt this especially keenly with respect to the Public Choice special issue on blogging that Dan Drezner and I co-edited. …The good news, via my colleague Eric Lawrence, is that Springer Verlag are making Public Choice available for free to everyone via the WWW until the end of April, as a promotional exercise. So if you want to read my or (more likely) the other contributors’ thoughts on blogging, click on this link and click through to the January 2008 issue. For a limited time only, as they say in the business. [...] [...] Henry Farrell at Crooked Timber writes: One of the more annoying aspects of academic publishing is that articles are usually behind a paywall and thus effectively unavailable to people without an institutional affiliation. I’ve felt this especially keenly with respect to the Public Choice special issue on blogging that Dan Drezner and I co-edited. …The good news, via my colleague Eric Lawrence, is that Springer Verlag are making Public Choice available for free to everyone via the WWW until the end of April, as a promotional exercise. So if you want to read my or (more likely) the other contributors’ thoughts on blogging, click on this link and click through to the January 2008 issue. For a limited time only, as they say in the business. [...]

]]> By: David http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/12/free-public-choice/comment-page-1/#comment-232541 David Sat, 15 Mar 2008 01:01:37 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/12/free-public-choice/#comment-232541 Sadly, I must dispute Randolph Fritz's rosy assessment of access in the Pacific NW. My masters thesis concerned Internet access for poor, homeless and otherwise economically marginalized people. To my distress, starting in about 2004 the UW library began to severely and quietly restrict non-student computer access in the libraries. Whereas before, anyone could walk in and use any library computer for full Internet and holdings access, there are now only a small handful of older machines available with highly restricted Internet access. Access to journals is still available from these machines but unless you are using a newer student/faculty only machine (UW NetID required) you can't actually save, print or acquire articles. One of the reasons I'm clinging to my NetID as long as possible is for the off-campus computer access to the restricted databases. As for the public libraries offering access to any meaningful range of journals, that sure is news to me. The SPL (Seattle Public Library system), a true city treasure in most respects, dropped the vast majority of its journal subscriptions starting at least a decade or more ago due to costs. There is simply no substitute for a major institution's collection and access privileges. The only reason the UW library is as open as it is is because it is designated a Federal Repository Library. That is, we pay for it. d Sadly, I must dispute Randolph Fritz’s rosy assessment of access in the Pacific NW. My masters thesis concerned Internet access for poor, homeless and otherwise economically marginalized people. To my distress, starting in about 2004 the UW library began to severely and quietly restrict non-student computer access in the libraries. Whereas before, anyone could walk in and use any library computer for full Internet and holdings access, there are now only a small handful of older machines available with highly restricted Internet access. Access to journals is still available from these machines but unless you are using a newer student/faculty only machine (UW NetID required) you can’t actually save, print or acquire articles. One of the reasons I’m clinging to my NetID as long as possible is for the off-campus computer access to the restricted databases.

As for the public libraries offering access to any meaningful range of journals, that sure is news to me. The SPL (Seattle Public Library system), a true city treasure in most respects, dropped the vast majority of its journal subscriptions starting at least a decade or more ago due to costs. There is simply no substitute for a major institution’s collection and access privileges. The only reason the UW library is as open as it is is because it is designated a Federal Repository Library. That is, we pay for it.

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]]> By: Wobbler http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/12/free-public-choice/comment-page-1/#comment-232393 Wobbler Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:02:31 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/12/free-public-choice/#comment-232393 Reply to #5 On publishing economics and Open Access, I've found <a href="http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/284-Primer-on-Peer-Review,-Payment-and-Publishing.html" rel="nofollow">this post by Stevan Harnad</a> to be very informative. (To summarize) (1) Peer-Reviewed Journal-Article Authors Give Journals Their Articles for Free: No Royalties. (2) Peers Review for Free. (3) Publisher Revenues from Institutional Subscriptions Are Currently Paying the Full Cost of Managing the Peer Review, Several Times Over. (4) If Institutional Subscriptions Are Ever Cancelled, Peer Review Management Costs Will Be Paid Out of the Institutional Subscription Cancellation Savings. Reply to #5

On publishing economics and Open Access, I’ve found this post by Stevan Harnad to be very informative.

(To summarize)
(1) Peer-Reviewed Journal-Article Authors Give Journals Their Articles for Free: No Royalties.
(2) Peers Review for Free.
(3) Publisher Revenues from Institutional Subscriptions Are Currently Paying the Full Cost of Managing the Peer Review, Several Times Over.
(4) If Institutional Subscriptions Are Ever Cancelled, Peer Review Management Costs Will Be Paid Out of the Institutional Subscription Cancellation Savings.

]]> By: Crooked Timber » » Academic journals: thinking from the ‘South’ http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/12/free-public-choice/comment-page-1/#comment-232373 Crooked Timber » » Academic journals: thinking from the ‘South’ Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:06:35 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/12/free-public-choice/#comment-232373 [...] been reading with great interest Henry’s posts on Open Access publishing in academia, and want to add a thought by considering this issue [...] [...] been reading with great interest Henry’s posts on Open Access publishing in academia, and want to add a thought by considering this issue [...]

]]> By: Henry http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/12/free-public-choice/comment-page-1/#comment-232369 Henry Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:32:21 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/12/free-public-choice/#comment-232369 <blockquote>Really? This data got published as something other than an historical artifact?</blockquote> Let's just say that for a variety of reasons there was a wee bit of a delay between the gestation of the article (see "here":http://crookedtimber.org/2004/07/21/blog-paper/ for its first version, and "here":http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2004/07/how_do_politica.html for some nice words by Tyler) and its final publication ...
Really? This data got published as something other than an historical artifact?

Let’s just say that for a variety of reasons there was a wee bit of a delay between the gestation of the article (see here for its first version, and here for some nice words by Tyler) and its final publication …

]]> By: DHinMI http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/12/free-public-choice/comment-page-1/#comment-232359 DHinMI Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:59:58 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/12/free-public-choice/#comment-232359 From the article: <blockquote>These hypotheses receive tentative support from an online survey conducted by the authors between September 2003 and January 2004, in which media employees were asked to provide information about the blogs that they read.</blockquote> Really? This data got published as something other than an historical artifact? I suppose someone could argue that nobody gets their news from the internet, and cite survey findings from 1983. I also suspect that was the last time that co-author Daniel Drezner ever showed up in a list of most-read or most-cited bloggers. From the article:

These hypotheses receive tentative support from an online survey conducted by the authors between September 2003 and January 2004, in which media employees were asked to provide information about the blogs that they read.

Really? This data got published as something other than an historical artifact?

I suppose someone could argue that nobody gets their news from the internet, and cite survey findings from 1983.

I also suspect that was the last time that co-author Daniel Drezner ever showed up in a list of most-read or most-cited bloggers.

]]> By: JJ http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/12/free-public-choice/comment-page-1/#comment-232306 JJ Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:16:21 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/12/free-public-choice/#comment-232306 I didn't know PC was being held captive. I didn’t know PC was being held captive.

]]> By: Chris Williams http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/12/free-public-choice/comment-page-1/#comment-232258 Chris Williams Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:19:52 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/12/free-public-choice/#comment-232258 'laban', the answer is yes. Sign up to an OU course and you get the benefit of an exceptionally good set of subscriptions. £99 will buy you access to them for around five months. Search for course codes Y156-Y161. Who knows, you may even learn something: although in my experience people who encounter education (of any kind) looking for information to confirm their prejudices (of any kind) tend to not get as much out of it as they might. NB - those courses are UK/BFPO only. Next best bet for the rest of you is probably one of the A17x courses, which last three months but cost £300 in Ireland, £325 elsewhere. Interest to declare - I work for the OU. Douglas Knight - no, I leave the systematic study of open access journals to any information studies specialists who want to do this. I'm just a user with enough to do already, so I only really notice journals in my field. ‘laban’, the answer is yes. Sign up to an OU course and you get the benefit of an exceptionally good set of subscriptions. £99 will buy you access to them for around five months. Search for course codes Y156-Y161. Who knows, you may even learn something: although in my experience people who encounter education (of any kind) looking for information to confirm their prejudices (of any kind) tend to not get as much out of it as they might.

NB - those courses are UK/BFPO only. Next best bet for the rest of you is probably one of the A17x courses, which last three months but cost £300 in Ireland, £325 elsewhere.

Interest to declare – I work for the OU.

Douglas Knight – no, I leave the systematic study of open access journals to any information studies specialists who want to do this. I’m just a user with enough to do already, so I only really notice journals in my field.

]]> By: Randolph Fritz http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/12/free-public-choice/comment-page-1/#comment-232249 Randolph Fritz Thu, 13 Mar 2008 07:01:35 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/12/free-public-choice/#comment-232249 Laban, at least in Seattle and Portland, we can walk into our public libraries, ask at the reference desks and get copies of most things that are available at the university libraries. Have you tried that? Laban, at least in Seattle and Portland, we can walk into our public libraries, ask at the reference desks and get copies of most things that are available at the university libraries. Have you tried that?

]]> By: Douglas Knight http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/12/free-public-choice/comment-page-1/#comment-232235 Douglas Knight Thu, 13 Mar 2008 04:52:36 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/12/free-public-choice/#comment-232235 Chris Williams, have you studied the history of other web-only journals? I've heard of several that discovered that papers published in them didn't count in the eyes of many deans, gave up and went to print (though still open-access, I think). Chris Williams,
have you studied the history of other web-only journals? I’ve heard of several that discovered that papers published in them didn’t count in the eyes of many deans, gave up and went to print (though still open-access, I think).

]]> By: antirealist http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/12/free-public-choice/comment-page-1/#comment-232225 antirealist Thu, 13 Mar 2008 03:33:53 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/12/free-public-choice/#comment-232225 AFAICT, that JSTOR list is not a list of free journals, just of journals that allow people without institutional affiliation to access articles for a fee. AFAICT, that JSTOR list is not a list of free journals, just of journals that allow people without institutional affiliation to access articles for a fee.

]]> By: Randolph Fritz http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/12/free-public-choice/comment-page-1/#comment-232198 Randolph Fritz Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:53:38 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/12/free-public-choice/#comment-232198 At least in the Northwest, you can walk into a public university library and use their computers; it seems to me that, even with the paywalls, more journals are available to more people than ever before. Doesn't mean it wouldn't be worthwhile to make them truly public, but the people who do the editorial and publishing work have to be paid somehow. At least in the Northwest, you can walk into a public university library and use their computers; it seems to me that, even with the paywalls, more journals are available to more people than ever before. Doesn’t mean it wouldn’t be worthwhile to make them truly public, but the people who do the editorial and publishing work have to be paid somehow.

]]> By: Laban Tall http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/12/free-public-choice/comment-page-1/#comment-232197 Laban Tall Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:52:35 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/12/free-public-choice/#comment-232197 I'm another one who wants to read stuff that's behind JSTOR or similar - but the Athens gateway doesn't accept subscriptions from individuals. What do I do ? As I'm interested in history, a lot of the authors are dead so I can't mail them. Do I have to sign up to an OU course to get Athens ? If anyone can get me The Spanish Armada and the Ottoman Porte Edwarde Barton, Edwin Pears The English Historical Review, Vol. 8, No. 31 (Jul., 1893), pp. 439-466 I'd be most grateful. One can but ask. I’m another one who wants to read stuff that’s behind JSTOR or similar – but the Athens gateway doesn’t accept subscriptions from individuals. What do I do ? As I’m interested in history, a lot of the authors are dead so I can’t mail them. Do I have to sign up to an OU course to get Athens ?

If anyone can get me

The Spanish Armada and the Ottoman Porte
Edwarde Barton, Edwin Pears
The English Historical Review, Vol. 8, No. 31 (Jul., 1893), pp. 439-466

I’d be most grateful. One can but ask.

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